Women in Christian politics

[AlpsStranger]

We must enforce our superior morals on these people whose primary crime is forcing their morals on people because it's immoral to enforce morality or wait, where was I? The point is that only immoral people enforce their morality so we must enforce our superior amoral morality on these immoral moralists.

This is why I'm glad I don't have kids. If I were a father I would feel obligated to try and untangle all of this mess. Instead I can watch it burn while I read books and play vidya games until the Chinese make us obsolete.

 

[MobBoss]

In what, exactly, would this intrinsic difference manifest itself? In what way is the female brain hardwired differently from that of the male brain?

Well, for starters, the chemistry is slightly different.

But here's a pretty good article on it:

http://www.webmd.com/balance/features/how-male-female-brains-differ

 

[Flying Pig]

Yes, but environmental factors mean that, with very few extremely obvious exceptions, you cannot generalise about the relative characteristics of any given man and any given woman purely from their sexes. The average man may be taller than the average woman, but that in no way means that Jack is taller than Jill. And so on.

 

[MobBoss]

Yes, but environmental factors mean that, with very few extremely obvious exceptions, you cannot generalise about the relative characteristics of any given man and any given woman purely from their sexes. The average man may be taller than the average woman, but that in no way means that Jack is taller than Jill. And so on.

Of course you can generalize. There are always exceptions to the rule, but that doesnt completely disprove the generalization. Nor should it.

 

[Flying Pig]

No, but it does mean that making any judgement concerning individuals - as opposed to mass populations - on the basis of that generalisation is totally unacceptable. Hence why we don't allow people to use that generalisation when deciding who to hire for a job, for example.

 

[AlpsStranger]

Hence why we don't allow people to use that generalisation when deciding who to hire for a job, for example.

We don't explicitly allow it, but we allow plenty of wiggle room for it.

 

[JollyRoger]

The Bible seems to represent a relationship between God and worshipper as God being masculine and the worshipper being feminine. Christian women keeping to their feminine role provides a good demonstration of how Christian men should be behaving in relation to their God. Not being a believer myself, the whole set-up seems like it could partially be an outlet for homoerotic steam.

 

[MobBoss]

No, but it does mean that making any judgement concerning individuals - as opposed to mass populations - on the basis of that generalisation is totally unacceptable. Hence why we don't allow people to use that generalisation when deciding who to hire for a job, for example.

Actually, that depends on the job. There are jobs that have height requirements/strength requirements as discriminators.

 

[Flying Pig]

Yes, and in those cases height and strength, rather than gender, should be used to decide between potential applicants. If Jack cannot lift the weight, but Jill can, she is the better candidate.

 

[MagisterCultuum]

Yes, but you shouldn't choose a weak male midget over a strong tall woman for a job that requires height and strength just because men are taller and physically stronger on average.

 

[classical_hero]

At least they're being consistent. I often wondered why conservative Christians so often emphasize prohibitions against homosexuality while ignoring the limitations set on women in the Bible. I'm more familiar with American Evangelical Christians and some of the ultra conservatives may have rules like this but honestly you don't see too many evangelical Christians saying things like, Sarah Pailin shouldn't be in politics because she's a woman. It just seems ridiculously old fashioned.

Forcing this political party to admit women seems pointless because - the women who would support this party's policies would probably not want to be in office and those who don't would not want anything to do with them.

There is only one prohibition in the Bible for women, and that is a position of Authority in the church, otherwise women could do anything the men could do.

 

[Old Hippy]

so the bible was written by men, I gather...

 

[AlpsStranger]

There is only one prohibition in the Bible for women, and that is a position of Authority in the church, otherwise women could do anything the men could do.

That's a very generous, modern interpretation that doesn't really flow organically from a Christian-dominated worldview.

 

[Birdjaguar]

And that same religion not allowing men to do certain things is decidedly anti man, then? Is having defined roles for genders necessarily being anti that gender?

It is not just about gender roles and jobs, but about using gender to systematically keep women from participating in cultural and political leadership within a community. Or about forcing women to adhere to very different standards of behavior not required for men.

For example, banning women from attending, seeing, watching, hearing or otherwise participating in tribal council meetings while any man over 18 drunk or sober can attend and rant away. Or, allowing men to bring any outside women into the village to live, but banning women from the community who would do the same.

 

[Borachio]

But wait. If women do indeed have better language and interpersonal skills than men (and I've yet to see any demonstration of it in my own experience), then surely politics would be the ideal occupation for them.


Link to video.

 

[AlpsStranger]

If women do indeed have better language and interpersonal skills than men.

Not quite. I would say that women have different interpersonal skills than men.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Actually, that depends on the job. There are jobs that have height requirements/strength requirements as discriminators.

So how exactly is that relevant to this thread in the least? What sexual attributes would make women less qualified to be politicians?

 

[ace99]

I like that this thread is men discussing what women should be allowed to do.

JUST LIKE THE GOOD OLD DAYS!

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Women should post moar.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Probably not. I just sort of find it odd that this is an issue that comes up. Since it has, it's admittedly a tricky one. My gut says that they should have to comply with anti-discrimination laws though.

Anti-discrimination laws are immoral and BS. Its a form of forced, coercive association. All of them should be abolished.