Wonder Elimination Thread

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by MantaRevan, Oct 12, 2013.

  1. bbbt

    bbbt Deity

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    Big Ben - 1Another strike against Big Ben. Comes later than idea.
    Borobudur -14
    Broadway - 18
    Chichen Itza - 25
    Colossus - 23All and all, far more of a financial boost that Big Ben ends up being
    Eiffel Tower - 31
    Forbidden Palace- 27
    Hanging Gardens- 23
    Leaning Tower of Pisa- 32
    Louvre- 22
    Machu Picchu- 21
    Neuschwanstein - 28
    Notre Dame- 23
    Oracle- 28
    Petra- 24
    Porcelain Tower - 20
    Prora- 23
    Sistine Chapel - 29
    Statue Of Liberty- 27
    Stonehenge- 20
    Temple of Artemis - 16
    Uffizi - 15
     
  2. Krajzen

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    Goodbye Big Ben

    Borobudur -14
    Broadway - 18
    Chichen Itza - 25
    Colossus - 23
    Eiffel Tower - 31
    Forbidden Palace- 27
    Hanging Gardens- 23
    Leaning Tower of Pisa- 32
    Louvre- 23 Each additional great work slot is important, and Louvre bonus is pretty cool ;)
    Machu Picchu- 21
    Neuschwanstein - 28
    Notre Dame- 23
    Oracle- 28
    Petra- 24
    Porcelain Tower - 20
    Prora- 23
    Sistine Chapel - 29
    Statue Of Liberty- 27
    Stonehenge- 20
    Temple of Artemis - 16
    Uffizi - 15
     
  3. Memoryjar

    Memoryjar Emperor

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    Borobudur -14
    Broadway - 18
    Chichen Itza - 25
    Colossus - 23 - 3 = 20 : It's a match between Petra, Borobur and Colossus. Great effect, but situationnal. You need a coastal city and hammers. Hard at start, and there's Oracle to build.
    Eiffel Tower - 31
    Forbidden Palace- 27
    Hanging Gardens- 23
    Leaning Tower of Pisa- 32
    Louvre- 23
    Machu Picchu- 21
    Neuschwanstein - 28
    Notre Dame- 23
    Oracle- 28 + 1 = 29 : No Oracle, no viable culture. Sometimes i gamble building another wonder before Oracle. When AI finish Oracle, before me, i say «F**k, my bad». And one free doctrine.
    Petra- 24
    Porcelain Tower - 20
    Prora- 23
    Sistine Chapel - 29
    Statue Of Liberty- 27
    Stonehenge- 20
    Temple of Artemis - 16
    Uffizi - 15
     
  4. Amarr Emperor

    Amarr Emperor Chieftain

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    Borobudur -14
    Broadway - 18
    Chichen Itza - 25
    Colossus - 20
    Eiffel Tower - 31
    Forbidden Palace- 27
    Hanging Gardens- 23
    Leaning Tower of Pisa- 32
    Louvre- 23
    Machu Picchu- 21
    Neuschwanstein - 28
    Notre Dame- 23
    Oracle- 29
    Petra- 24
    Porcelain Tower - 20
    Prora- 20
    Sistine Chapel - 29
    Statue Of Liberty- 28
    Stonehenge- 20
    Temple of Artemis - 16
    Uffizi - 15

    This host needs to be more responsible and update the kill-logs in the first page.
     
  5. bbbt

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    Borobudur -14
    Broadway - 18
    Chichen Itza - 25
    Colossus - 20
    Eiffel Tower - 31
    Forbidden Palace- 27
    Hanging Gardens- 23
    Leaning Tower of Pisa- 32
    Louvre- 23
    Machu Picchu- 21
    Neuschwanstein - 28
    Notre Dame- 23
    Oracle- 26
    Petra- 24
    Porcelain Tower - 20
    Prora- 20
    Sistine Chapel - 29
    Statue Of Liberty- 28
    Stonehenge- 20
    Temple of Artemis - 17
    Uffizi - 15

    It's difficult, I'd be happy to build any of the wonders.

    However, of the remaining ones, I feel the Oracle, while nice, has the least impact - it's one free policy and that's it. And while it's easier to get than other wonders on higher levels, it's still not that easy to get, especially if you build the NC first (and, for that matter, it's only considered easier because humans tend to beeline for philosophy).

    The Temple of Artemis OTOH, is the gift that keeps on giving, food and growth wise.
     
  6. sendos

    sendos Immortal

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    Borobudur -14
    Broadway - 18
    Chichen Itza - 25
    Colossus - 21 - free trade route, can't refuse that.
    Eiffel Tower - 31
    Forbidden Palace- 27
    Hanging Gardens- 23
    Leaning Tower of Pisa- 32
    Louvre- 23
    Machu Picchu- 21
    Neuschwanstein - 28
    Notre Dame- 23
    Oracle- 23 If you're going down the piety tree, this wonder would help. Otherwise it's not that crucial.
    Petra- 24
    Porcelain Tower - 20
    Prora- 20
    Sistine Chapel - 29
    Statue Of Liberty- 28
    Stonehenge- 20
    Temple of Artemis - 17
    Uffizi - 15
     
  7. jlim201

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    Borobudur -14
    Broadway - 18
    Chichen Itza - 25
    Colossus - 21
    Eiffel Tower - 31
    Forbidden Palace- 27
    Hanging Gardens- 23
    Leaning Tower of Pisa- 32
    Louvre- 23
    Machu Picchu- 21
    Neuschwanstein - 28
    Notre Dame- 23
    Oracle- 23
    Petra- 24
    Porcelain Tower - 20
    Prora- 17- The main issue is that it comes with Autocracy, which is good for warmongerers, which generally have less social policies.
    Sistine Chapel - 30- Almost necessary now that early culture buildings have been nerfed.
    Statue Of Liberty- 28
    Stonehenge- 20
    Temple of Artemis - 17
    Uffizi - 15
     
  8. GoStu

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    Borobudur -15
    Broadway - 15
    Chichen Itza - 25
    Colossus - 21
    Eiffel Tower - 31
    Forbidden Palace- 27
    Hanging Gardens- 23
    Leaning Tower of Pisa- 32
    Louvre- 23
    Machu Picchu- 21
    Neuschwanstein - 28
    Notre Dame- 23
    Oracle- 19
    Petra- 24
    Porcelain Tower - 20
    Prora- 17
    Sistine Chapel - 30
    Statue Of Liberty- 28
    Stonehenge- 20
    Temple of Artemis - 17
    Uffizi - 15

    Upvote to Borobudur. It's three missionaries very early, while I'm often waiting for that Enhancing Prophet. It makes your religion a presence in the neighborhood for sure, while everyone else is trying to figure out the rest of their beliefs.

    Downvote to Broadway. Is it nice? Sure, but it's only slightly better than the recently eliminated Globe Theatre. Someone ought to look at those two wonders and maybe throw another free GP or Work in with them.
     
  9. FstrthnU

    FstrthnU Chieftain

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    Borobudur -15
    Broadway - 15
    Chichen Itza - 25
    Colossus - 21
    Eiffel Tower - 31
    Forbidden Palace- 27
    Hanging Gardens- 23
    Leaning Tower of Pisa- 33
    Louvre- 23
    Machu Picchu- 21
    Neuschwanstein - 25
    Notre Dame- 23
    Oracle- 19
    Petra- 24
    Porcelain Tower - 20
    Prora- 17
    Sistine Chapel - 30
    Statue Of Liberty- 28
    Stonehenge- 20
    Temple of Artemis - 17
    Uffizi - 15

    Leaning Tower of Pisa really helps every victory condition, increased GP growth and a free GP is extremely versatile. You can probably bag another one of the wonders up here if you pick a Great Engineer

    I find that Neuschwanstein (as well as Macchu Pichu) are too situational for most games. They force you to settle a city within 2 tiles of a mountain, which isn't always optimal (unless you're the Inca). Neuschwanstein is powerful, but difficult to construct.
     
  10. redwings1340

    redwings1340 Emperor

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    Borobudur -15
    Broadway - 15
    Chichen Itza - 25
    Colossus - 21
    Eiffel Tower - 31
    Forbidden Palace- 27
    Hanging Gardens- 23
    Leaning Tower of Pisa- 33
    Louvre- 23
    Machu Picchu- 21
    Neuschwanstein - 25
    Notre Dame- 23
    Oracle- 19
    Petra- 24
    Porcelain Tower - 20
    Prora- 17
    Sistine Chapel - 30
    Statue Of Liberty- 29 One of the biggest late game wonders that just lets the tech leader get a lot further ahead! Powerful with very little opportunity cost. Also works great with freedom and all the specialist bonuses you've already gotten from these policies.
    Stonehenge- 20
    Temple of Artemis - 17
    Uffizi - 12 Definitely the wonder I care about the least among these options.
     
  11. limluigi

    limluigi Chieftain

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    Borobudur -12- At this point in the game, you'll probably worry more about founding or adding to your religion. The other two faith-based wonders help with that but this one just gives you free missionaries, that has effects which could easily be overridden by other civs missionaries later on in the game when they go crazy with religious expansion.
    Broadway - 15
    Chichen Itza - 25
    Colossus - 21
    Eiffel Tower - 31
    Forbidden Palace- 27
    Hanging Gardens- 23
    Leaning Tower of Pisa- 33
    Louvre- 23
    Machu Picchu- 21
    Neuschwanstein - 26 Nice happiness boost and it really helps with wide empires. Mot likely if you have a mountain tile then you'll be the one to get this especially if only 1 or 2 civs has a mountain tile near theirs.
    Notre Dame- 23
    Oracle- 19
    Petra- 24
    Porcelain Tower - 20
    Prora- 17
    Sistine Chapel - 30
    Statue Of Liberty- 29
    Stonehenge- 20
    Temple of Artemis - 17
    Uffizi - 12
     
  12. jlim201

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    Reviving the Thread

    Borobudur -9- Why do you even need it? Hagia Sophia is so much better. It has 4 religion spreads with a guy that dosent get weakened. This is 6 with guys that get weaker.
    Broadway - 15
    Chichen Itza - 25
    Colossus - 22- Gold is now crucial early game with gold removed from river/sea tiles.
    Eiffel Tower - 31
    Forbidden Palace- 27
    Hanging Gardens- 23
    Leaning Tower of Pisa- 33
    Louvre- 23
    Machu Picchu- 21
    Neuschwanstein - 26
    Notre Dame- 23
    Oracle- 19
    Petra- 24
    Porcelain Tower - 20
    Prora- 17
    Sistine Chapel - 30
    Statue Of Liberty- 29
    Stonehenge- 20
    Temple of Artemis - 17
    Uffizi - 12
     
  13. Ninakoru

    Ninakoru A deity on Emperor

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    Borobudur -9
    Broadway - 15
    Chichen Itza - 25
    Colossus - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 31
    Forbidden Palace- 27
    Hanging Gardens- 23
    Leaning Tower of Pisa- 33
    Louvre- 23
    Machu Picchu- 21
    Neuschwanstein - 27 Great bonus per city and easy to get.
    Notre Dame- 23
    Oracle- 19
    Petra- 24
    Porcelain Tower - 20
    Prora- 17
    Sistine Chapel - 30
    Statue Of Liberty- 29
    Stonehenge- 20
    Temple of Artemis - 14 Comes too early, the bonus is nice but not worth the trouble.
    Uffizi - 12
     
  14. Guandao

    Guandao Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka

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    Borobudur -9-3=6 missionaries are nothing compared to a prophet
    Broadway - 15
    Chichen Itza - 25+1=26, a must rush wonder for me, happiness and longer golden ages:D
    Colossus - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 31
    Forbidden Palace- 27
    Hanging Gardens- 23
    Leaning Tower of Pisa- 33
    Louvre- 23
    Machu Picchu- 21
    Neuschwanstein - 27
    Notre Dame- 23
    Oracle- 19
    Petra- 24
    Porcelain Tower - 20
    Prora- 17
    Sistine Chapel - 30
    Statue Of Liberty- 29
    Stonehenge- 20
    Temple of Artemis - 14
    Uffizi - 12
     
  15. Guandao

    Guandao Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka

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    Borobudur -6
    Broadway - 15
    Chichen Itza - 26
    Colossus - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 31
    Forbidden Palace- 27
    Hanging Gardens- 23
    Leaning Tower of Pisa- 33
    Louvre- 23
    Machu Picchu- 21
    Neuschwanstein - 27
    Notre Dame- 23+1=24, this happiness wonder is worth it if you are losing some happiness points, plus faith is a good thing to have
    Oracle- 19
    Petra- 24
    Porcelain Tower - 20
    Prora- 17-3=14, going autocracy is not worth it just to get this wonder, unless you're a huge warmonger and need more happiness
    Sistine Chapel - 30
    Statue Of Liberty- 29
    Stonehenge- 20
    Temple of Artemis - 14
    Uffizi - 12
     
  16. GoStu

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    Borobudur -6
    Broadway - 15
    Chichen Itza - 26
    Colossus - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 31
    Forbidden Palace- 27
    Hanging Gardens- 23
    Leaning Tower of Pisa- 33
    Louvre- 23
    Machu Picchu- 21
    Neuschwanstein - 27 + 1 = 28
    Notre Dame- 24
    Oracle- 19
    Petra- 24
    Porcelain Tower - 20 - 3 = 17
    Prora - 14
    Sistine Chapel - 30
    Statue Of Liberty- 29
    Stonehenge- 20
    Temple of Artemis - 14
    Uffizi - 12

    +1 to Neuschwanstein. By the time you're building it, Walls & Castles cost next to no production, and they've always been maintenance free. Now all the castles are maintenance free low production culture, happiness, and gold buildings which just so happen to make your cities harder to take. I'll often settle near mountains just to build it (and Observatories) later.

    -3 to Porcelain Tower. This is a personal gripe, but I really don't know if that extra 50% on Research Agreements is doing anything. I know the beakers generated are capped in some way by the weaker civ's science output, so does this just contribute to any 'wasted' beakers? Does the matching Social Policy? I really don't know. Aside from that, it's a Great Scientist. That's nice but totally outdone by something like the Leaning Tower which could be a Scientist and 25% more Scientists.
     
  17. jlim201

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    Borobudur -6
    Broadway - 15
    Chichen Itza - 26
    Colossus - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 31
    Forbidden Palace- 27
    Hanging Gardens- 23
    Leaning Tower of Pisa- 33
    Louvre- 23
    Machu Picchu- 21
    Neuschwanstein - 28
    Notre Dame- 24
    Oracle- 19
    Petra- 24
    Porcelain Tower - 17
    Prora - 14
    Sistine Chapel - 30
    Statue Of Liberty- 30- Can equal +18 production in my capital.
    Stonehenge- 17- I have other priorities, if I need faith, i would build a shrine and get a pantheon that gives faith.
    Temple of Artemis - 14
    Uffizi - 12
     
  18. arand86

    arand86 Warlord

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    Borobudur -6
    Broadway - 15
    Chichen Itza - 26
    Colossus - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 31
    Forbidden Palace- 27
    Hanging Gardens- 23
    Leaning Tower of Pisa- 33
    Louvre- 23
    Machu Picchu- 21
    Neuschwanstein - 28
    Notre Dame- 24
    Oracle- 19
    Petra- 24
    Porcelain Tower - 17
    Prora - 11 Opportunity cost way too high. You have to take Autocracy to get it, whose yields could be a lot more detrimental than the benefits Prora could ever provide
    Sistine Chapel - 31 Really helps with culture, and culture s very important for basically everything.
    Statue Of Liberty- 30
    Stonehenge- 17
    Temple of Artemis - 14
    Uffizi - 12
     
  19. hwarang61

    hwarang61 Chieftain

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    Borobudur -3 The least favourite out of the list
    Broadway - 15
    Chichen Itza - 26
    Colossus - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 31
    Forbidden Palace- 27
    Hanging Gardens- 23
    Leaning Tower of Pisa- 33
    Louvre- 23
    Machu Picchu- 21
    Neuschwanstein - 28
    Notre Dame- 24
    Oracle- 19
    Petra- 24
    Porcelain Tower - 17
    Prora - 11
    Sistine Chapel - 31
    Statue Of Liberty- 31 I play as Korea most of the time mainly because I love the UA. This is a great synergy for all the specialists
    Stonehenge- 17
    Temple of Artemis - 14
    Uffizi - 12
     
  20. jlim201

    jlim201 King

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    Borobudur -0- Bye useless faith wonder
    Broadway - 15
    Chichen Itza - 27- 5 extra golden age turns per golden age is so good. I used to think Civil Service was useless because i didnt understand what golden ages were or did.
    Colossus - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 31
    Forbidden Palace- 27
    Hanging Gardens- 23
    Leaning Tower of Pisa- 33
    Louvre- 23
    Machu Picchu- 21
    Neuschwanstein - 28
    Notre Dame- 24
    Oracle- 19
    Petra- 24
    Porcelain Tower - 17
    Prora - 11
    Sistine Chapel - 31
    Statue Of Liberty- 31 I play as Korea most of the time mainly because I love the UA. This is a great synergy for all the specialists
    Stonehenge- 17
    Temple of Artemis - 14
    Uffizi - 12
     

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