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Woo Hoo! You can see your MD within 12 months!

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Norlamand, Dec 26, 2004.

  1. Norlamand

    Norlamand Procrastinator Rex

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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/4116173.stm

     
  2. Plexus

    Plexus Architeuthidae puericomedentis

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    Just as there as failings with the American system, people must recognize the problems with nationalized health care.
     
  3. aneeshm

    aneeshm Deity

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    I thank god they my country's flirtation with socialism did not proceed far enough for us to take the fatal step of nationalising medicine . Woo Hoo ! I only have to wait for a few hours to see my MD . I love freedom . . . . . . Yay to a capitalist medical system !
     
  4. classical_hero

    classical_hero In whom I trust

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    I only have to wait a few days , If he is busy, or a few hours, if not. We have a socalistic sytle of health care and it is working fine in Australia.
     
  5. Hundegesicht

    Hundegesicht Manly Studmuffin

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    If I want to see my MD I... um... get in my car. It usually only takes an hour or so with both driving times and waiting room. If I don't want to wait the hour, I call him the day before. And the entire thing costs me...

    $10. My insurance pays for the rest. There are some days I really, really enjoy living in the USA. I couldn't even imagine having to wait 6 months... :eek:
     
  6. Mega Tsunami

    Mega Tsunami Emperor

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    Norlmand put up a very misleading heading and you guys haven’t actually read the report.
    If I want to see my doctor I ring up and will see him or one of his colleagues the next day. The worst I have ever had to wait was the day after that. And this is ‘free’. If I need anything quicker we can always go down to the hospital and they will see us within a few hours (my only experience of this I was seen immediately).

    What the report is referring to is the max. wait for seeing a specialist. The wait is too still too long but it is coming down. Once again if it is an emergency, they will see us straight away.
     
  7. Hotpoint

    Hotpoint Rome Treaty Legions

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    As I usually point out when people compare the US and UK healthcare systems the main reason for any difference in service is that the United States spends two and a half times more on healthcare per capita than the United Kingdom ($4,631 per person compared with $1,764).

    There are very few problems with the National Health Service (NHS) that could not be cured by increasing its budget by 250%. Conversely imagine the state of healthcare in America if you reduced spending to British levels.
     
  8. classical_hero

    classical_hero In whom I trust

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    The amount of money spent per capita does not mean anything because you could be spending the money in all the wrong areas and still have an awful heathcare system.
     
  9. Mise

    Mise isle of lucy

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    Exactly, it's simply a matter of money. "Mismanagement" is merely a distraction from the real issue. There's a lot of pressure on doctors to meet performance targets, which is to the detrement of the provision of primary care, and this simply isn't helping anything. Further privatisation and the creation of "competition" in the NHS will merely exacerbate existing problems. Just another reason to vote against the Tories (and Labour, to a lesser extent).
    That too. Well said. They're also specifically talking about Wales, not the UK as a whole. Wales's population is around 3 million. It's also a less prosperous part of the country. I bet if you took the same type of cross section in ANY country, you'd find surprising results.

    Incidentally, the article by and large praises the NHS, and the progress made. The article says that although much has already been done, much more needs to be done to ensure the best possible health care service. It's not criticising the government, and it makes no comparisons to any other country, so unless you're a leading expert in the field, or you have more than pure anecdotes, I suggest you shut up and read the article, not just the title.

    @hundegeswhateveryournameis: that's exactly what I do, except I don't need $10 and insurance. It's free, and it's exactly the same.
     
  10. Mise

    Mise isle of lucy

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    That's his point: the US privatised health care system is costing the average American more money, and is delivering a service of widely varying quality, because the money is going to the wrong places.
     
  11. Hotpoint

    Hotpoint Rome Treaty Legions

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    True but if you spend a vast amount of money you only need a relatively small percentage actually directed in the right direction to have a decent healthcare system... as long as you aren't comparing for efficiency but rather just results.

    If the US spends over twice as much per person on healthcare it only need be as half as efficient and it will still have a better standard of service than the NHS. That's the point really, the system used in the US is terribly expensive and only looks good if you don't want to consider how much it costs.
     
  12. phoenix_night

    phoenix_night Deity

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    I think this counter-zulu tactic of yours is a bit of a waste, Norlamand. People in the UK like to criticise the government. It's a favourite past-time. :)

    It's not as if the failings of the NHS qualify as news anyway... :sad:
     
  13. TrailblazingScot

    TrailblazingScot I was kittenOFchaos

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    storealex In service of peace

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    Backfire... bang
     
  15. TrailblazingScot

    TrailblazingScot I was kittenOFchaos

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    At least it is an opinion, something that Norlamand fails to provide in all his copy&paste antics.
     
  16. Duke of Marlbrough

    Duke of Marlbrough The Quiet Moderator Retired Moderator

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    Moderator Action: If people can't focus on the topic rather than the poster, then actions will be taken. If you don't want to post on the topic, then don't post in the thread.
    Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

    Moderator Action: Norlamand, you will be expected to participate in such discussions, not just copy/paste an article and leave it at that. That is the same for anyone who decides to try and copy/paste articles but not be part of the discussion.
     

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