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World Peace Day

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Sultan Bhargash, Feb 15, 2003.

  1. sysyphus

    sysyphus So they tell me

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    You assume that this war will pretty much guarantee the removal of Saddam.

    There's very little guarantee at all. The Iraqi army is a formidable one, don't underestimate it. As well, America will ultimately have to shift some of its focus to protecting Israel from the attacks which will imminently be thrust upon it when the war begins.

    IN the end, a very deep hole could (and quite likely) will be dug that will be very difficult to get out of, and the world will many steps back from where we are now.
     
  2. Alcibiaties of Athenae

    Alcibiaties of Athenae Imperator

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    The Iraqi army is formidable in Saddam's mind, and that is it.
     
  3. sysyphus

    sysyphus So they tell me

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    I'VE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS. THESE CLAIMS THAT ANTI-WAR PEOPEL ARE PRO SADDAM IS NOTHING LESS THAN PURE SPAM.

    MODERATOR OR NOT, THIS IS COMPLETELY UNCALLED FOR.
     
  4. joespaniel

    joespaniel Unescorted Settler

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    A safe assumption IMHO.

    If anything, it is overestimated.

    Once Saddam is gone, then the truly hard part will begin.
     
  5. joespaniel

    joespaniel Unescorted Settler

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    I am not so sure about that.

    Many times I have asked anti-war opponents to offer an alternative, and I've yet to see any effective ones.
     
  6. sysyphus

    sysyphus So they tell me

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    I have yet to see where this war will be effective.

    So perhaps I should start labelling pro-war people as warhawks? Fair is fair.
     
  7. joespaniel

    joespaniel Unescorted Settler

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    And once again, the question is side-stepped...
     
  8. sysyphus

    sysyphus So they tell me

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    Because I don't have an exact answer doesn't mean you can claim that war IS the only solution. You have yet to convice me that war is an effective answer.

    Complex situations require long complex solutions. Sorry to burst your bubble of the quick and easy answer, but that's life in a complex world.
     
  9. Cimbri

    Cimbri Deity

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    I consider this a personal insult. How very un-diplomatic of you… Sheez…

    Cimbri
     
  10. Alcibiaties of Athenae

    Alcibiaties of Athenae Imperator

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    Again, the truth hurts.

    It may not be your intention, but it is the net result.

    Face it.

    Your in deep denile on this, peaceful methods were tried for 12 years and went nowhere.

    The Iraqi papers are playing it up big.

    This "protest" may have done more damage to world peace then a thousand wars, because you showed a murderer he can get a way with it, as long as he sticks to his guns.

    As for bringing up I'm a moderator, I took that garbage last week, there will be no repeat of that.
    I consider it cowardice to bring up my staff postion because you don't like my views.
    Deal with it any way you like, but I will have my say, and I still determine what is spam and what isn't.
     
  11. sysyphus

    sysyphus So they tell me

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    And besides that, you have yet to convince me that the problem is as bad as you make it out to be.

    YEah, Saddam had a few nasty bits of equipment about. It's pittance compared to what a number of other countries have (including the USA).

    Where's the real threat? DO I see where he intends to use it any time soon?

    The threat of war may be the trigger for that.
     
  12. CurtSibling

    CurtSibling ENEMY ACE™ SLeague Staff Supporter

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    The West only wants peace....

    A little peace of Afghanistan,
    A little peace of Iraq,
    A little peace of Korea,
    A little peace of Saudi Arabia,
    A little peace of ....

    Ho ho!
    (excuse the old Mel Brooks joke)
     
  13. Alcibiaties of Athenae

    Alcibiaties of Athenae Imperator

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    I consider the entire anti-war movement a personal insult, to the intelligence of the entire planet.
     
  14. CurtSibling

    CurtSibling ENEMY ACE™ SLeague Staff Supporter

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    For the record. I am anti-war.
    I would shoot anyone who called me pro-Saddam.
    (No offense directed at you, my good Alcibiaties.)

    But I am realistic.
    To kill a dictator, there has to be death and ruin.
    I just hope the pro-war people can understand that.

    When we go to war, we also get all that that implies...

    Body bags filled with our men,
    More terror attacks,
    International scorn and mistrust,
    It is all there waiting for us.

    I hope we can justify it, to ourselves...

    So let the tanks roll!
     
  15. IceBlaZe

    IceBlaZe Atheist Proselytizer

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    No it isn't. There are a million reasons to protest for in Israel, each group and it's own reasons, and the nation has a reason as a whole. How much protests do you see?
    We like to blame each other, rightists the left, left the right, barely even put our note in the Kalfi and go back home.
    The unawareness and sleepiness of the Israeli society can be seen in the huge mandate "Shinui", the Secular Messiah party, got.
    It's frustration, unawareness and lack of belief in the ability to change something yourself. So you vote for a party that promises anything, but haven't done nothing. It's a known fact, any conversation with a Sociologist/Economist/Political scientist (with a good logic) will tell you the same (One came to lecture in our school, and one, who isn't a sociolgist but a leader of youth movements and runs his own few seminaries, said the same).
    When I say aware (you might misundersand me), I mean in the term of "Awake", confronting.
    That is the exact opposit of the Israeli society AND it's youth. It wasn't so in the past, but it is now.
    All the brands in TV commercials even to start to call us that - "Escape" paints the Israeli youth as Escapist and slobbist, and it is just the beginning of a trend already noticed.
    It wasn't always like that. In 1982, 300,000 people protested after Sabra and Shatila. Today, nothing would move such an amount.
    In the 50's, tens of thousands (including my teacer) protested against the payment agreement with Germany concerning the Holocaust, today, even the worse thing that happens, at best a few thousands will do the same.
    The Israeli society is mostly Escapist and voluptary.
    Do you know what is the income gap average in Israel is? 1/44!
    Highest of all western states! Not one serious protest about that.
    And our society is meant to be Zionist, ie modelling an "Example state for Goyim" in the words of Ben Gurion.
    Those days are gone, and the society aswell. If anything will be particulary to blame if our state deteriorates untill no end, it is the society of today and especially the youth of today who practically barely does a THING. Even the IDF recruitment percentage among Seculars is decreasing in unknown numbers each year.


    Do you want a list?
    1. Income gaps
    2. Corruption and crime in government
    3. Lack of action to build security fence
    4. the continuing un-normal rate of expansion of colonies, while people inside Israel continue to be slaughtered.
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  16. sysyphus

    sysyphus So they tell me

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    Someday you'll have to learn the differencebetween the truth and your opinion.


    Just as the war will do as well.

    Just as the weastern papers play up any fringe group who opposes someone we don't like.

    They said nothing of the sort. All they say is they want an alternative to war. You have no right putting words in other people's mouths.

    And you may recall that I was one who said you were fair in separating the two positions of poster and moderator. Just making sure that you saw me responding to you as poster

    You seem to like to label anyone with different views than you as a coward. New record please.

    You can have your say, again, I was one who spoke out for your right to speak. And I WILL call it spam, and just because I can't make it official doesn't mean it isn't.

    Stick to facts. Anti-war does not equal Pro-Saddam. If you need to paint people with opposing views with this sort of label, then perhaps "truth" isn't on your side after all.
     
  17. IceBlaZe

    IceBlaZe Atheist Proselytizer

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    P.S. ~45 Billion NIS flow to Colonies.
    Another thing to (not) protest about.
     
  18. Cimbri

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    Yes the world is truly better off with more war.

    I’m lost for words… :(
     
  19. CurtSibling

    CurtSibling ENEMY ACE™ SLeague Staff Supporter

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    I deplore war, but realised long ago that we have never really had true peace anyway.

    Show me a decade or century when there has not been a war....

    Never has been a decade without conflict.

    Today is no different.
    ;)
     
  20. IceBlaZe

    IceBlaZe Atheist Proselytizer

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    Well, Curt, Peace is the time between two wars as they say.
     

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