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World War II 1939 - A Civilization IV Moddification

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Creation & Customization' started by asioasioasio, Aug 10, 2006.

  1. knigh+

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    about US and Commonwealth...

    In the WW2 scenario of civ2, which was on European map, they had a few size 20+ cities (named New York and Washington) on a tiny bit of land at the west end of the map to stand for the out of map allies. Ok, this makes Atlanic Ocean kind of narrow, but it would save you from having to simulate US (or Canada) by some non-conventional means, as well as make it a perfect setup for the submarine warfare to take place.
     
  2. knigh+

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    Perhaps I should provide some useful input to complete my previous musings...

    civ: ww2 Turkey
    leader: Ismet Inonu - aggressive/protective - favors Emancipation
    1939 civics: Universal suffrage, Nationhood, Serfdom, State Property, Free Religion
    unique unit: cheaper Infantry, or Cavalry with flanking
    unique building: monument reduces war weariness by 5-10%


    Wonders

    Istanbul (13): HAGIA SOPHIA, West Point, Forbidden Palace
    Ankara (9): Palace, National Epic
    Izmir (8): TEMPLE OF ARTEMIS (destroyed in 19th century)
    Konya (6): Hermitage
    Zonguldak (3): Iron Works
    Canakkale (2): Heroic Epic (this goes to Afyon if map size does not allow Canakkale)
    Afyon (3): Mt. Rushmore (please change the name of this to something like "national monument", every country in the game having a mountain named Rushmore is ridiculous)

    Other major cities (depending on map size): Antalya (4), Adana (6), Bursa (6), Kayseri (5), Diyarbakir (3), Samsun (3), Trabzon (2), Erzurum (3), Van (2)


    ...just having demographic fun
     
  3. makke

    makke Chieftain

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    Yeah i agree on adding turkey. Use edit button man^^ :D

    About Sweden. Sweden helpt Finland with 8000 men and 16 planes. Thought Sweden told that they officially did not attend war. So no good reason to be in mod if not neutral, it could be cool. But i would first put countries which attended WW2 in or atleast most of them. Norway should be in because Germany attacked there and took Norway under control. But maybe 2-3 North-Europe countries in to the mod max. (Finland,Sweden,Norway) I think that all civs in could be like: Third Reich, USSR, Uk, Poland, France, Italy, USA, Turkey, Finland, Norway, Spain(?), Sweden(?), Egypt(?), Greece(?) +/- neutrals. 15 civs overall. This would make sense if you ask from me. I dont think all the Civs need to have animated leaderhead. You could just put good clear picture. I agree that this mod need some space for diplomatics so adding neutrals make sence. By the way This mod is going to rule :)


    WW2 Finland


    Leader: Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim (Organized and Protective maybe)

    http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mannerheim2jl7.jpg

    Civics: Universal surfage, Nationhood, Emancipation, Free market, Free religion (im not 100% sure are these right)

    Unique bulding: Sauna (+2 happiness +1 growht) (Women use to gave birth in sauna)

    Major cities: Helsinki,Turku,Oulu,Tampere,Viipuri(now a day belongs to Russia but was Finland during this time), Rovaniemi, Hämeenlinna, Vaasa and more depending on map size

    Ideas


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Finnish_areas_ceded_in_1940.png


    - ^^Pic of Map of Finland after winter war. Red spots should be on finland territory on mods map because those belonged to finland before winter war and momentarily in continutationwar but were lost after that.

    - 25% from infantry of USSR (so if USSR has 20 on start we have 5, one in capital Helsinki others in east border).

    - Finland should have units like: 1-3 snipers on start in east border and 2-4 Tank hunters. (One finnish famous sniper told the public that he had killed 120 Soviets in war by the way :D)

    - Finland should have only 1-2 light tanks at start. We had really few tanks on start of WW2, later on by help of Germany we had quite many tanks.

    - On east border 2 antiaircraft cannons and in Capital 1.

    - Later on Germany provided Finland with guns and equipments. To fight against USSR. Finland and Sweden should be friendly, USSR and Finland should be cautious in start and Germany and Finland pleased. Because we would have never joined or allied with communist. So USSR should kind of be annoyed or cautious about Finland.

    - Finland tile in map should be snow. and USSR should be snow too i think.

    - New tech on techtree Skiing. Finland would have it on start (national sport here),would add 1 movement to infantry on snow, if its possible to make it like that:

    http://www.heritageaspen.org/images/soldier.jpg

    http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuva:Finnish_Soldiers_Skiing.jpg


    But its your call. If you choose to put Finland in i have ideas and information and im willing to help with all i can. So contact me :) I could write the texts of finland too.


    Intresting links (good reading):


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_war

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation_War

    Good close picture of Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim (the warleader during war and later president)

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/Portrait_of_C.G.E._Mannerheim.jpg/225px-Portrait_of_C.G.E._Mannerheim.jpg



    List what troops would finland have:



    -Regular with rifle(Jäger) (strenght 20, movement 1, cost 120, only difference whitesnow uniform)

    -Machine gun (strenght 18, movement 1, cost 140, 50% vs gunpowdr units, would be like normal except white uniform)

    -Sniper (strenght 15, Movement 1, cost 200, 100% vs infantry, white uniform)

    -Gloster Gladiator fighter (UK sold 30 to finland, and South-Africa gave 29 to Finland for free) (strenght 12, movement 6, cost 120)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_Gladiator

    Model:

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=3820589&posted=1#post3820589

    -Tank hunter with molotov cocktail and rifle (strenght 14, movement 1, cost 140, 100% vs. tanks, white uniform)

    -Bristel Blenheim (strenght 15-20, movement 6, cost 140)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Blenheim

    -Morande-Saulnier M.S. 406 (strenght 15-18, movement 6, cost 130)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morane-Saulnier_M.S.406

    -Brewster F2A "Buffalo" (strenght 18,movement 7, cost 150)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewster_Buffalo

    -Messerschmitt Bf 109 (used in Finland 3/1943, model under)

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=3799879#post3799879

    -Regular with Suomi-M-31 SMG(Jäger machine gunner) (strenght 24, movement 1, cost 160) (replaces marine, white uniform)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suomi_M-31_SMG

    -T-26 Tank (USSR and Finland both used these in winterwar, you have the model allready)

    -Panzer IV (Finland bought 15 of these from Nazi-Germany during world war, thought had no time to use them in continutionwar. Thought i quess model would be allready done. And playing this mod maybe Finland-USSR war isnt over in 1944. Would be available in 1944)

    -Sturmgeschütz III (StuG III) (Would be available in 1944. In 1944 the Finnish Army received 59 StuG III from Germany and used them against the Soviet Union. These destroyed at least 87 enemy tanks for a loss of only 8 StuG's. You have model of this allready)

    -British Vickers E (Finland - used 33 tanks since 1938. They were armed initially with 37 mm Bofors anti-tank gun. They were used in the Winter War with the USSR) (you got this allready)

    -Mines and bunkers

    -Trucks (movement 4, cost 120, for moving infantry)

    -Submarines and warships

    -Tankhunter with Bazooka (Strenght 15, movement 1, cost 180, 1 first strike, 100% vs tanks. (Germany sell those to finland, white snowuniform)

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Bazookas_Korea.jpg/300px-Bazookas_Korea.jpg

    -Artillery

    -Anti-aircraft

    And UK and France should have some of the planes too. Because mostly planes was bought from them except the ones Finland get from Germany. No need to have exactly same planes as up there^^. But some same planes as UK and France have in mod and maybe some Germany's. But realistic way, no super good bombers to Finland lol :D I think adding Finland wouldnt be too mutch work too. Because uses mutch same modells as other countries and changing uniform color for infantry shouldnt take so mutch work. I would really love if you would add Finland ;)

    Edit: Also idea and few models:
    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=181587

    This could be good strategial thing to add in mod^^


    Good plane model for Italy:

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=3822339#post3822339

    Good plane model for USSR:

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=3786328#post3786328
     
  4. Hardner

    Hardner Blitzkrieger

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    What map will you use? Do you have a screenie?
    I have a map which I created but never finnished. If you want to use it and complete it, just pm me. All landmasses are created but it needs proper terrain, ressource and river placement. A few Cities are placed. Screenie below.

     
  5. asioasioasio

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    About other nations - to do in future versions of mod (of even earlier - during beta tests). I know Finland, Turkey, Spain and other nations should have own place in the game. But believe it's a lot of work :)
    And making not all leaderheads animated or cutting the number of units for civs is one of the choice. We want to make mod in highest quality possible so we rather want all leaders animated :)
    But thx for all of ideas and help it would be easier to add new nations

    About map i like it very much - still europe to small :(
    adding atlantic ocean makes the game goes different
    but we think it could be used this map in future scenarios :)

    and one screenshot more:) british mk IV crusader II tank
     
  6. darkedone02

    darkedone02 The Suggestor

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    This going to look super, along with super lag in my system of course, but any who, I like to try this game out.
     
  7. Splinter13

    Splinter13 The Learner

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    Thanks, We hope so too. :D


    EDIT: Check back every once and awhile and we should have a update for you anxious civ-ers. :lol:
    We are working no-stop so you guys can start playing it as soon as possible :)



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  8. wotan321

    wotan321 Chieftain

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    So how about a quick progress report, please.
     
  9. Splinter13

    Splinter13 The Learner

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    @Wotan321

    Yeah we're going to have an update pretty soon, probably in the next couple of days.

    A little addition we are planning on putting in is The Lopez' new Air Forces Mod.http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=2674
    We are probably going to tweak it slighty, maybe changing some of the promotions..etc

    Check back in a couple of days Wotan and hopefully you'll get your juicy info you've been waiting for :p

    PS. We're all starting back at school/work therefore the modding process has slowed down a little bit, But it's still going forward quite nicely. We arn't giving any estimation yet on when it will be done, because we really can't know at this stage.


    Splinter13
     
  10. wotan321

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    Very good. I appreciate you letting us know how its going and some of the changes you plan for it. It continues to sound like a real winner.
     
  11. wotan321

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    ...btw, how are you handling religion in this mod?
     
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    It's some mix of ideologies and alliances - having people in country profascist would change politics of the leader - to more fascist and having good connections with other countries with that point of view.
    There would be three ideologies / alliances
    Comintern - for Soviet Union
    West Allies for France Great Britain Poland (and with future versions for Belgium, Holland, Greece, Egipt, Partially In Finland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Norway Danmark,
    Fascism - For Italy, Third Reich, Hungary, Romania, Bulgary Spain. Partially for Finland, Danmark, Norway
    Neutrals will start with "no state relligion" and would be converted to one of the alliances "point of view" by using new unit type - ideologist (what's nothing other than missionary in vanilla civ4)

    Of course without new units there'll be new type of buildings
    for west allies:
    Local Seat of Democratic Party
    Central Seat of Democratic Party
    Statue Of Liberty

    for comintern
    Local Seat of Communist Party
    Central Seat of Communist Party
    Kremlin

    fascism
    Local Seat of Fascist Party
    Central Seat of Fascist Party
    Volkshalle wich was major part of Hitler's architectular project turning Berlin to cultural capitol of the world. Never build - you can see the model of it in this movie about last days of hitler - The Fall

    Both Volkshalle and Kremlin (Statue Of Liberty would be in xml but it won't be visible in game for obvious reasons:)) would have role in the game like Shrines

    Five Civics would be connected with Ideollogies/Aliances
    Interventionism
    Isolationism
    Cooperation
    Intelligence
    Arms Race


    About sounds and movies - about movies - perhaps with future versions for scenarios beginning much earlier
    And about sounds
    for comintern i plan to use first tacts of "The Internationale" wich was anthem for proletariat masses :)
    I don't know wich melody use for west allies and fascist - mayby you could help with some propositions :)
     
  13. wotan321

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    Thanks for the info, this is good to see.

    As for music, there are lots of MP3s out there of era music, from England, US, and Germany. Any March would be good for either, and there were lots of those. Or some Wagner for the Fascists, that would be appropriate.
     
  14. ParkCungHee

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    Do you guys have any of the LHs finished yet?
     
  15. wotan321

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    As for religions, it would be interesting, and a bit more realisitic, to have the 3 religions involved to be "Communism", "Fascism" and "Christianity". In many ways, these three behaved and competed for the hearts and minds of the people like religions, and were pretty mutually exclusive.

    Will the three religions have "missionaries" to send out?
     
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    yep they will be called ideologists :)
     
  17. Spartan117

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    interesting. you guys are really going indept here. great job. good luck:goodjob:
     
  18. darkedone02

    darkedone02 The Suggestor

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    axis flag look's funny, look like a freakin axe on a tribal pole
     
  19. Leif

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    That is what a fascist originally was, a stick for beating people up with
     
  20. wotan321

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    I was curious myself, and of course visited Wikipedia to learn:

    Live and learn.
     

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