Would you like to sell your US citizenship for 3 million dollar? If yes, where will you go and what will you do with the money?

[H4run]

Not capitalism all the way, CAPITALISM IS THE WAY.

If Trump can sell gold card for 5 million dollars and make US citizenship a shelf-commodity, how about if you as US citizens also able to sell your citizenship for 3 million dollars on ebay? Well it's 5 million dollars but you have to suffer 2 million cut for Trump's lion-share. Will you give up your US citizenship for that amount of money?

Move your way out of US and enjoy living in foreign country having the security and life comfort that a 3 million dollar able to provide, tell me what will you do or what's your plan? or you want to argue that citizenship due actually worth that amount of money?

So Trump can get rid all low skill forces immigrants, or high-skill in that regard and instead inviting flogs of immigrant that will bring prosperity and money laundering money to United Flipping State of Murica, from rich middle-eastern oil families, Russian oligarch, Chinese tycoon or what have you, all rich peoples need second passport especially American passport, these high quality immigrants are the one that fit the framework for the new Murican, one that'll not take over regular job that Trumpets hold with their claw and teeth, it will instead bring good investment to the country.

I think this is a good idea, you are allowed to sell your citizenship on ebay with no refund, so once you got your buyer, you have a year to move out from US with your 3 million dollar and prepare all registration that's needed to become new citizen in other country (and the cost you need to pay to become that citizen you can move to Japan, Dominican Republic, Turkey or Indonesia, it's up to you), so tell me what will you do with that money and where will you live?

 

[Voidwalkin]

I'd consider New Zealand. Very nice oceanic weather. People seem pretty reasonable there.

I would also consider Wales, Norway, and Canada(only British Columbia though).

 

[H4run]

I'd consider New Zealand. Very nice oceanic weather. People seem pretty reasonable there.

I would also consider Wales, Norway, and Canada(only British Columbia though).

Nice choices, you will not be so foreign there as well, as they are English speaking country (aside of Norway). How much and how difficult do you think to be a citizen in that country? In Turkey for instance, if I'm not mistaken, you should buy a property that cost couple of hundreds of thousands dollar, I know this from my Uyghur's friend who want to become Turkish citizen.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

I'd consider New Zealand. Very nice oceanic weather. People seem pretty reasonable there.

I would also consider Wales, Norway, and Canada(only British Columbia though).

If by British Columbia you mean Vancouver, 3 million won't go far when buying a decent house. Even the worst dump costs something like a million, and the expectation is that you're really buying land for the purpose of knocking the house down and building something better. They also have a hefty tax on foreign buyers.

Hope you like smoky summers. The new normal is for both British Columbia and Alberta to have about a third to a half of it on fire every year. Our first fire restrictions in Alberta came last month. The last time this happened was in 2016, when Ft. McMurray burned. That's the fire where the smoke wafted all across North America (visible from the International Space Station), and people I was talking to in other countries (had quite the argument going on YT with a woman in New Orleans who had some weird ideas about Canada) were asking if I was okay (yep, I'm far enough south of Fort McMurray that I was in no danger of fire, but it was very hard to breathe).

But otherwise, BC is a nice province and if I had my druthers, that's where I'd be living. You're never not near mountains and lakes, and the scenery is spectacular. For myself, I'd probably live closer to the Rockies, maybe Golden or Revelstoke. Even 3 Valley Gap, if it's big enough now (it was basically just a tourist stop the last time I was there in the mid-'80s). I discovered that I do better at higher elevations than lower ones. And if I were in the shoes of anyone taking that money and moving to BC, there are a few bucket list things I'd be able to do (ride the VIA train; I've always wanted to take that trip through the mountains) and really explore Vancouver Island and some of the parks around Vancouver since we never had time for that on my previous trips.

Actually, if you're also considering Norway, have a look at warpus' thread about his Norway trip. Going by the photos, Norway reminds me very much of BC, just on a larger scale.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Since giving up citizenship does not mean giving up our SS benefits (but likely Medicare benefits would go) we might well take the $3 million and move to a nice climate with good healthcare systems. $3 million in 4% US bonds comes to $120k + current SS + current portfolio = a pretty secure income and lifestyle almost anywhere: Spain, Italy, southern France, Bahamas, OZ, a Greek isle, Singapore....etc.

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[Voidwalkin]

Nice choices, you will not be so foreign there as well, as they are English speaking country (aside of Norway). How much and how difficult do you think to be a citizen in that country?

Probably easily enough. I'm in my mid-30s, I have no record and a blue collar skillset. Lotta places need workers.

If by British Columbia you mean Vancouver, 3 million won't go far when buying a decent house

Prince George.

 

[EnglishEdward]

Since giving up citizenship does not mean giving up our SS benefits...

Careful, if the Elon is data mining this thread that might change.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

a Greek isle

You and @Kyriakos could be almost-neighbors!

Prince George.

I've been there. One of my aunts lived there for awhile and we took a trip to visit her.

 

[danjuno]

Ireland, preferably Munster or Connacht. . Dublin seems like a nice place to visit but everything I've read of the real estate market there is .

 

[Arwon]

For 3 million dollars I would sell my Australian citizenship, and then try to get that ruled invalid for making me stateless while pocketing the money. Because what valid reason would there be for anyone to be offering millions of dollars to people to make themselves stateless? Would make for a fun legal test case tbh.

 

[H4run]

For 3 million dollars I would sell my Australian citizenship, and then try to get that ruled invalid for making me stateless while pocketing the money. Because what valid reason would there be for anyone to be offering millions of dollars to people to make themselves stateless? Would make for a fun legal test case tbh.

It'll be like selling a house, you'll be homeless for a while until you find another one.

Look, the government is guilty on monetizing the gold card, in return you can sell your citizenship, but too bad you're not American so this scenario is not possible for you, but we can always use our imagination.

But from what I see so far, America will be empty-out if the citizenship is up for sales. A nice program to depopulate the country.

 

[Ajidica]

They would have to speak English, because nobody wants to hear me butcher my way through their native language.
Britain sucks, so that is ruled out. Australia has too many creepy-crawlies. That leaves Canada, Ireland, or New Zealand. Since Minnesota is basically Canada, probably just skip across the border to Canada tbh.

 

[Birdjaguar]

It'll be like selling a house, you'll be homeless for a while until you find another one.

Look, the government is guilty on monetizing the gold card, in return you can sell your citizenship, but too bad you're not American so this scenario is not possible for you, but we can always use our imagination.

But from what I see so far, America will be empty-out if the citizenship is up for sales. A nice program to depopulate the country.

Even if it were possible, not many would actually leave. People have too many family ties and friends and favorite things to do. If I had to guess, it would be less than 10,000 out of 133 million.

 

[H4run]

If I had to guess, it would be less than 10,000 out of 133 million.

I think it's more than that, especially under Trump right now, see the marginal demographic from the peoples of colors, those who feel threaten or simply not happy with Trump policies or Trumpets, perhaps great chunk of them will move out of US.

People have too many family ties and friends and favorite things to do.

Bird, of course they will bring their family along. They will convince them to sell their citizenship on eBay. If Mormons can mass-migrate with cars to Mexico with their own money, why can't American Mexicans sell their citizenship and move to Mexico?

This will be a profitable deal for everybody. Trump supporters will see people of color, heretics, and infidels march out of the US, keeping the nation white and Christian. Meanwhile, these American diasporas will live comfortably in another country with millions of dollars in hand. But we will get a new type of immigrant that will flock to America, high-quality ones, the ones that really have money to invest or sometimes to hide.

I bet millions will put their citizenship on ebay if this is allowed.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

It'll be like selling a house, you'll be homeless for a while until you find another one.

Except that you can't just decide which country to move to. Some of them have very strict citizenship requirements, and you'd have to meet those if you wanted to move there.

They would have to speak English, because nobody wants to hear me butcher my way through their native language.
Britain sucks, so that is ruled out. Australia has too many creepy-crawlies. That leaves Canada, Ireland, or New Zealand. Since Minnesota is basically Canada, probably just skip across the border to Canada tbh.

Canada has a thriving SCA community. Mind you, I'm only familiar with Avacal.

If I had to guess, it would be less than 10,000 out of 133 million.

It could come down to how repressive the anti-choice reproductive laws get. There are American women who are planning to leave, not for their own sakes, but because they have daughters.

 

[danjuno]

For 3 million dollars I would sell my Australian citizenship, and then try to get that ruled invalid for making me stateless while pocketing the money. Because what valid reason would there be for anyone to be offering millions of dollars to people to make themselves stateless? Would make for a fun legal test case tbh.

 

[PhroX]

I've dual nationality, and the only thing the US side of that has gotten me in 40-odd years of life is getting though customs quicker when visiting said country, definitely.

 

[amadeus]

And here I was just giving the GD thing away.

Where’s the cash?!

 

[Zardnaar]

I'd consider New Zealand. Very nice oceanic weather. People seem pretty reasonable there.

I would also consider Wales, Norway, and Canada(only British Columbia though).

Might not qualify as you're technically stateless.
.3 million usd would probably qualify you for an investor visa though. Might have to buy government bonds at whatever rate they're offering.

You can't buy a house here until you get residency or citizenship though.

Acceptable investments: Investor visas

If you applied for an Investor 1 or 2 Resident Visa on or before 27 July 2022 (prior to the category closure), you must invest your money in an acceptable investment.

www.immigration.govt.nz

 

[H4run]

And here I was just giving the GD thing away.

Where’s the cash?!

Thank you for your inquiry. This program allows U.S. citizens to sell their citizenship through eCommerce. Unfortunately, it does not apply retroactively to those who have previously renounced their citizenship. We appreciate your understanding!