Would you like to sell your US citizenship for 3 million dollar? If yes, where will you go and what will you do with the money?

If you know your way around money (not throwing them away on stupid things you don't need) and making investments, $3M could set you up for life in something like 90% of the worlds nations.

So, if I was young and hadn't settled down yet or started my own family, the answer is a resounding 'yes'.

It gets much more complicated, if you are older and settled somewhere in the US; all your kids and family live there and so on.
 
If you know your way around money (not throwing them away on stupid things you don't need) and making investments, $3M could set you up for life in something like 90% of the worlds nations.

So, if I was young and hadn't settled down yet or started my own family, the answer is a resounding 'yes'.

It gets much more complicated, if you are older and settled somewhere in the US; all your kids and family live there and so on.

Reasonable and careful observation. My question is: assuming that you're a US citizen, you're older and settled down (married with children), and you have expertise in managing and handling money, will you keep your citizenship and not sell it to raise your family abroad? Do you want to raise your level under the current US government and environment? I mean, weird things are going on now in the US, and many around the world are mindlessly parroting it. There is rise of ethno-nationalism in US, anti-immigrant sentiment, anti-mixed-race breeding, and all of that. Do you think you're white enough, and Trumpets enough, for future Murica?

Is it a good place to raise a family?

Tell me.
 
Reasonable and careful observation. My question is: assuming that you're a US citizen, you're older and settled down (married with children), and you have expertise in managing and handling money, will you keep your citizenship and not sell it to raise your family abroad? Do you want to raise your level under the current US government and environment? I mean, weird things are going on now in the US, and many around the world are mindlessly parroting it. There is rise of ethno-nationalism in US, anti-immigrant sentiment, anti-mixed-race breeding, and all of that. Do you think you're white enough, and Trumpets enough, for future Murica?

Is it a good place to raise a family?

Tell me.

If I were American and had a daughter of childbearing age, I'd take the first opportunity to leave.
 
If I were American and had a daughter of childbearing age, I'd take the first opportunity to leave.
I mean there are many reasons, layers and background that motivate different groups to leave America, this fact will be stronger when incentivized, because that's exactly what peoples want to do seeing the current government act: to leave or to resist.

You can't resist a super power, hence you leave.
 

There's a third option that may be more agreeable, if I was old and sort of through most of what life has to offer; take the $3M, give it all to my kids and send them off to start a new life abroad somewhere. :)
 
I know this is a hate murica thread and I understand it since the Hog Emperor of Doom and his dysfunctional fish speakers took over. But I always held a fascination for rural murica, those little towns lost in the woods, I wouldn't mind living there!
 
Gold visas are actually pretty common overall; plenty of island nations and European nations have had the equivalent of them for awhile, although they are dumb and really just lay bare the advantage wealth gets you.

I would sell for 3 million, and my partner would likely do so too, then we would buy a place in Malaysia and a place in Scotland.
 
I know this is a hate murica thread and I understand it since the Hog Emperor of Doom and his dysfunctional fish speakers took over. But I always held a fascination for rural murica, those little towns lost in the woods, I wouldn't mind living there!

Most Americans who are anti-American have no clue what the world looks like in the rest of the world. Let alone if you take the time we live in today into consideration.
 
to where?

I have no idea. I used to belong to a group of atheist women on FB, and most of them were American. Some of them said, "If Trump wins, I'm moving to Canada" and I warned them that depending on the province and if the CPC wins the next election, they wouldn't like what they found. Besides which, we don't mind genuine refugees, but Canadians of Convenience are annoying. Presumably to somewhere that respects a woman's right to choose.

One of them promptly said scratch Canada; she and her family would move to Portugal. I assume she'd done some research that indicated Portugal would be doable for them; I wouldn't know.
 
Unfortunately, it does not apply retroactively to those who have previously renounced their citizenship.
Ha! I never surrendered my passport or became a citizen here.

But would I for $3,000,000? I love my country but three million dollars is more than a lifetime’s worth of income.

Some of them said, "If Trump wins, I'm moving to Canada"
They hate Republicans so much they have to find a monarchy? :mischief:
 
I have no idea.
right
I used to belong to a group of atheist women on FB, and most of them were American. Some of them said, "If Trump wins, I'm moving to Canada"
wouldn't you wait first to see what will happen?

and I warned them that depending on the province and if the CPC wins the next election, they wouldn't like what they found. Besides which, we don't mind genuine refugees, but Canadians of Convenience are annoying. Presumably to somewhere that respects a woman's right to choose.
choose? Abortion?
Europe, Australia, Argentina, Thailand... good luck.

One of them promptly said scratch Canada; she and her family would move to Portugal. I assume she'd done some research that indicated Portugal would be doable for them; I wouldn't know.
Portugal is nice if you stay out of the major cities - just like most of Europe.
 
Ha! I never surrendered my passport or became a citizen here.

But would I for $3,000,000? I love my country but three million dollars is more than a lifetime’s worth of income.


They hate Republicans so much they have to find a monarchy? :mischief:

Constitutional monarchy. King Charles is the King of Canada, but he has basically no role other than ceremonial things, the vast majority of which are carried out by the Governor-General. There are sometimes quick "working visits" by other Royals, like Princess Anne. She shows up now and then for events to do with the military organizations for which she's the patron.

The women I was talking about aren't talking about moving because they hate republicans. They hate governments that repeal women's rights. Abortion and birth control aren't illegal in Canada.

People are getting more than a bit miffed that Charles hasn't said anything about the threats to annex Canada, but he's been keeping to the custom of not expressing political opinions in public. Justin Trudeau had a meeting with him, though, and hopefully told him that we'd appreciate it if he did say something. Canada supported England in two World Wars, so the least Charles could do is utter a few sentences.


Trump has mentioned something about being a king. He may fancy himself on the way to being one. Current chatter on some of the FB pages I follow is referencing the Ides of March. Personally, I think the situation is more of them needing Cassius Chaerea to take care of Caligula, rather than Brutus dealing with Julius. Whatever ambitions Julius Caesar had, he wasn't stark-raving nuts.

right

wouldn't you wait first to see what will happen?


choose? Abortion?
Europe, Australia, Argentina, Thailand... good luck.


Portugal is nice if you stay out of the major cities - just like most of Europe.

Since I'm not an upper-middle class American woman in the 20-35 year age range, I can't really say how they would think if they were being logical about it. There's a reason why I don't belong to that group anymore, and it's because there's so much groupthink and dogpiling that goes on if your opinion isn't in lockstep with the admins. I finally told them where to stuff themselves and quit.

That said, I completely get why they'd want to live somewhere where women get to make their own health decisions. I've had male doctors mansplaining to me on enough occasions over the years that I avoid them whenever possible.

As for wait-and-see... I get why some wouldn't want to do that. Margaret Atwood wrote The Handmaid's Tale as a warning, but some aspects of what the right-wing is doing in the U.S. and Canada these days give the impression that some are taking the book as an instruction manual. For some women, they're determined to get out while the borders are still open (after all, it's already a witch hunt in some parts of the U.S. regarding pregnant women crossing state lines and the suspicion that they might be intending to have an abortion in some other state that still allows it).
 
Constitutional monarchy. King Charles is the King of Canada, but he has basically no role other than ceremonial things, the vast majority of which are carried out by the Governor-General. There are sometimes quick "working visits" by other Royals, like Princess Anne. She shows up now and then for events to do with the military organizations for which she's the patron.

The women I was talking about aren't talking about moving because they hate republicans. They hate governments that repeal women's rights. Abortion and birth control aren't illegal in Canada.

People are getting more than a bit miffed that Charles hasn't said anything about the threats to annex Canada, but he's been keeping to the custom of not expressing political opinions in public. Justin Trudeau had a meeting with him, though, and hopefully told him that we'd appreciate it if he did say something. Canada supported England in two World Wars, so the least Charles could do is utter a few sentences.

Charles will be seeing The Donald this soon.

some aspects of what the right-wing is doing in the U.S. and Canada these days give the impression that some are taking the book as an instruction manual.

Ah a confession that it is a Canadian woman's fault.
 
But would I for $3,000,000? I love my country but three million dollars is more than a lifetime’s worth of income.
Constitutional monarchy. King Charles is the King of Canada, but he has basically no role other than ceremonial things, the vast majority of which are carried out by the Governor-General. There are sometimes quick "working visits" by other Royals, like Princess Anne. She shows up now and then for events to do with the military organizations for which she's the patron.

The women I was talking about aren't talking about moving because they hate republicans. They hate governments that repeal women's rights. Abortion and birth control aren't illegal in Canada.

People are getting more than a bit miffed that Charles hasn't said anything about the threats to annex Canada, but he's been keeping to the custom of not expressing political opinions in public. Justin Trudeau had a meeting with him, though, and hopefully told him that we'd appreciate it if he did say something. Canada supported England in two World Wars, so the least Charles could do is utter a few sentences.


Trump has mentioned something about being a king. He may fancy himself on the way to being one. Current chatter on some of the FB pages I follow is referencing the Ides of March. Personally, I think the situation is more of them needing Cassius Chaerea to take care of Caligula, rather than Brutus dealing with Julius. Whatever ambitions Julius Caesar had, he wasn't stark-raving nuts.



Since I'm not an upper-middle class American woman in the 20-35 year age range, I can't really say how they would think if they were being logical about it. There's a reason why I don't belong to that group anymore, and it's because there's so much groupthink and dogpiling that goes on if your opinion isn't in lockstep with the admins. I finally told them where to stuff themselves and quit.

That said, I completely get why they'd want to live somewhere where women get to make their own health decisions. I've had male doctors mansplaining to me on enough occasions over the years that I avoid them whenever possible.

As for wait-and-see... I get why some wouldn't want to do that. Margaret Atwood wrote The Handmaid's Tale as a warning, but some aspects of what the right-wing is doing in the U.S. and Canada these days give the impression that some are taking the book as an instruction manual. For some women, they're determined to get out while the borders are still open (after all, it's already a witch hunt in some parts of the U.S. regarding pregnant women crossing state lines and the suspicion that they might be intending to have an abortion in some other state that still allows it).
This abortion thing seems to be a central part of their lives. Interesting.
 
Charles will be seeing The Donald this soon.



Ah a confession that it is a Canadian woman's fault.

:rolleyes:

Margaret Atwood's book was published in 1985 and has never been out of print. There is nothing in it that hasn't already happened in some way, somewhere in the world, at some point in history. In the novels the Handmaids' serial numbers were tattooed on their bodies (sound familiar?). In the 1990 movie they had it as a barcode on a bracelet that's welded onto their arm, and in the TV series they have a red tag that's literally stapled onto an ear - without the use of any sort of anesthetic.

The novel was written as a warning. It was adapted into a movie in 1990 and a TV series later. By a weird coincidence, the TV series' release coincided with Trump's first presidential campaign, so of course a bunch of non-reading Americans assumed she'd written it about Trump and there was plenty of screeching about that on social media. There was even more screeching on the review channels on YT because HOW DARE the showrunners depict white women in any kind of restricted, slave-themed situations, because everyone knows that only black people were ever slaves... and on and on and on.

I informed them that first off, slavery had existed throughout human history, in most of the regions of the world and in many situations race had nothing to do with it. Secondly, the book was published 30 years before, so no, it wasn't about Trump. It was about a group of far-right extremists who murdered everyone connected with the legitimate U.S. government, and set themselves up in its place. They called themselves the Sons of Jacob and their new government was an extreme sort of theocracy in which women - those allowed to live, that is - were divided into one of several categories and had very few rights. A Handmaid who bore a baby to the Commander she served could never be called an UnWoman since she had fulfilled her "natural function" and the Aunts were the only women allowed to read.

Now consider what's been going on in the U.S. for the past several years. Women are being arrested in some states just for having a miscarriage. Women are dying in hospitals for seeking medical help for a miscarriage and if it's a state with repressive anti-abortion laws, the doctors and nurses do NOTHING to help them for fear of being arrested, sued, etc. and the woman dies of sepsis or some other preventable thing. These are women who WANT the baby, and it's the government's draconian legislation that leads to their incarceration or death.

And yes, there are women who don't want to be pregnant for a number of reasons, and women whose lives are put at risk by the pregnancy. There are non-viable fetuses and cases where something goes so wrong that the fetus dies in utero or the birth defects are so severe that the resulting baby might live a few hours at most.

So don't get up on a soap box and get judgmental about it. American women have every right to be afraid of how things are, and it's entirely rational to want to get out while they can.

Since this isn't the designated thread for debating the topic of abortion in general, don't even start. I've laid out the reasons why there are American women who are genuinely afraid of how things have gotten and that these are valid reasons why they might want to leave the country and go somewhere else that allows them reproductive freedom.

This abortion thing seems to be a central part of their lives. Interesting.

Read my reply to EnglishEdward and try to find some empathy.
 
Is it a good place to raise a family?

Sure. But you need to look for it and participate. Which a lot are unwilling to do. The family friendly skew religious, whether hwhite or Saudi, but not all of them. Which the internet represents poorly and Hollywood represents poorly.
 
Sure. But you need to look for it and participate. Which a lot are unwilling to do. The family friendly skew religious, whether hwhite or Saudi, but not all of them. Which the internet represents poorly and Hollywood represents poorly.
Sure, I'm not a racist person, I don't believe America as a whole is evil, that's not me; I am at heart an internationalist. However, I do abhor those who are voluntarily racist, such as Indian BJP sympathizers, for instance. I hold a very strong attitude against ethno-nationalism. Similarly, I see Trump supporters as having significant potential to grow in the same direction. With Trump also planning to form a civil militia to push back 'illegal' immigrants, there's a chance that America could evolve in a similar way, where his voters are backed by authority, ruling over and oppressing minorities or other targeted groups. Modi, Trump and Bibi are really leading their nation at the same direction, ethno-nationalism/fascism.

When this happened, I don't think a nice tolerance Christian family count, like a tolerance peace loving Hindu doesn't really count in India, or a peaceful Budhist doesn't really matter in Myanmar, the one that's matter is the one that government give sticks to rule over or beat up the others.
 
If I ruled the world maybe it'd be different, maybe better maybe worse.

If I could trade me for my son's mom, I would.

Those aren't options, so I'll run my house and hope it counts for something, for as long as it lasts.

I do know that I'm fortunate enough, where I live, to count as good friends(in meat space), white Americans, black Americans, Hispanic Americans, Chinese, Armenians, Russians, Canadians, a Bulgarian, and if we count people I've lost track of, the list would go on. Very lucky, I have been.

Edit: dammit, I forgot the Moldovan. Everyone forgets Moldova.
 
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