Would you support a Romani Gypsy nation being created in India?

[Mirc]

There is a huge difference between their way of life in Western Europe, where they retained their traditional, 'nomadic' way of life, and Central and Eastern Europe, where they've abandoned it.

This is how they live now:




Yes, the stuff under the windows is trash.

Exactly. I can't find such pictures on the Internet, but here are some:

This is how they live in Romania:


Gypsies "integrated" into European society:

 

[Bill3000]

Do the Gypsies even want their own nation-state? Is there a significant amount of Gypsies in the proposed region? Do the Gypsies consider the proposed region as their promised homeland or something similar, or does it have no special meaning for them outside of their original location? Would they not be satisfied with a different proposed region? Does the proposed region have a relatively low population density?

If the above questions cannot be satisfied, then it isn't a proper comparison.

 

[Goonie]

Winner, perhaps there is no garbage collection for those people? Perhaps there is no local dump?

Most people would not chose to live that way.

You are so hate filled. It truly disturbs me.

 

[Phlegmak]

There is a huge difference between their way of life in Western Europe, where they retained their traditional, 'nomadic' way of life, and Central and Eastern Europe, where they've abandoned it.

This is how they live now:
Yes, the stuff under the windows is trash.

I just realized they were throwing their trash out of their windows. That's how it built up. Yikes.

Mirc and Winner, I don't doubt your accusations about the Gypsies much, but it looks like you chose to show the worst possible pictures. (Please tell me those are the worst pictures, not the average.)

 

[Winner]

Winner, perhaps there is no garbage collection for those people? Perhaps there is no local dump?

Jeez, you can visit the place and find for yourselves. Just a friendly advice for you - don't take any cash money with you and don't stay long, you might get hurt.

In Czech Rep., buses sometimes don't even stop in such places, because if they do, they're instantly demolished by gangs of teen gypsies.

You are so hate filled. It truly disturbs me.

I am what?

I am talking out of daily experience. What experience do you have with this so-called deprived minority?

Believe me, nobody would be happier if they stopped behaving like idiots and integrated into the society. I know some of them managed to get out of that misery and nobody discriminates against them. But the rest is just a royal pain in the butt.

And again, if you don't believe me, come to see for yourselves. I'll show you parts of my city where they live. In fact, I heard of many people from the Western Europe who changed their mind once they got a real-life experience with these people.

 

[Perfection]

Nope, no special treatment just because your ancesters' lives sucked.

 

[Winner]

I just realized they were throwing their trash out of their windows. That's how it built up. Yikes.

Mirc and Winner, I don't doubt your accusations about the Gypsies much, but it looks like you chose to show the worst possible pictures. (Please tell me those are the worst pictures, not the average.)

What I showed (Lunik 9) is one of the worst indeed. But the rest isn't much better. This is Chanov in Most (North-West Czech Rep.):



If you wonder why town/city authorities allow that, the answer is that they don't have much choice. At first, they tried to give them better housing in order to improve their conditions, but they destroyed the new apartments as well. After some time, they just stopped trying to help them - they don't want any help. They just want welfare benefits to make living.

It is in certain way similar to Parisian suburbs, the difference is these people are not immigrants, they have citizenship. It's not a fault of the society that they don't want to cooperate.

 

[Perfection]

Well, maybe you shouldn't have a pinko socialist welfare state then.

 

[Mirc]

I just realized they were throwing their trash out of their windows. That's how it built up. Yikes.

Mirc and Winner, I don't doubt your accusations about the Gypsies much, but it looks like you chose to show the worst possible pictures. (Please tell me those are the worst pictures, not the average.)

The first pic I posted is the average. The other 2 I posted are a bit worse than average, but definitely not extreme. There are much worse places, like the ones Winner posted.

 

[Winner]

Well, maybe you shouldn't have a pinko socialist welfare state then.

Good point, we shouldn't.

THIS is what happens when you cut the welfare. They riot and loot.

The worst thing is they often had so many children only to get more welfare (the government supports large families more here) from the state. They don't care what will happen to them, they don't send them to schools, they don't help them with studies, they send them to steal.

 

[Rossiya]

The Romani are too much in diaspora to be given a homeland. Look what happened when we gave the Jews Israel; there are more Jews outside Israel than in it. Look at Liberia, a place made for the African slaves to immigrate to from the Americas; these people make up a mere 2% of the total Liberian population. So that was also a waste of time. What I'm trying to say is that making homelands "artificially" for down-trodden peoples is nearly always useless.

Suppose we give the Roma a portion of India. Many native Indians will stay there, creating a situation much like in Israel, where there are many majority Muslim communities; so we are likely to have majority Indian communities in Romaland. And plus, how many Roma will actually have the money to, or even be willing to immigrate to this Romaland, if no rich Roma people give monetary aid, much like Nefesh B'Nefesh or Shavei Israel do for Jews wishing to make aliyah and immigrate to Israel?

 

[Perfection]

Maybe you could pin some rules on that welfare crap. So, if your kid goes to school and gets decent marks you get your money if not tough luck, and if you get a subsudized housing thing, you have to not trash it or get kicked out. Somefin' like dat. Then you can have your pinko socialist welfare state and not have damned freeloaders freeloading too much.

 

[CartesianFart]

On regarding the ethnicity of the Gypisies being somewhat not able to grow and prosper as much as their whatever other ethnic counterparts in whatever nation that they dwell is not something an reasonable criteria to grant them their own statehood.

If in fact that granting statehood to a certain ethnic group will be something of a problem in all of the world by allowing every ethnic group to have their own statehood which will in consequence produce more nations to handle many more nations. I find that tribalizing the planet by having every ethnic group their own national identity a disasterous way to achieve stability and world peace instead what we are doing now: that is using nations that consist of constituent parts of ethic groups into one mass along side other nations that also have constituent parts of ethic groups inorder so that collectivistic goals can be achieved for world stability.

 

[Winner]

British Helsinki Human Rights Group: Slovakia's Roma Shame

This article can give you a glimpse of the situation in Eastern Slovakia - one of the worst areas.

 

[Winner]

Maybe you could pin some rules on that welfare crap. So, if your kid goes to school and gets decent marks you get your money if not tough luck, and if you get a subsudized housing thing, you have to not trash it or get kicked out. Somefin' like dat. Then you can have your pinko socialist welfare state and not have damned freeloaders freeloading too much.

Well, if we did that, politically correct pseudo-humanist idiots would yell "racism! racism!" and the rest of Europe would condemn us for our "mistreatment" of Roma - as usual. It's always a fault of the majority.

 

[Perfection]

Ethnic groups suck, if you belong to an ethnicity it should only influence superficial crap like what's your intoxicant of choice, what kinda stuff you wear at your wedding and what your grandma's secret recipe is not weather or not you're a malignant boil on society's ass.

 

[amadeus]

Ethnic groups suck, if you belong to an ethnicity it should only influence superficial crap like what's your intoxicant of choice, what kinda stuff you wear at your wedding and what your grandma's secret recipe is not weather or not you're a malignant boil on society's ass.

Nominated for BEST POST EVAR.

 

[Heretic_Cata]

@Winner's pictures & Mirc's pictures:

Those in winner's pics seem like they're doing not bad. The building looks like it was built recently (10-20 years) and is not a 50+ year old ruin of a historical monuments.
Mirc's pic with a house is kinda what is usually seen around here.
Mirc's pic with those living in city dumps is quite usual. Those who don't have a home live there - and there are a lot who don't have a hope.

Ethnic groups suck, if you belong to an ethnicity it should only influence superficial crap like what's your intoxicant of choice, what kinda stuff you wear at your wedding and what your grandma's secret recipe is not weather or not you're a malignant boil on society's ass.

So true - that's exactly what happens to turks/greeks/tatars/jews here.
Not with gypsies tho ...

 

[Winner]

So true - that's exactly what happens to turks/greeks/tatars/jews here.
Not with gypsies tho ...

It's ironic but even the Vietnamese who started coming to the Czech Rep. only 20 years ago are now better integrated than Gypsies who have lived here for centuries...

 

[Heretic_Cata]

It's ironic but even the Vietnamese who started coming to the Czech Rep. only 20 years ago are now better integrated than Gypsies who have lived here for centuries...

Oh, i forgot to mention the chineese.
The conversation we had with that couple was quite wierd. I kept wanting to say "But ... you're chineese." . I mean they acted as if they've been here for ages. I wasn't thinking of anything bad with that remark, it's just that it felt really wierd - gimme a break, i was a kid and it was the first chineese person i saw so of course i couldn't believe they were just like me. (and yes i am aware how incredibly wierd this post sounds )