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Would You Support the Death Penalty If....

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Zardnaar, Jun 18, 2010.

  1. Deego3

    Deego3 Prince

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    But it's not the police that executes a criminal, it's the state/country.. The police have no say in whether the criminal lives or dies, all they do is collect the evedence.
     
  2. Silurian

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    The police collect the evidence but too many times they stop looking if it fits the suspect they have.
    If the police (who are part of the state) gather the evidence and give it to someone to use to kill a person why should they not take the responsibility for killing the wrong person.
     
  3. civver_764

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    Agreed 100%.
     
  4. Deego3

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    The police shouldn't take responsibility because they haven't done anything wrong. They have collected evidence to see if the suspect they have is innocent or guilty. They don't add in their own opinions into the case, they can't manipulate the evidence.

    My argument dosn't hold if they do exexcute the wrong person, but the original post was if the person is 100% guilty.
     
  5. Cutlass

    Cutlass The Man Who Wasn't There.

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    Andy Rooney said it best: "Some murderers make it hard to oppose the death penalty."

    That said:

    • There is no way to guarantee that the innocent won't be executed.
    • We know with certainty that criminal justice accuracy is too low to justify the risk morally.
    • We know with certainty that there is bias in who is sentenced to death.
    • There is no practical deterrent value to the death penalty.
    • The costs needed to reduce uncertainty exceed the costs of life imprisonment.
    • And even with uncertainty reduced, innocents will be executed.
    • In America, at least, the presumption should be against the government's case. Not using the threat of execution to make the government's job easier.
     
  6. Silurian

    Silurian Deity

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    If they are 100% sure they have nothing to worry about.

    Do you think the the people who were convicted of the Guildford or Woolwich pub bombings would have hung if the UK had the death penalty.

    The police haven't done anything wrong. They have collected evidence to see if the suspect they have is innocent or guilty. They don't add in their own opinions into the case, they can't manipulate the evidence.
     
  7. emzie

    emzie wicked witch of the North

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    Yeah, I absolutely would. Though I'd add the stipulation that the punishment was applied without bias in regards to race / socioeconomic factors.

    Human life isn't sacred. I'm in favour of executing the worst of the worst just so I don't have to bother with them.
     
  8. El_Machinae

    El_Machinae Colour vision since 2018 Retired Moderator

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    I don't support the death penalty, because I don't think it saves lives. I believe that governments that actively have a death penalty are formed of populaces that are essentially more barbaric than need be. This means that the society will be more vicious, and thus more likely to hurt its own members.

    If the death penalty had a reasonable chance of being an actual deterrence to not only murder but the rest of socially-spawned internecine violence, then I'd be will to accept it under the conditions listed. I'd still be nervous, though, in that I don't think a government should be able to kill its own citizens. To sum, I think that a society will have less total violence if there's no death penalty, if only because the population will be less barbarous
     
  9. Zardnaar

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    Stealing food should also be a capital offence.
     
  10. Arakhor

    Arakhor Dremora Courtier Super Moderator

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    By carrying a handgun, you are implicitly saying that you will use it. Such a casual attitude to human life can easily lead to the support of capital punishment, which is the governmental approach to "human life is worthless". Either all life is worth protecting or you have a very strange set of morals.
     
  11. Mathilda

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    I'm having hard time understanding if this is meant as sarcasm, troll, spam or what.
    Maybe you could clarify :)
     
  12. Zardnaar

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  14. Zardnaar

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    Yeah I have a BBQ and bow here and worked as a knife hand for 5 years. If I found out who did it I could shoot them, fillet em and eat em.
     
  15. Arakhor

    Arakhor Dremora Courtier Super Moderator

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    And that is utterly morally repugnant.
     
  16. Terxpahseyton

    Terxpahseyton One. And many.

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    The death penalty is essentially this: Killing for the sake of satisfying an emotional need.

    I fail to see how society could benefit if this was encouraged.

    So: No.
     
  17. civ_king

    civ_king Deus Caritas Est

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    Tell us how s/he tasted
     
  18. Princeps

    Princeps More bombs than God

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    No. The death penalty is costly and most criminals can be potentially rehabilitated (even murderers and rapists). Criminals who are sick, like psychopaths and pedophiles, cannot really be punished as they never really chose their illness, so I don't support their termination either.

    I make an exception in this case. This deranged act of food larceny should be punishable to death by sharks.
     
  19. Camikaze

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    I don't really think that it's the death penalty itself that makes a society more barbarous. I would've put it as a symptom, not a cause. Regardless of which it is, I would think that it's not really about the difference between the net loss of lives with or without the death penalty (even if such a thing can be measured), but about the less pragmatic consideration of its moral justification. There are lots of measures that can be taken that would lead to less violence or death, but not all are moral, and I would think that the death penalty would fit into that category.
     
  20. El_Machinae

    El_Machinae Colour vision since 2018 Retired Moderator

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    Oh, sure. The answer I gave is very much specialised around the death penalty, and whether a society is allowed to kill in self-defense.
     

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