Would you wear a Hijab in solidarity?

[rah]

Is it much different than Catholic Nuns wearing habits.

 

[Akka]

Is it much different than Catholic Nuns wearing habits.

The nuns were specifically religious habits made to show subservience toward God.
The veil is for day to day live, and is to show modesty toward men.
Yeah, that's pretty much different.

 

[Farm Boy]

That is the hardest <whiff> I have seen in a while.

 

[rah]

The nuns were specifically religious habits made to show subservience toward God.
The veil is for day to day live, and is to show modesty toward men.
Yeah, that's pretty much different.

And who instructed the nuns to show subservience towards God? Clue, it was MEN.

 

[Ryika]

I'm not entirely familiar with the history of the nun, but I was under the expression that to become one you have to voluntarily take a vow to submit yourself to a life dedicated to (a) God?

While there is a similarity in that women are asked to hide their bodies more than men are (which seems to ultimately come from the same idea of placing the burden of preventing male lust onto women), it's hardly the same thing if it's something that you have to actively opt into, and is not forced onto you.

 

[rah]

Most of the women in the US are not FORCED to wear Hijabs, they choose to, to honor their religion or for tradition.
No different than the nuns. We had one nun the chose not to. When I asked the ones that did wear a habit, most of their answers involved god and religious tradition. Most of which was dictated by men. So while I agree that there are some small differences, there are many more similarities.

 

[Lexicus]

No. The hijab, while having religious significance for some, is also a symbol for a totalitarian, political ideology and system which oppresses women, takes away freedoms, and wants me tortured and murdered for my unbelief.

Absolute nonsense. The hijab is a symbol of chastity. It's not even exclusive to Islam.

PS: I will mostly drop my criticism of hijabs and these stupid suggestions when no woman in the world need to fear that the state will come after them for not covering up.

Yet you have no problem with, say, the French state taking action against women for wearing the hijab of their own accord. Inconsistent is the most generous way to characterize such a position.

 

[Akka]

And who instructed the nuns to show subservience towards God? Clue, it was MEN.

That's completely missing the point.

While there is a similarity in that women are asked to hide their bodies more than men are (which seems to ultimately come from the same idea of placing the burden of preventing male lust onto women)

Notice that monks have their bald patch as a male counterpart of nuns hiding their hair.

 

[Ryika]

Most of the women in the US are not FORCED to wear Hijabs, they choose to, to honor their religion or for tradition.

I mean... yeah, I sort of agree with that. But... who were you even responding to then? I don't think anybody has claimed that Western Muslims are oppressed by wearing the Hijab?
Although, in the context of Germany, many Muslims are certainly still heavily pressured into wearing the Hijab, in many cases that can probably accurately described as being forced.

Notice that monks have their bald patch as a male counterpart of nuns hiding their hair.

That just makes them look really hot though.

 

[rah]

But... who were you even responding to then

Akka, who thinks the two are that different.

 

[Ryika]

Akka made a general point about it, he was not referring to America.

And Akka was absolutely correct in that the two are different, one religion required all women to wear a specific kind of clothing for most of its history, and it is only a rather recent, and somewhat western-focused occurrence that women are no longer forced to cover up their heads, the other religion has never required women in general to cover up, only those who wanted to become direct servants of their God.

 

[rah]

one religion required all NUNs to wear a specific kind of clothing for most of its history, and it is only a rather recent, and somewhat western-focused occurrence that Nuns are no longer forced to cover up their heads,

Na, no similarities at all.

 

[Akka]

Na, no similarities at all.

Obviously, if you're going to ignore all the differences (that one is about people who specifically dedicated their live to God, and it's about dressing specifically for God, while the other is about all women, and it's about dressing for all men), then it's not different. Duh. Knock knock, someone in here somewhere ?

 

[civver_764]

Oh my god

 

[Farm Boy]

Stretch before you pull something.

 

[rah]

and it's about dressing specifically for God,

Yeah, God told them to dress for him.
Men told them how to dress.
And in days of old, not all Nuns were volunteers.
And I don't remember saying anywhere that it was exactly the same. I was pointing out similarities, that if you wish to ignore, fine, but it doesn't make them go away.

 

[Lexicus]

http://www.suppressedhistories.net/articles/veil.html

Good article explaining that rah is, if anything, understating the connections. Those claiming Christianity is totally different from Islam wrt to veiling, to put it lightly, have no idea what the hell they're talking about.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Yeah, God told them to dress for him.
Men told them how to dress.
And in days of old, not all Nuns were volunteers.
And I don't remember saying anywhere that it was exactly the same. I was pointing out similarities, that if you wish to ignore, fine, but it doesn't make them go away.

You missed the point. If Akka the almighty doesn't see a similarity it isn't because he is ignoring it, it is because it is not there. And who said Frenchmen aren't religious?

 

[rah]

Yeah, thx, much better than I was explaining it.

http://www.suppressedhistories.net/articles/veil.html

Good article explaining that rah is, if anything, understating the connections. Those claiming Christianity is totally different from Islam wrt to veiling, to put it lightly, have no idea what the hell they're talking about.

Yeah, thanks for that. It explained it much better than I did.

Paintings of urban women in western Europe often show everything covered except the face and hands. Itwas common to drape the neck and even sometimes the lower face in a wimple. This became part of the classic nun's garb that represents the most conservative style of female dress in the Christian world. It drew on the traditional head-veil of patrician Roman women, though the wimple may have Hunnic roots.

 

[Mouthwash]

http://www.suppressedhistories.net/articles/veil.html

Good article explaining that rah is, if anything, understating the connections. Those claiming Christianity is totally different from Islam wrt to veiling, to put it lightly, have no idea what the hell they're talking about.

Christianity is not a code of law. Islam is. To be a Muslim you must follow Shariah (which is a synthesis of Arab tribal codes and various Mediterranean customs).

I should add that merely covering one's hair is not the same thing as wearing a hijab. The latter takes away the outline of the head, shoulders and hair itself, so that women appear to be mere packages.