So, I finally finished my first game of BTS. Its still Civ 4, so I like it. But...what the heck is going on with some of this stuff.
First off, I go to war with Wang Kon. I wanted a short war, in and out babeeee...No dice, sir. You must war for all eternity, two countries, pitched in immortal battle until every man has fallen, every city destroyed, plundered, and raped. There is no surrender, no peace, no "kissing and making up." Seriously. No joke.
I literally had to wipe out every city Wang Kon had because he refused to talk the entire time. Im not talking a 10 to 20 turn period here. Im talking 50+. I had cities that were around +10
because of war weariness. It ran my economy into the ground, cities were shrinking because of starvation. I had the culture bar at 80% with Odeons and Theaters everywhere and still some of these cities were -2 or -3 unhappiness.
Had anyone else had a situation where they couldnt make peace because the leader refused to talk? I was willing to give the guy some cities back to stop this war, but I was not allowed, by the games mechanics, to even talk to the crazy fool. This also happened to me in a Hot Seat game with Elizabeth. Absolutely refused to talk to me.
Then, after I had finally recovered I had maybe 20 cities under my control. Im cruising to a space race victory and then the Apostolic Palace rears its grizzly, weathered, bloody mane in my face. Zara Yaqob (dont like this jabroni) throws up a resolution for me to return one of his cities (a war he started where I couldnt make peace until I took two of his cities that he planted on the tundra and ice in my continent, mind you, thank ya very much) I vote no. Bam! Next turn, bye-bye crappy city. I had 5 votes, he had 470+ and voted it in all by himself. Some odd number of turns later he votes himself in for the win.
Now, this seems completely abusive to me if done properly. Religions simply do not spread like they did in Warlords. Plus, you can practically rule out the other continent in terms of voting since, most likely, the religion wont be too strong on that side of the world. When I saw the option for a Diplomatic Victory, I just stared at the screen stunned. I knew he was going to vote himself winner. He had like...almost 480 votes out of roughly 600 (screen shot to be attached.) Im really not so sure I like this Apostolic Palace thing.
Anyway, sorry for the long winded post. Anyone else have similar incidents? Or perhaps ways to prevent this kind of a loss? Its not like I can force him to send me some missionaries, right?
First off, I go to war with Wang Kon. I wanted a short war, in and out babeeee...No dice, sir. You must war for all eternity, two countries, pitched in immortal battle until every man has fallen, every city destroyed, plundered, and raped. There is no surrender, no peace, no "kissing and making up." Seriously. No joke.
I literally had to wipe out every city Wang Kon had because he refused to talk the entire time. Im not talking a 10 to 20 turn period here. Im talking 50+. I had cities that were around +10
because of war weariness. It ran my economy into the ground, cities were shrinking because of starvation. I had the culture bar at 80% with Odeons and Theaters everywhere and still some of these cities were -2 or -3 unhappiness.Had anyone else had a situation where they couldnt make peace because the leader refused to talk? I was willing to give the guy some cities back to stop this war, but I was not allowed, by the games mechanics, to even talk to the crazy fool. This also happened to me in a Hot Seat game with Elizabeth. Absolutely refused to talk to me.
Then, after I had finally recovered I had maybe 20 cities under my control. Im cruising to a space race victory and then the Apostolic Palace rears its grizzly, weathered, bloody mane in my face. Zara Yaqob (dont like this jabroni) throws up a resolution for me to return one of his cities (a war he started where I couldnt make peace until I took two of his cities that he planted on the tundra and ice in my continent, mind you, thank ya very much) I vote no. Bam! Next turn, bye-bye crappy city. I had 5 votes, he had 470+ and voted it in all by himself. Some odd number of turns later he votes himself in for the win.
Now, this seems completely abusive to me if done properly. Religions simply do not spread like they did in Warlords. Plus, you can practically rule out the other continent in terms of voting since, most likely, the religion wont be too strong on that side of the world. When I saw the option for a Diplomatic Victory, I just stared at the screen stunned. I knew he was going to vote himself winner. He had like...almost 480 votes out of roughly 600 (screen shot to be attached.) Im really not so sure I like this Apostolic Palace thing.
Anyway, sorry for the long winded post. Anyone else have similar incidents? Or perhaps ways to prevent this kind of a loss? Its not like I can force him to send me some missionaries, right?
