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I doubt NickyJ would be this interested if Obama was a WASP.
The certificate of live birth is probably authentic. But that doesn't mean anything, since anybody can get an authentic certificate of live birth, even if they don't live in the U.S. What really matters is the birth certificate. (And, as I have stated before, certificates of live birth are not the same as birth certificates.sorry, i could not resist
i was trying to make a point....unless i read something wrong, wasnt Squarg claiming that the aformentioned birth certificate/ of live birth was authentic? how could that be if on the bottom, it reads....
Yes, but that was because it was already mentioned, and it had some pretty debatable stuff. After that, it went on into a debate. Not very bad. But now it's just gone into spam that contributes nothing to the discussion.
er, it's debatable to the extent that the-government-did-9/11 is debatable
I have yet to see a birther that was not born in Hawaii produce one issued by Hawaii to them.The certificate of live birth is probably authentic. But that doesn't mean anything, since anybody can get an authentic certificate of live birth,
Correct. They either aren't running for office, or have already released their birth certificate. Your point?I have yet to see a birther that was not born in Hawaii produce one issued by Hawaii to them.
My point is, if it was so easy, a birther would have done it and publicoized it already.Correct. They either aren't running for office, or have already released their birth certificate. Your point?
The certificate of live birth is probably authentic. But that doesn't mean anything, since anybody can get an authentic certificate of live birth, even if they don't live in the U.S. What really matters is the birth certificate. (And, as I have stated before, certificates of live birth are not the same as birth certificates.
True, but I doubt there are any birthers who are having children and plan on moving to Hawaii anytime soon.My point is, if it was so easy, a birther would have done it and publicoized it already.
Alright, you have worked me into a corner that I cannot back out of. (And I'm not terribly disappointed about it either. ) With the evidence you have provided, I can definitely say it is fake. Thank you for pointing that out.but it says BIRTHPLACE: KENYA ?????
There are plenty of birthers making the claim that a Hawaiian COLB is easy to get for an out-of-stater - anyone can get one from Hawaii goes the claim - yet not a single one has.True, but I doubt there are any birthers who are having children and plan on moving to Hawaii anytime soon.
I shall give a hearty "NO" as an answer. Two reasons: I object to test tube babies being made (I will not go further since it would go way off topic), and because I am not inclined to have a child and move to Hawaii.Why don't you get a test-tube baby, move to Hawaii, and try it out for yourself?
Because nobody has any real interest in doing so.There are plenty of birthers making the claim that a Hawaiian COLB is easy to get for an out-of-stater - anyone can get one from Hawaii goes the claim - yet not a single one has.
You don't have to keep the baby. Failing that, I'm sure you can find a birther who is pregnant.I shall give a hearty "NO" as an answer. Two reasons: I object to test tube babies being made.
So you don't believe in your theories enough to actualy find proof, and instead you bady photoshopped birth certificates which were submitted to court as unverified photocopies?and because I am not inclined to have a child and move to Hawaii.
No one is interested in backing their absurd claim?Because nobody has any real interest in doing so.
If I'm going to have a child, I'm never going to abandon him. Anyway, this is beside the point.You don't have to keep the baby. Failing that, I'm sure you can find a birther who is pregnant.
I believe in it. But you know what? I'm not going to get myself a child for experimentation purposes and give up my life and move to Hawaii just for some random person on the internet. Sorry. Nope. Ain't gonna happen. If you don't believe the birthers, it ain't my problem. And "bady photoshopped birth certificates"? Where, oh where, did you get that from? Where in this topic have I provided images of birth certificates? By all means, enlighten me.So you don't believe in your theories enough to actualy find proof, and instead you bady photoshopped birth certificates which were submitted to court as unverified photocopies?
I'm dissapointed.
Firstly, it isn't absurd. Secondly, they have no interest in wasting their time when people will still deny it even when provided with proof. Thirdly, they have even less interest in wasting their time for random people on the internet.No one is interested in backing their absurd claim?
McCain was born at Coco Solo Naval Air Station. And regardless of where he was born, both parents were citizens of the United States, so no problems their. Same case for Goldwater.John McCain was born in the Panama Zone and Barry Goldwater was born in the Az "territory"
Incorrect. It does matter. Obama wasn't born to two U.S. parents, and so far, he has failed to prove that he was born in the U.S. And frankly, I don't know where you are going with this voters and "all men are created equal" stuff. They have nothing to do with the discussion at hand.and it wouldn't matter where Obama was born either - their authority comes from the voters, not where they popped outta Momma... The law is anachronistic and generally at odds with the founding principle of "all men are created equal"...
Alright, you have worked me into a corner that I cannot back out of. (And I'm not terribly disappointed about it either. ) With the evidence you have provided, I can definitely say it is fake. Thank you for pointing that out.
John McCain was born in the Panama Zone and Barry Goldwater was born in the Az "territory"
and it wouldn't matter where Obama was born either - their authority comes from the voters, not where they popped outta Momma... The law is anachronistic and generally at odds with the founding principle of "all men are created equal"...
Until at least one of the dozens of birthers actually proves how easy it is, it is absurd.Firstly, it isn't absurd.
So birthers want proof for what has already been proven (O'Bama born in Honolulu), but can't be bothered to provide so-called easily obtainable proof themselves.Secondly, they have no interest in wasting their time when people will still deny it even when provided with proof.
That ship sailed in 2008.Thirdly, they have even less interest in wasting their time for random people on the internet.