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You guys use governors?

Discussion in 'Civ3 - Strategy & Tips' started by Melhisedek, Jul 14, 2005.

  1. Melhisedek

    Melhisedek Chieftain

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    As I heard that you can't use them on higher difficulties I would like to manage without them :)

    Or should I shut up and use them untill I'm better (still on Warlord)
     
  2. Bluemofia

    Bluemofia F=ma

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    I don't use them what so ever, with the exception of managing citizen moods.

    The difference between Chieften and Regent, IMO, is Micromanaging. Chieften can be managed with the lack of it, while Regent requires it.
     
  3. vmxa

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    No I do not use govs. I do not think MM is required for Regent, but it does benefit from it.

    I guess it depends on what you mean by MM. If you mean not automating govs and workers, then I agree. I do not call that MM. I think of MM as managing citizens. Going through towns and seeing to it that they are on the right tiles and jobs as well has moving workers.

    Checking for waste of food and shields and getting towns and cities to level that makes what you need with little or no waste of either.
     
  4. gunkulator

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    The happiness governor is useful if you are quelling resistance. Those new working citizens will always be unhappy. Since quelling occurs IBT, you can't act to counter the unhappiness and a riot often is the result. The happiness governor can and will act IBT to prevent the riot. Very useful if you need to rush a barracks, walls, harbor, or whatever asap.

    And although it is blasphemy here, I will occasionally turn on the happiness governor in a wonder building city. We all forget to check happiness from time to time. Better to lose a few shields than all of them like you do in a riot.
     
  5. Whomp

    Whomp Keep Calm and Carry On Retired Moderator

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    I didn't think so until DocT wrote this in our SG.
     
  6. Zorn

    Zorn Chieftain

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    I use them to manage citizen moods when I have more then 50 cities.
     
  7. Bluemofia

    Bluemofia F=ma

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    Yes, that is what I ment. I refer anything not using governors or not automating workers as MM.
     
  8. TimBentley

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    I agree with DocT. I don't ever turn off emphasize production; I just MM when cities grow when there are many. I think it is hypothetically possible for emphasize commerce to help in a specific situation (the high-shield tile would have to produce more gold than the high-food tile), but I haven't seen that situation.
     
  9. Invisible Rhino

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    I only MM very early in the game. When I have more than 20 cities I find MM very tedious and usually switch to governors, with the exception of core cities that I'm actually getting useful stuff out of. Border/Corrupt areas it doesn't really matter to me.

    In any case when I'm in anarchy I'll always have the governors turned on since otherwise you never know when an angry mob is going to destroy a building.
     
  10. josephstalin

    josephstalin Kremlin Highlander

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    I try to micromanage all cities. Governors are useful in some instances, but they ussually make terrible mistakes and built exactly what I never want.
     
  11. Pentium

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    I use governor to manage citizen mood during WW and Anarchy (except that one city with a scientist). I've used production governor once in a 20k game, where I got bored and just wanted to finish ASAP. Otherwise, never. I try to have enough luxuries to keep all my people happy, without specialists.
     
  12. Tone

    Tone Chieftain Hall of Fame Staff

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    I've never had a rioting city lose an improvement during the first turn. Is this impossible or just my good fortune?

    When I go into revolution, I zoom in on the first city that riots and scroll through the rest, employing specialists as required so I only have one city rioting for one turn and it's no loss if it is not going to produce anything athat turn anyway. I don't use the governors for this anymore as they always employs clowns when often a scientist/taxman can be used to. This can make a significant difference with large empires and long revolutions.
     
  13. Tomoyo

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    I don't think improvements can be lost on the first turn of rioting. You can kinda use this to your advantage to alleviate starving during anarchy by alternating starving turns with rioting turns.
     
  14. Tone

    Tone Chieftain Hall of Fame Staff

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    Good to see you're back, Tomoyo! :)

    I've never considered this. Do you know if that tactic an acceptable one in GOTM and HoF games?
     
  15. Tomoyo

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    I don't really know, I would think it's allowed. It's "dastardly" in the RBCiv rules.

    I'm not back to full posting capacity, though.
     
  16. Fried Egg

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    I use governers only to manage citizen moods however I do occaisionally manage particular cities myself in exceptional circumstances.

    I have tried defaulting new cities to not managing moods but I find it a real pain when a town suddenly starts rioting and I lose a turn's production. I would rather just let my government prevent this rather than having to try and anticipate riots in advance myself.
     
  17. Tone

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    That's what CAII or MapStat are for! Keep the alerts on and you get the new citizen's first turn production for free. You then respond to the alerts by increasing the lux slider or employing/altering specialists before you press the space bar at the end of your turn. Many four turn settler factories use this technique. If the governor controls moods, you need to predict future unhappiness and alter the lux slider setting in advance if you want that citizen to work rather than entertain.

    I found switching off the city governor a major factor in moving up to the highest levels and I do this in all levels now. The increased power of scientists and taxmen, plus the additional specialists in C3C means that the clowns that the computer always assigns is not always the best option. The computer just stops riots but does not consider which specialist is best for the job in that city. For example, a very large empire can have 0% research but still be the tech leader by having scientist farms in corrupt areas. Alternatively even a few scientists can knock a turn off the research time or a policeman can reduce the build time by one turn in borderline cases but you can only do this if you are in control. I guess it depends upon how much mm you want to do.
     
  18. Fried Egg

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    I will look at those utilities you linked to...thanks.

    But I was wondering if it's possible to leave managed citizen moods on whilst occaisionally turning entertainers into taxmen or scientists without stopping the governer from managing moods (like it does if you attempt to re-assign which tiles are being worked)?

    I ask because it seems to me that having non-entertainment specialists is only really necessary either in your really corrupt cities, or else cities that have grown so large that there are no available tiles to work.
     
  19. Tone

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    They both do so much more than warn you about riots BTW. CAII is absolutely awesome. I'm not sure how I managed without them!

    I don't *think* so but maybe you could try it out. The main reason I don't let govs manage moods though is the one turn of lost production of new (unhappy) citizens.

    I believe that every little helps. In the early game a few gps/turn extra can make a big difference. If you have two cities that have one more unhappy citizen than happy ones, you don't need clowns, you need taxmen or scientists. two taxmen=4gpt. two scientists=6 beakers/turn. With a small number of cities in the early game, this happens quite a lot and this small increase in revenue or research capacity can make the difference between being able to make a trade or getting to a new tech first.
     
  20. Abdomination

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    I wish I could make it manage moods, but then control where the working is done, without turning mood control off
     

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