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And the Allied and Comintern troops who died to free Europe didn't achieve anything?
of course. it's just moot to them.
And the Allied and Comintern troops who died to free Europe didn't achieve anything?
of course. it's just moot to them.
Live free or die trying. Maybe that can be altered to accommodate the despotic tendencies of the Dali Lama, but the point stands.
If an ideal isn't worth dying for, then what point is there in trying every method one has to accomplish said ideal?
i do not understand what my willingness to die for an ideal has to do with its quality?
Quality is irrelevant. If I want to die to fight for free pancakes from IHOP every tuesday then so be it.
My point is that a deeply held conviction that one wishes to live by and help one's children and such live by must be backed by one's life or it isn't such a deeply held conviction after all.
yeah. but holding convictions that deeply hasnt turned out that well over the course of history...
American Revolution
French Revolution
Italian Unification
Gandhi's efforts to free India
Martin Luther King Jr.'s efforts to bring equality to blacks in America
Must I go on?
no. and i wont start with listing opposite examples. i could additionally say that all those fights killed people that were NOT eager to die for the respective ideal.
but in the end it all comes down to this anyway: one's death renders everything moot including whatever high cause you died for.
Not if you believe in an afterlife...
But that's an argument for another thread and another time.
(could work for the Chinese in the long run... i wonder why don't they try that)
In the 18th century it took British reinforcements weeks to arrive. The British were largely outnumbered and training and technology was about equal on both sides (you could say Americans were better trained since the Brits only were trained for classical battelfield warfare).If they want their freedom so much, why don't they all rise up in the manner that the Americans did in 1775? If out Forefathers could have risen up to defeat the most powerful nation on planet Earth, why can't Tibet rise up to defeat the second most powerful?
The deserve to be independent. That's what it's citizens want so I don't get how so many people think they deserve subjugation? Don't you remember your own history Americans? And the British weren't half as bad to us and the Chinese were to the Tibetans.
If only there was oil under Tibet. Then EcoFarm and MobBoss would demand we "bring them democracy"!
No I never said they did. My point here is that no one is questioning that the 13 colonies was wrong to revolt and yet the Chinese have a far more brutal history with Tibet than the British ever did with their American colonies.Yeah, and the British just handed independence to us on a silver platter because we asked nicely, right?
I recognize that Tibet exists. Beyond that nothing, they need China. Or India. Point being they can't go it alone.
A question of popular sovereignty? I have no doubt that if you were to take a fair election of all who reside in the TAR, the vast majority would favor the People's Republic of China. But you protest- the Tibetans were there first, and it is only because of the immigrant Han Chinese that the polls came that way! Yet should we kick all the whites out of America because the Amerindians would have kicked them out if they could in the 17th century?
No and no. The Chinese have exerted their influence over Tibet, and soon will bring their empire and cultural clout over Asia, as the Europeans have done to the Americas.
Tibet used to survive on its own before 1950, so why not now?
The Kingdom of Bhutan next door is what my best bet on what Tibet would look like and how it would operate and they have cope extremely well, i remember reading they were one of the happeist countries in the world Bhutan and yet they consist of mostly farmers. So this they won't survive on it's own is BS
Tibet to all appearance seems to be part of China, I see no reason why it is its own country. It would be like asking if Hawaii is its own country.
If they want their freedom so much, why don't they all rise up in the manner that the Americans did in 1775? If out Forefathers could have risen up to defeat the most powerful nation on planet Earth, why can't Tibet rise up to defeat the second most powerful?
Should they fail, the terrible deaths that they would receive would further turn the world against China and cause terrible repercussions if exploited by shrewd politicians.
If they want their freedom so much, why don't they all rise up in the manner that the Americans did in 1775? If out Forefathers could have risen up to defeat the most powerful nation on planet Earth, why can't Tibet rise up to defeat the second most powerful?
Should they fail, the terrible deaths that they would receive would further turn the world against China and cause terrible repercussions if exploited by shrewd politicians.
Well you guys had the help of France and Spain, who's gonna help Tibet?