Your Star Wars VII?

[Zardnaar]

Well with the new Star Wars Trilogy what would you have done a new Star Wars Trilogy? Disney didn't have a plan and turned in 3 movies that beyond the cast had no real relationship to each other.

I'm assuming they go with episodes VII-IX vs an original trilogy.

Here's what I would have done in broad terms.

1. VII-IX Skywaler Saga. If I wasn't using Skywalkers I wouldn't call it episodes VII-IX

2. Female Jedi lead. We've had two trilogies with males and there's nothing in the lore preventing female Jedi (or anything else generally). I'll go with Rey as a name it's fine even same actor

3. Rey didn't need to be a Skywalker herself. If she wasn't a Skywalker I wouldn't have her take the name. She would have had a relationship though with them eg Luke's star pupil or trained with Ben.

4. Emperor probably would not have returned. If he did it would be clear to the audience in Episode 7 and it's via cloning and the dark side. This is to tie it to the prequel trilogy.

5. Rey would have had Jedi training. This is to explain her force affinity and to avoid copying Luke's backstory. Jedi would also be around due to Lujes efforts in OT and not copying the fall of the Jedi in the PT.

6. No Star Killer base. Probably would not use Starkiller base or super weapons in general.

7. Would not have killed off the villain in episode VIII without a replacement.


8. If the republic was gonna fall (again) climatic battle at the end of VII would be the fall of Coruscant instead of Star Killer base.

9. No First Order. Villains would be Palpatine returning with hidden Imperial forces or new faction.

10. Older characters would pass the torch to the new ones without being jobbed out. Would not have killed off all of the Skywalker bloodline. Eg if Ben still dies he had a sister or Luke would have had a daughter or something.


That's mostly it. Assuming they didn't go with a new story completly

 

[r16]

it is a Skywalker story through the beginning to the end . It was drummed into Team Abrams despite all their resistance and whatnot .

 

[Gelion]

1. Re-shoot I-III based on extended universe. Take the few actors that can still act (maybe from theatre?).
2. Make the coming of Empire into being less obvious.
3. Make the Jedi actually care about the people they were supposedly protecting ("A Jedi doesn't attack" - Yoda, episode (V?)).
4. Remove midichlorians. Being a Jedi is about spirit, not part of a disguised super race.
5. Make Blasters a new thing in the episodes. In a galaxy far-far away old Ben talked about swords as a relic of a more "civilised era". Lets see that era.
6. Up the MPAA from 5-10 or whatever it was to 15+. Or at least make episodes i-III as "mature" as episodes IV-VI.
7. No 1/2 hour pod racing, no children genocide, no "dying from being sad" idiocy. That means basically re-writing the entire plot.
8. Complete re-write of Anakyn Skywalker. He was supposed to be a great pilot when Ben met him. Lets see that.
9. No Tatoine, more Aldebaran, Coruscant, Kashyyk etc.
10. Episode VII? Just continue the storyline, maybe about Luke's children, but not how it was actually done.

 

[Gorbles]

Disney didn't have a plan and turned in 3 movies that beyond the cast had no real relationship to each other.

Disagree.

I'm pretty happy with how they turned out. IX was the weakest of the three, but not because of the obvious plot twist / explanation. Other reasons, mainly the total shift from VIII.

Sure, there are things I'd change. But who knows. I'd make a movie I liked, probably. But who else would?

/opinion

 

[r16]

the Jedi not "caring" for people is an essential part of Anakin's fall . And no , the Prequels are rock solid , to be seen sometime in the future . They are travelling between the stars for 25 000 years , blasters can not be anything new .

 

[Gelion]

the Jedi not "caring" for people is an essential part of Anakin's fall . And no , the Prequels are rock solid , to be seen sometime in the future . They are travelling between the stars for 25 000 years , blasters can not be anything new .

We'll send out new waves. With blackjack and proper sith. As for Anakin's character he was a whiny little person when he was picked up, a whiny teenager when the started to supposedly get corrupted and a whiny adult when he finished. Anakin's supposed goodness is as real as the kindness of Elves in Jackson's Lord of the Rings. Great orcs, terrible Elves in those movies.

What I meant is that Obi-Wan Kenobi referred to the light sabres as a "civilized weapons". Come to think of it, it may have been a translated version. I'm going to check.

EDIT: Ben said that "your uncle told your father that he should have stayed here and not fight in the clone wars". So Anakin was a native of Tatooine and old enough to know his brother.
"Not as clumsy or random as a blaster, an elegant weapon for a more civilized age". Well, I was incorrect there, but according to this Ben might have remembered a time where light sabres were used more than blasters. Still, a translation issue.

EDIT 2: Watch this. Starts at 6:30. EDIT3: 33:08 - prophetic

 

[MaryKB]

Disagree.

I'm pretty happy with how they turned out. IX was the weakest of the three, but not because of the obvious plot twist / explanation. Other reasons, mainly the total shift from VIII.

Sure, there are things I'd change. But who knows. I'd make a movie I liked, probably. But who else would?

/opinion

Same, except I felt 9 was the best and 8 was the weakest.

 

[r16]

anakin is not a native of Tatooine , he becomes step-brothers with Owen when his mother marries the latter's father and their whole interaction is limited to a period during ll . Just a doctored version by Obi Wan and it is not the only half truth Luke will be told along the way . Lightsaber is a weapon from a civilized age , where individual Jedi could solve problems without spaceships killing billions , as the Empire will do with the Tarkin way of doing things .

and yeah , Anakin . Considering the Rebellion was allowed to fester by Palpatine and the actual rationale for the Death Star was forcing Yoda to dispatch whatever champion the Light Side had cooked up since destruction of the Jedi order , without the whiny boy you can not have Star Wars . It was the whiny boy who saved Palpatine in Coruscant while duelling in Mustafar , because if Yoda had killed the Sith , the Balance in Force would have made Anakin the Sith , and it would be a lot harder . And the best movie in the Franchise must be lll , because V suddenly becomes even better when you know what's going on .

 

[Gori the Grey]

I gave mine in a set of discussions after VIII.

You can have everything up to and through VIII (except Space Monte Carlo, and mutiny-oh-my-bad-backsies) (which is admittedly a lot of VIII)

But then, in IX, Snoke is back. He's reassembled himself (in fact the movie opens with his body parts scooching together and reassembling). Because he's Darth Plageius and has in the past and does now use the Force to overcome death.

Anakin, it turns out, was conceived in Shmi as a Force counter-balance to Plageius first using the Force to undo death (or the first time he uses that power on himself).

Rey is a real Skywalker. She teams up with Ben to defeat this yet-bigger-fish.

(He changes his name to Ban, and the two of them wear cool sunglasses blast-shields when they attack)

 

[Gelion]

anakin is not a native of Tatooine , he becomes step-brothers with Owen when his mother marries the latter's father and their whole interaction is limited to a period during ll . Just a doctored version by Obi Wan and it is not the only half truth Luke will be told along the way . Lightsaber is a weapon from a civilized age , where individual Jedi could solve problems without spaceships killing billions , as the Empire will do with the Tarkin way of doing things .

and yeah , Anakin . Considering the Rebellion was allowed to fester by Palpatine and the actual rationale for the Death Star was forcing Yoda to dispatch whatever champion the Light Side had cooked up since destruction of the Jedi order , without the whiny boy you can not have Star Wars . It was the whiny boy who saved Palpatine in Coruscant while duelling in Mustafar , because if Yoda had killed the Sith , the Balance in Force would have made Anakin the Sith , and it would be a lot harder . And the best movie in the Franchise must be lll , because V suddenly becomes even better when you know what's going on .

I still think that they made a bad job with the prequels, memes aside. I've given a video link that summarises part of my reasoning. There was no talk about "Balance in the Force" until the prequels too btw.

 

[r16]

the first thing ı WILL do is fixing Darth Maul .

and prequels existed as the original triology was being made . Like as in a single page in a notebook but George Lucas never licensed anyone to deal with the Clone Wars and whatnot until he released the basic outline by 1999 . While it was a free for all for the period after Endor .

and Rey , some 30 years before she was named Rey , was a Skywalker . Supposedly something like Smith in that Galaxy , as a cover if you need one .

and as a further edit , the Plagueis novel or Darth Maul stuff has the outlawed atomic bombs used on him , because it would come to mind ...

 

[Gelion]

the first thing ı WILL do is fixing Darth Maul .

and prequels existed as the original triology was being made . Like as in a single page in a notebook but George Lucas never licensed anyone to deal with the Clone Wars and whatnot until he released the basic outline by 1999 . While it was a free for all for the period after Endor .

With obvious quality differences between I-III and IV-IV I have my doubts about it. This article mentions that the first story was about a character called Mace Windu that was later modified. Given how different the prequels are to the original film in spirit I'd even have my doubts as to who wrote the damned thing in the first place. You've probably internalised the prequels, I haven't, so I can look at the originals as if the prequels never happened and work from there.

 

[Gorbles]

Given how different the prequels are to the original film in spirit I'd even have my doubts as to who wrote the damned thing in the first place.

You're measuring this from the basis of your enjoyment of the respective movies. You've absolutely internalised the prequel trilogy. You demonstrate way too much familiarity with them for that not to be the case. Re-imagining sequels to the original trilogy without Lucas' further involvement relies on your existing rejection of the prequels as much as r16's is based on redeeming the prequels in his eyes.

For example, you want to see Anakin being a great pilot, but you want to wipe one of the biggest scenes that show that (the Podracing). One of the highlights of the movie, in my opinion. This isn't wrong, you're absolutely allowed to change what you want. That's the thread! But you've definitely internalised things, for better or for worse, and this definitely impacts the choices you make in remaking the series.

 

[Zardnaar]

Same, except I felt 9 was the best and 8 was the weakest.

9 was ok on its own merits problem was it's part 3 of a Trilogy.

Any of them could almost stand alone by themselves or be used as the base of a trilogy.

 

[Zardnaar]

If you don't use Palpatine as a villain Plagueis returning could also make sense and requires less development.

So yeah one if those two as the villain makes some amount of sense along with Thrawn.

 

[Gorbles]

Spoilering for folks who haven't seen Rebels.

Spoiler :

Thrawn is in Rebels, and a big part of the finale, so it makes absolute sense why he's nowhere near the sequel trilogy.

 

[Zardnaar]

Spoilering for folks who haven't seen Rebels.

Spoiler :

Thrawn is in Rebels, and a big part of the finale, so it makes absolute sense why he's nowhere near the sequel trilogy.

True but he could be still be around in the ST timeline. He would be in third place behind Plageuis and Palpatine.

 

[Gelion]

You're measuring this from the basis of your enjoyment of the respective movies. You've absolutely internalised the prequel trilogy. You demonstrate way too much familiarity with them for that not to be the case.

You're confusing knowledge with acceptance. Not that it is uncommon these days. In fact I disliked what they were doing with the prequels so much that the last time I was in the cinema for a Star Wars movie was episode II.

Re-imagining sequels to the original trilogy without Lucas' further involvement relies on your existing rejection of the prequels as much as r16's is based on redeeming the prequels in his eyes.

My re-imagining the prequels relies on my understanding of the spiritual cohesion of the original films (for lack of a better word).

For example, you want to see Anakin being a great pilot, but you want to wipe one of the biggest scenes that show that (the Podracing).

I wouldn't mind another example of that skill. Also when the original character is a little older.

One of the highlights of the movie, in my opinion.

Not mine, but if you enjoyed it its great.

This isn't wrong, you're absolutely allowed to change what you want. That's the thread! But you've definitely internalised things, for better or for worse, and this definitely impacts the choices you make in remaking the series.

See above and please see a few minutes of this. Timestamp: 27:43. It shows how spiritually different the prequels are.

 

[MaryKB]

Spoilering for folks who haven't seen Rebels.

Spoiler :

Thrawn is in Rebels, and a big part of the finale, so it makes absolute sense why he's nowhere near the sequel trilogy.

I'm pretty sure he's going to be the villain of Rosario Dawson's series and will likely meet his demise there.

 

[Zardnaar]

I'm pretty sure he's going to be the villain of Rosario Dawson's series and will likely meet his demise there.

That's my guess but we know Ahsoka dies (voices in RoS).

If he dies only be the third time lol.

At one point Thrawn was winning polls vs Vader for most popular SW villain.