Gary Childress
Student for and of life
I recently bought "The Mind's I" by Hofstadter and Dennett.
In one of the essays on page 45 there is a reference to the following Zen riddle:
In the final analysis the whole point of Zen seems to me to be to say as little as you possibly can and yet at the same time teach others something (not sure what but something). But why? If the analogy above is any indication, then perhaps the very act of my asking this question puts the Zen master in the predicament of either failing to answer my question or "losing his life"? I guess all I can say is if you are a Zen master then please DO NOT POST IN THIS THREAD. Let us little munchkins work it out for ourselves.
So what is your personal take on Zen? What do you think it's "all about"? Feel free to post your own favorite Zen sayings and try to analyze them.
EDIT: Also feel free to offer your interpretation of the riddle above
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In one of the essays on page 45 there is a reference to the following Zen riddle:
Zen is like a man hanging in a tree by his teeth over a precipice. His hands grasp no branch, his feet rest on no limb, and under the tree another person asks him: "Why did Bodhidharma come to China From India?" If the man in the tree does not answer, he fails; and if he does answer, he falls and loses his life. Now what shall he do?
In the final analysis the whole point of Zen seems to me to be to say as little as you possibly can and yet at the same time teach others something (not sure what but something). But why? If the analogy above is any indication, then perhaps the very act of my asking this question puts the Zen master in the predicament of either failing to answer my question or "losing his life"? I guess all I can say is if you are a Zen master then please DO NOT POST IN THIS THREAD. Let us little munchkins work it out for ourselves.
So what is your personal take on Zen? What do you think it's "all about"? Feel free to post your own favorite Zen sayings and try to analyze them.

EDIT: Also feel free to offer your interpretation of the riddle above
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OR conversely, when I say the whole point of Zen seems to be to say as little as you can, perhaps it is the inverse. Perhaps the point of Zen is to teach by saying as much as you are able about the subject. The only problem being that there isn't much that can be said about the subject. Already I think I'm going crosseye!
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OK. Trying to take apart the riddle above...
1. Does the Zen master know the answer to the question about Bodhidharma or does he not?
2. When it is said he would "lose his life", what is meant by that? If he answers the question will he "die"? Or by "lose life" does he mean lose a "way" of life?
3. Or is the riddle simply to say that when you are a Zen master and someone asks you a question it is a "lose-lose" situation for the master?
1. Does the Zen master know the answer to the question about Bodhidharma or does he not?
2. When it is said he would "lose his life", what is meant by that? If he answers the question will he "die"? Or by "lose life" does he mean lose a "way" of life?
3. Or is the riddle simply to say that when you are a Zen master and someone asks you a question it is a "lose-lose" situation for the master?
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Looking further at the riddle. Who is the man in the tree? Is it the Zen master? Or is this to say that all of us are in the same predicament as the "man in the tree"?
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This seems like a rather "campy" Zen quote almost too "new age" to be from a true master I would think, or else perhaps it is a fragment to something more profound?
http://www.squidoo.com/zen-quotes
I found it here:This is the Zen approach: nothing is there to be done. There is nothing to do. One has just to be. Have a rest and be ordinary and be natural.
http://www.squidoo.com/zen-quotes