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Zimbabwe Government Passes Law on 51% Black Ownership

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Snorrius, Feb 13, 2010.

  1. Quackers

    Quackers The Frog

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    Because the law should be colour blind. It shouldn't favor one group over another based on the colour of its skin.
     
  2. ArmorPierce

    ArmorPierce Warlord

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    That don't make any sense. The law already favored one group over the other based on the color of their skin and there are people currently benfitting from that. Current law is being passed in order to address this and to somewhat equalize it. How is a low that addresses past wrongs in order to make it somewhat fair (it wouldn't be completely fair since blacks make up much more than 51% of the population so whites would hold a disportionate amount of the wealth) wrong?

    Only thing that I am somewhat suspect about this is that $500,000 assets is sort of low, almost mom and pop. IT makes more sense if it speaks of only for corporations.
     
  3. Quackers

    Quackers The Frog

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    Show me the existing law which benefits one group over another and I assume you mean White people over the other.
     
  4. ArmorPierce

    ArmorPierce Warlord

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    I was speaking in a past tense and it's obvious from my statement.

    and it wasn't just past law but past practices as well.
     
  5. Quackers

    Quackers The Frog

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    But the last time "Whitey" was in charge was in 1979 and even than for a few years he was handicapped. Mugabe and his henchman have had 31 years in charge now - it is obvious even to the most left-wing "liberal" than he is not making laws for the benefit of the population but to enrich himself and his political allies which seems to be the current fashion in African politics.

    You see this law will not benefit the black majority it will just benefit the current undemocratic reigme.
     
  6. ArmorPierce

    ArmorPierce Warlord

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    That indeed is a issue if true. I don't know much of the internal politics of Zimbabwe but I do know (In America at least) that the largest indicator of a person's future wealth and income is that of their parents. If a system was already set that benefitted a group and the system was not completely deconstructed.

    Anyway, the new law I'm not 100% on but I agree with the sentiment behind it (and things such as affirmative action in America) and I didn't like some of the simple arguments being used against it.
     
  7. Fugitive Sisyphus

    Fugitive Sisyphus Escape Artist

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    The people who would willingly cut off their right arm as long as everyone else had to lose both arms are a big problem in this world. And dictators always use these useful idiots to their advantage.
     
  8. amadeus

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    The sentiment behind it is to strip Zimbabwe's few remaining productive white residents of what they have and give it to himself and his political cronies.
     
  9. gugalpm

    gugalpm Veteran of psychic wars

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    I don't think any country is into late XIX-style colonialism nowadays.
     
  10. Yared

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    You really need to stop doing that, Quackers. I consider myself a "left-wing 'liberal'" and I'm on pretty much the same side as you are. You're needlessly alienating people by generalising.

    New companies should not be punished for the sins of other companies. A white person will never be able to start his/her own company without including at least one black person. This law makes them dependant on blacks, which is one of the reasons it's wrong.

    A system that redistributes wealth from race to race is racist. Racism is unjustifiable.

    Also, you're forgetting that any white person born in the last 30 years hasn't enjoyed the "privilege" of being white, and afaik this law doesn't exclude them.
     
  11. Quackers

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    I know this is your 2nd langauge but i'm saying that people on your side of the political spectrum agree with me that this is wrong. It's not an insult.
     
  12. Yared

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    I changed it quickly to alienate :p And we both know that you sometimes drop it in arguments :mischief:
     
  13. illram

    illram Deity Retired Moderator

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    This sums it up well, I think.
     
  14. say1988

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    Not to mention that there will likely be a lack of buyers forcing white people to sell significant portions of companies they own for pennies on the dollar, to the people that have been enriched by Mugabe for decades.

    And how would this apply to foreign corporations operating in Zimbabwe (assuming they own $500,000 of assets in Zimbabwe), will they be kicked out if they cannot prove 51% black ownership (which is impossible for virtually all public and a great many private corporations)?
     
  15. The Imp

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    True, but colonialism still exists in a different form. The victim nations of colonialism are no longer de jure colonies, but de facto ones.
     
  16. Yared

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    You mean like Russia and Abkhazia?
     
  17. Cheezy the Wiz

    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    He means like the US and Latin America and SE Asia.
     
  18. holy king

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    i dont see how the skin colour of the capitalist class matters regarding anything.
     
  19. RedRalph

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    Neither do I.
     
  20. The Imp

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    Neither do I.

    The notion of "Race" should be banished from the human psyche. It is a meaningless divider that brings absolutely nothing of redeeming value to Humanity.

    I don't understand how people can on the one hand consider things like national origin to be meaningless constructs that divide the working class, while unintentionally being some of the greatest defenders of the division of humanity into races, by thinking and debating in racial terms over, and over, and over again.

    It is simply a distraction, and utter bullcrap.
     

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