SKNES II: The Bonaparte Legacy

OOC: Racism does not mean pragmatic politics disappear. Its not like they are becoming best friends. They are eliminating a possible national security threat on their doorstep, not 'helping' the 'black people'. Also bear in mind that the majority of people in the south were in fact racist, that does not mean all of them were, and that dent mean all of them were extreme racists prone to lynching. Just my 2 cents.

Point taken. Though with a grain of salt, might I add, because I cannot think of any precedent where political interest has superseded incredibly ingrained ideological motives, especially with the context of race. This statement of mine is a bit difficult to define as it contains many subjective components, which is the only reason I acknowledge your point as fairly valid. If you could produce evidence of a situation where a Confederate policymaker put racial considerations aside in favor of advocating-or even, really, accepting- a mandate or law or treaty that would potentially benefit the common good, then I will give more credence to your argument.

As to the second part of your argument, that is simply vexing; I do not understand what your point is by agreeing that the vast majority of the south was racist in this period; and lynching was indeed accepted; they accepted lynching as an appropriate response to a great number of race-related "crimes." You don't hear about towns that prevented lynchings because they found them morally abhorrent.

EDIT: Why does Brasil hate Greece again?
 
OOC: I have been distracted of late and will try to immerse myself this weekend if my situation permits.
 
In the anticipation of the coming election this next year, a political survey has been conducted among the citizens of the Netherlands regarding the most prominent political parties and their current leaders. The results of this survey has been released in decreasing order of popularity for the consideration of the public.

Party Name | Ideology | Party Leader Roman-Catholic State Party | Moderate | Piet Aalberse
Social Democratic Workers' Party | Social Democrat | Johan Albarda
Anti-Revolutionary Party | Conservative | Hendrikus Colijn
Christian Historical Union | Conservative | Dirk de Geer
Freethinking Democratic League | Liberal | Dolf Joekes
National Socialist Movement | Fascist | Anton Mussert
Liberal State Party | Liberal | Steven Bierema
Communist Party | Communist | Rustam Effendi
Reformed Political Party | Conservative | Gerrit Kersten
League of Revolutionary Socialists | Socialist | Piet Schmidt
Revolutionary Socialist Workers' Party | Fascist | Hendrik Sneevliet
Christian Democratic Union | Social Democrat | Rintje van der Brug
 
Point taken. Though with a grain of salt, might I add, because I cannot think of any precedent where political interest has superseded incredibly ingrained ideological motives, especially with the context of race. This statement of mine is a bit difficult to define as it contains many subjective components, which is the only reason I acknowledge your point as fairly valid. If you could produce evidence of a situation where a Confederate policymaker put racial considerations aside in favor of advocating-or even, really, accepting- a mandate or law or treaty that would potentially benefit the common good, then I will give more credence to your argument.

As to the second part of your argument, that is simply vexing; I do not understand what your point is by agreeing that the vast majority of the south was racist in this period; and lynching was indeed accepted; they accepted lynching as an appropriate response to a great number of race-related "crimes." You don't hear about towns that prevented lynchings because they found them morally abhorrent.

EDIT: Why does Brasil hate Greece again?
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Not sure if this counts, but in the Civil War many Confederate Generals advocated arming Negros in the hope that it would turn the tide of the war. Granted these Generals were not Politicians and many Politicians balked at the idea, but if I remember my history right, Jefferson Davis was actually considering it but given the tensions of his Cabinet and Congress, he did not go forward with it. Then Abraham Lincoln issued his Emancipation Proclamation and it was ended for good.

There were also Politicians in the west that actually actively encouraged Braxton Bragg and Joseph Johnston to arm Negros for the purpose of throwing them against the Federals first and tiring them out before sending their own white men, though again, this did not happen. *Might have read this in semi-fictional book about the Civil War, will try to find facts to back this up.*

Also, my belief is that while inside the Confederates may be racists and hate every nonwhite out there, outwardly on the Diplomatic front this behavior would quickly make the Confederates a despised country that no one would really want to associate with, so they smile and politely shake hands with a Black President or an Indian Prime Minister or a Spanish Monarch and gamely show the world that they are willing to work with those they have to and suppress those they can within their own borders.

Anyways, I PMed the mod and left it in his hands, he will decide whether my charismatic speech convinced my racist Congress to overlook my friendly hand. So let us stop discussing this and move on.

Also Mayor, if you could respond to my PM that would be great.

IC:
To the Empire of Brazil
From: the Confederate States of America


We wonder if our invitation got lost at sea. Seeing as we are active participants in South America and the Caribbean, as well as managing the Panama Canal Zone, we believe we have a strong right to be a part of any meetings concerning the Red Terror and any attempts to stop it. Especially as we are the strongest Democratic nation in the Americas, being in position to respond to a threat quicker than the other Great Powers you have graciously invited.
 
TO: Uh... Greece?
FROM: The Government of Sultan Abdulmejid II


Who, exactly, should we be negotiating with? We were under the impression that the officer corps of the existing Greek military was staunchly anti-communist, and in fact one of the pillars of the Metaxos regime.

While we are in principle prepared to negotiate with the... uh... new Greek government, whoever that may be, we also seek clarification regarding said government's intent.

OOC: Has anyone actually read the update? It is not as OOC as it may seem. It is like Russia in WWI. Metaxas lost the war, people do not want to fight, they storm Athens. The Army is sympathetic with the Commies and wants to go home. There might be a few pro-Royal soldiers, but most of the army is anti-royal. Also, the majority of the population does not want the King. I say this because I have studied a lot this period of Greek history.

IC:

From People's Republic of Greece
To Ottoman Empire:


You should negotiate with us, the Revolutionary Government of Greece, led by Nikos Zachariadis. What we would like to ask you is our borders to return to the pre-war territories. In exchange, Greece is willing to pay a lot of money.

From People's Republic of Greece
To USSR:


Would you accept the Communist Party of Greece in the internationale?
 
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Not sure if this counts, but in the Civil War many Confederate Generals advocated arming Negros in the hope that it would turn the tide of the war. Granted these Generals were not Politicians and many Politicians balked at the idea, but if I remember my history right, Jefferson Davis was actually considering it but given the tensions of his Cabinet and Congress, he did not go forward with it. Then Abraham Lincoln issued his Emancipation Proclamation and it was ended for good.

There were also Politicians in the west that actually actively encouraged Braxton Bragg and Joseph Johnston to arm Negros for the purpose of throwing them against the Federals first and tiring them out before sending their own white men, though again, this did not happen. *Might have read this in semi-fictional book about the Civil War, will try to find facts to back this up.*

Also, my belief is that while inside the Confederates may be racists and hate every nonwhite out there, outwardly on the Diplomatic front this behavior would quickly make the Confederates a despised country that no one would really want to associate with, so they smile and politely shake hands with a Black President or an Indian Prime Minister or a Spanish Monarch and gamely show the world that they are willing to work with those they have to and suppress those they can within their own borders.

Anyways, I PMed the mod and left it in his hands, he will decide whether my charismatic speech convinced my racist Congress to overlook my friendly hand. So let us stop discussing this and move on.

Also Mayor, if you could respond to my PM that would be great.

I understand completely. I would appreciate a source but in all honesty it is not really that important to me, though I do disagree on the part about the politicians managing to treat "minority" diplomats as equals; I wont argue it though.
 
People of Australia, New Zealand, and New Guinea, It is I Prime Minister Joseph Lyons, I wish to announce to the people of my nation that I am in fact safe, and the traitor Birdwood has been caught and will be punished for his treachery, it is a pity to be honest, he was a great commander and the commonwealth could use more men like him.

Now I have come here today to give this speech not to gloat about Birdwood's defeat, no I am giving this speech to reassure my people that everything will be alright.

Australia will continue to be part of the Commonwealth and the personal union with Britain's monarchy will continue. Nevertheless Birdwood and his supporters raised some very good points.

My number one priority is the safety and well being of the Australians and the defense of the Pacific, as such Australia will continue to support Britain and the rest of our Commonwealth brothers, both militarily and monetarily when needed, however, I cannot allow our men to be thrown away in battle for a minor war that will not serve to improve our position or to keep our people safe. Unless the safety of one of our fellow dominions or Britain itself is questioned we will leave our men out of it. However in the event that one of the dominions is threatened with a force it cannot fight alone make no mistake, Australia will be their to support it, and we wish to get the same support from the rest of the commonwealth if Australia ever needs it, we will do our best to defend both the commonwealth and the pacific, and when the two overlap the better.

I hope that this will ease the minds and put to rest the fears of the people of Australia on all sides of the issue and I do have one last thing do say to the people of Australia.

Currently the government is doing everything in its power to rebuild after the coup, the men who lost their lives both defending the Dominion and those who believed were fighting tyranny were brave and good men, and it is shame that they had to give their lives in this, my thoughts and prayers go out to all those families who lost their brothers and husbands in the fighting, and I hope that we as a nation can come out of this stronger and more united then ever.

Advance Australia!
 
From: Empire of Brazil
To: Confederate States of America
CC: All Other Concerned Parties

At this point we believe the conference convened has moved from continental terms to purely international ones, and to that end are glad to host a delegation from the Confederacy should it be interested. We look forward to seeing your representatives at Rio de Janeiro.

-- Anyone basing their foreign policy in-game on the mod is doing it wrong :p
 
Solomon P. Waters was, in the eyes of the ruling white class, a Negro, and while they might classify him as a dangerous man and the creature that haunts every white child's boogeyman story, Solomon was in fact a kind and gentle man, that has never hurt a fly much less a white child. Nonetheless he joined the march on Richmond simply because he felt it was the right thing to do, and he continually pressured his protesters that they can handle this without violence, and thus it was Solomon who has ensured that their march onto Richmond was bloodless and efficient. But when you have a large group of some 10,000 people, many of them poor and broken, in a residential area in Richmond that is amongst the most wealthiest areas in the Confederacy and is also home to many of the Confederate Politicians, including President Josiah Bailey, not even the most strong willed man would be able to resist the temptation to go on a rampage and thus did some 1,500 poorer elements of the protesters go on the rampage. Solomon watched on helplessly as members of the Home Guard marched into the area and without preamble or warning, fired on the plunderers. Even some of Solomon's more peaceful protesters were shot down in the massacre.

Several days later with the Home Guard maintain watch over the proceedings the remaining members of the Protesters, now calling themselves Negro Liberation Party, camped just south of the Capital and watched as Josiah Bailey informed the public of his intentions to keep the Communist threat from spreading by supporting their neighbors to the south, in Haiti. Now to most southerners, they had no idea where Haiti was or that it was even ruled by black people, but Solomon knew, he was himself from Haiti, sold to the Confederacy when he was a young boy and Haiti was still under French rule. So he told his compatriots and they began to mill about and grow more inspired about the Confederate Government actually listening to their message.

After Josiah Bailey returned to his mansion, Solomon stood upon the stool that represented the "Party's" platform and proclaimed that the Negros were disillusioning themselves that the Confederates would eventually see things their way. He glanced at the Home Guard, always close and within listening range, he proceeded, the Confederate involvement in Haiti is simply a defensive measure, it is our governments way of using the black people to do the hard work of keeping Confederate sea lanes free of danger and weapons. God strike me dead if the Confederacy will not simply abandon these Haitians when the Red Terror moves on to another location. The crowd grumbled, not believing this strange black man but some of Solomon's more close friends managed to convince part of the group that the man speaks the truth, eventually the party split into two, but remained in the same camp, simply because the Home Guard would not let them leave to another part of Richmond, they were told to either leave Richmond or move to the outskirts, neither of which would further their cause.

Over the next few days, as details of a meeting of powers in some country in South America, and Confederate responses to a power play in Mexico become apparent Solomon continued to preach and lecture his followers into reasonings behind each move and diplomatic response. Eventually more and more followers joined Solomons party, and the Home Guard became worried, they ordered Solomon and his illegal "party" to leave Richmond or he would be arrested. Solomon refused, believing his Party is now strong and the Confederate Government is starting to listen. So the next day, 1,000 Guardsmen entered the camp and ordered the arrest of Solomon, they searched for him in all parts of the camp, but he seems to have simply disappeared. So the Home Guard arrested his Lieutenants and and dispersed his "party". The Home Guard and the Politicians smiled inwardly, they have handled the protest and soon the Lieutenants would be dealt with. A man hunt was ordered for Solomon and the Government continued along with their business.

Meanwhile in some undisclosed location, Solomon preaches to more Negros and even some poor whites sympathetic to the Negro cause.
 
From: Empire of Brazil
To: Free Nations of South America
CC: France, Portugal, Spain, Britain, Haiti

We have decided that it is essential to the cause of freedom that a conference be held in order to determine how best to respond to the Red Terror, as we have proposed, and that it be constituted of the free nations of this continent and nations with significant cultural and political ties to this continent. To that end, the government of this nation extends invitation to all democratic and non-communist states in South America, as well as to the nations of Great Britain, France, Portugal, Haiti and Spain to attend such a conference, to be held this year in Rio de Janeiro. Its purpose will be to arrive at a consensus of the threat that communism poses to peaceful, democratic societies, as well as to determine how best to combat this threat. We look forward to hearing from all the concerned nations on this matter.

To: Brazil
From: Venezuela

Venezuela will send a delegation headed by the Minister of Foreign Affairs to the Rio Conference. The containment and eventual repulse of the Red threat is of utmost importance to us and a decisive drive in our foreign policy is to avoid its contagion to nearby states, but of course we alone have no power to do such thing. A united front, however, may turn this Red Tide back down where it came from, nothingness.
 
To: The Ottoman Sultanate
From: The People's Republic of Hungary

If you accept Greece's peace terms, we will go to peace with you, if that is what you desire.
 
To: China
From: Japan


The government of Japan invites your great nation into a treaty of trade and friendly relations that would establish a spirit of friendly relations and cooperation between our two nations.
 
From: Italy
To: Greece
CC: The World


Italy is going on the record to state that we do not view this sudden regime change in Greece to be legitimate. The sudden instability in your nation causes great concern for Italy, especially in regards to our Adriatic holdings. We call on the Greek people to return their rightful government to power and punish the criminals who instigated the coup. Should you need Italian assistance in this matter, we will provide it.
 
The Kingdom of Spain proudly announces...

The Treaty of Braga
1. The nations of Spain & Portugal agree to a defensive agreement, to be upheld by both nations in the event of foreign aggression. Henceforth, known as the "Iberian Pact"

2. In acknowledgement of the ongoing need on the part of the Portuguese government for funds to repair damages done by the Socialist Uprising, the Kingdom of Spain shall donate a total sum of [10 EP] over the course of two years, for the purposes of reconstruction. Additionally, Spanish private investors will be encouraged to involve themselves in Portugease reconstruction.

3. Both nations shall agree to reduce import Tariffs on goods and a general simplification of trade protocols with the other.

Signed, Jose Sanjurjo on behalf of His Catholic Majesty King Alfonso XIII.
 
From: Empire of Brazil
To: Free Nations of South America
CC: France, Portugal, Spain, Britain, Haiti

We have decided that it is essential to the cause of freedom that a conference be held in order to determine how best to respond to the Red Terror, as we have proposed, and that it be constituted of the free nations of this continent and nations with significant cultural and political ties to this continent. To that end, the government of this nation extends invitation to all democratic and non-communist states in South America, as well as to the nations of Great Britain, France, Portugal, Haiti and Spain to attend such a conference, to be held this year in Rio de Janeiro. Its purpose will be to arrive at a consensus of the threat that communism poses to peaceful, democratic societies, as well as to determine how best to combat this threat. We look forward to hearing from all the concerned nations on this matter.

To: Brazil
From: Free Poland

As an ally of France, Free Poland would like to request a seat at the conference in Brazil.
 
The Fourth Republic of France wishes to announce the São Paulo Trading Agreement with the Empire of Brazil, in which France pledges to lower tariffs on Brazilian rubber, oil, and other raw materials.

OOC: Just putting into words what we agreed previously LoE. I didn't feel the other stuff warranted a full public thing.
 
From People's Republic of Greece
To Italy:


We have no reason to be enemies. Since ancient times the Italians and Greeks can be enemies. Just because we do not have the same type of Government, it does not mean that we should be enemies. In fact, we wanted to ask you for closer economic co-operation between our two nations.
 
Belgium i happy to see her interests, which are closely intertwined with those of dance, represented by France at the conference so we can focus on our own country at the moment.
 
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