Tani Coyote
Son of Huehuecoyotl
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Before we begin, remember the forum rules. This must be a professional discussion: please no sexual humor, explicit content, etc. Act as if we were all lawmakers debating this issue.
The discussion - albeit a silly one, since the other person's hostile and can't seem to understand my angle - in the Ask a Furry thread has spawned this thread.
The question is simple:
Does cub art/shotacon count as child pornography?
In a nutshell, cub art is furry art that depicts young/pre-pubescent furs in a sexual manner, and shotacon is an anime/manga genre that does the same, but with humans instead of furs. Do these fall under child pornography, and if so, should they be treated as such?
I say no.
My reasoning is simple:
Child pornography is illegal because children have rights, and are not capable of consent and therefore cannot forfeit those rights(at least that's my understanding). As a result, a person sexually photographing them and such violates their rights and is treated accordingly.
A cub or shotacon character is not REAL. They are like any other fictional character. They have no rights. You cannot honestly compare pornographic imagery of fictional characters to the same imagery of ACTUAL people. It's like those nutjobs who compare legalised gay marriage to legalised beastiality(my father is sadly one of these): they cannot be compared, as the former has consent and the latter does not!
While both a fictional character and an underage person cannot consent, the former is a living, breathing being with rights, while the latter is not and therefore does not have any rights. The only rights involved in the latter are copyrights and trademarks!
The government has already ruled on the distinction between real children in sexual situations and fictional children; I have not heard of any shota or cub artists being arrested. I HAVE heard of numerous child pornographers being arrested, however.
Shota and cub art aren't my cup of tea. But if put on the lawbooks, they are victimless "crimes." Accordingly, there shouldn't be any punishment for them. Furthermore, who am I to say what people can and can't enjoy? We should all be able to do whatever we wish, provided it does not infringe on the rights of others. And fictional characters do not have rights.
So, I ask again. Do these genres count as child pornography, or not? Should they be treated as child pornography?
The discussion - albeit a silly one, since the other person's hostile and can't seem to understand my angle - in the Ask a Furry thread has spawned this thread.
The question is simple:
Does cub art/shotacon count as child pornography?
In a nutshell, cub art is furry art that depicts young/pre-pubescent furs in a sexual manner, and shotacon is an anime/manga genre that does the same, but with humans instead of furs. Do these fall under child pornography, and if so, should they be treated as such?
I say no.
My reasoning is simple:
Child pornography is illegal because children have rights, and are not capable of consent and therefore cannot forfeit those rights(at least that's my understanding). As a result, a person sexually photographing them and such violates their rights and is treated accordingly.
A cub or shotacon character is not REAL. They are like any other fictional character. They have no rights. You cannot honestly compare pornographic imagery of fictional characters to the same imagery of ACTUAL people. It's like those nutjobs who compare legalised gay marriage to legalised beastiality(my father is sadly one of these): they cannot be compared, as the former has consent and the latter does not!
While both a fictional character and an underage person cannot consent, the former is a living, breathing being with rights, while the latter is not and therefore does not have any rights. The only rights involved in the latter are copyrights and trademarks!
The government has already ruled on the distinction between real children in sexual situations and fictional children; I have not heard of any shota or cub artists being arrested. I HAVE heard of numerous child pornographers being arrested, however.
Shota and cub art aren't my cup of tea. But if put on the lawbooks, they are victimless "crimes." Accordingly, there shouldn't be any punishment for them. Furthermore, who am I to say what people can and can't enjoy? We should all be able to do whatever we wish, provided it does not infringe on the rights of others. And fictional characters do not have rights.
So, I ask again. Do these genres count as child pornography, or not? Should they be treated as child pornography?