Term 1 Judiciary - the Areiopagos

[mhcarver]

sorry I'm behind but schools starting soon and I've been working my but off on projects

Public Defenders Ruling on DG7JR3

The person who is governor when a city is founded has the exclusive naming rights to the city since to name it they must post instructions in the TCIT and that cannot be done unless the city is going to be built.

ruling on 4 to come later today

 

[Black_Hole]

Judge Advocate Ruling on JR #3
The governor that posts the instructsion for where to settle a city also decides on the name of that city.

 

[Octavian X]

Citizen Comment on DG7JR4

I think DaveShack has the right idea. The President should be able to allocate workers to certain governors depending on their needs and requests, while the governor should be responsible for the specific improvement, as it is the governor who should know what needs to be done, while it is the President who should know which has national priority. I'd also add, though, that the President should retain the right to use that power of allocation for national, inter-city projects (i.e. a road to connect cities, a new road and colony, or a road to a foreign nation).

Incidentally, should this judicial review turn out in favor of my position, I'd also propose a new naming system for workers, in which each is numbered sequentially as it is built. My thought is that this would make the allocation process much easier.

 

[mhcarver]

just to clarify my rulings on JR's 1 and two are on a previously edited post earlier in the thread,

 

[ravensfire]

Ruling on DG7JR1

Question: Will a 4-2 vote by the Governors meet the 67% requirement in CoL F.2?

Citizen Comments: Thanks to RegentMan, Bootstoots for their comments

Ruling: No. A strict 67% standard is to be used.

Explanation: The arguement put forth are persuasive - the requirement, although not the intent of the idea is clearly stated to be 67%. A 4-2 majority is 66.66~%, and does not meet the 67% requirement.


Ruling on DG7JR2

Question: Is the ability of the Governors to overrule the Assembly in CoL F.2 constitutional?

Citizen Comments: None

Ruling: Yes, the ability of the Governors to overrule the Assembly is Constitutional.

Explanation: The conflict here is the Will of the People Clause vs the Declaration of War clause. Delcaring war is a difficult decision, especially given a 5BC variant. The ability of our core cities to support a war is even more paramount. A hasty war could savage our nation, likewise ignoring a viable war could limit our potential. As such, a check on such power given to the Assembly and the Governors makes sense, and improves our nation. Those presenting arguements on one side or another in a DoW debate will have to use reasoning and logic, not calls to emotion to persuade both houses.

Ruling on DG7JR3

Question: Who names the a city - the first Governor or the Governor when the city is founded?

Citizen Comments: Thanks to DaveShack for his comments.

Ruling: The governor when the city is founded names the city.

Explanation: A city is named when it is founded by the Designated Player. The instructions for that turn chat must include the name of the city. Only the instructions posted by elected officials are considered valid and binding on the DP. All of this makes it quite clear that the Governor at the time the city is founded will name the city.

Ruling on DG7JR4

Question: Who controls the actions of workers?

Citizen Comments: Thanks to DaveShack and Octavian X for their comments.

Ruling: The Governor of the city controls the action of workers allocated to them.

Explanation: Looking at the Constitution, the President is responsible for "... worker allocation ...". Governors are responsible for "..., management, and use of cities they control." This seems fairly clear. The President determineshow many workers will be available to each Govenor and for National projects (rail line, etc). Governors determine the actions and the priority of those actions for the tiles used by their cities.

-- Ravensfire, Chief Justice

 

[ravensfire]

Judicial Rulings

DG7JR1 - Will a 4-2 vote by the Governors meet the 67% requirement in CoL F.2?

Ruling: By a 3-0 decision, a strict standard of 67% is to be used. A 4-2 vote is a 66.66~%, and does not meet the standard required in CoL F.2.

DG7JR2 - Is the ability of the Governors to overrule the Assembly in CoL F.2 Constitutional?

Ruling: By a 2-1 decision, the ability of Governors to overrule the Assembly in CoL F.2 is Constitutional. The Chief Justice and the Public Defender voted for, with the Judge Advocate voting against.

DG7JR3 - Who names the a city - the first Governor or the Governor when the city is founded?

Ruling: By a 3-0 decision, the Governor when the city is founded names the city.

-- Ravensfire, Chief Justice

 

[Black_Hole]

Judge Advocate Ruling on JR#4
The Governor shall be responsible for workers allocated to them, while the President decides how many workers are given to each governor.

 

[RegentMan]

I have my own judicial review for you lovely people.

Here is Section H.2 of the code of laws:

Section H.2 Designated Player Pool
During each regular election cycle, a separate thread will be created during the nomination process for DP Candidates. Any citizen that wishes to be a DP must post in this thread. When the election polls are posted, a separate poll, in multi-choice format, listing each candidate will be posted. Citizens will vote their approval for a candidate by selecting their name.

A citizen may run for an elected office and apply to be a DP in the same term. The DP Pool does not count as an elected office.

Each candidate that receives a vote from more than ½ of the citizens that vote in the poll will be accepted as a DP for that term. The Election Office will put together a list of the Designated Players, ordered by the number of votes in support for that term. In the event of a tie, the order of posting in the nomination thread will be used. All DP’s that actually ran a game session in the previous term will be put below those that did not, regardless of the number of votes. This list will determine the order that the DP’s will be used for game sessions. If there are more game sessions that DP’s, start again from the top of the list.

Should the DP pool be empty, the President is responsible for determining who will be the DP for each game session, using any citizen of Fanatikos to serve as DP.

Members of the DP pool may exchange places as they desire, so long as all citizens involved agree.

1. Does that mean that if a term is over before the list is up, the remaining DPs are out of luck? Do they automatically head the next term's list?

2. Do special zero turn trade chats count as a DP's playing session?

 

[Black_Hole]

Question #1 is very simple and should have no merit IMO:

Each candidate that receives a vote from more than ½ of the citizens that vote in the poll will be accepted as a DP for that term.

If elected again, they will go above people that played a session the previous term

 

[Black_Hole]

From the Office of the Judge Advocate
A PM complaint has been sent to admiral-bell because of his violation of Article D.1 of the CoL:

Section D.1 Freedom of Information
All elected officials will create an official thread. This thread will be used to provide updates to the citizens about their office. The information in this thread should updated frequently in order to accurately reflect the current game situation.

He has yet to post an official government thread as Governor of City #5

 

[Nobody]

He has yet to post an official government thread as Governor of City #5

Do you relise that there is not 5 citys yet, what would he post there? he can't even give a title to the thread.

 

[mhcarver]

Public Defenders ruling on DG7JR4
The Governor of the city is responsible for the workers allocated to them by the president

 

[mhcarver]

On the matter of Admiral Bell as a citizen I would like to request a Judicial review:
Does section D1 of the constitution require that governor's of cities yet to be built set up threads?

 

[Black_Hole]

Do you relise that there is not 5 citys yet, what would he post there? he can't even give a title to the thread.

On the matter of Admiral Bell as a citizen I would like to request a Judicial review:
Does section D1 of the constitution require that governor's of cities yet to be built set up threads?

He is still an elected official, of which all need to post a thread, there weren't any exceptions in the law.

 

[Donovan Zoi]

He is still an elected official, of which all need to post a thread, there weren't any exceptions in the law.

It looks like admiral-bell has complied with this silly law, so as a citizen I would like to see this matter dropped.

If we are going to crack down on premature governors, shouldn't we put a gag order on all references to premature city names? These include the unofficially named city threads in the Government forum, as well as any references to illegal city names in the Citizens Forum. These threads actually go against a ruling from the court and nothing seems to be getting done about those.

This is not a request for a Judicial Review, as a ruling has already been made. But who is going to enforce this ruling against the premature governors of Civatonia, Styx and the Augean Stables?

 

[Chieftess]

I thought the city names were garunteed. (i.e., if you're governor #3, you get city #3). Aren't they just like the provincial threads of old? So, why aren't those allowed, and yet, the expatriate thread must be there?

(Sometimes I think the demogame is a conspiracy to confuse me. )

 

[Donovan Zoi]

I thought the city names were garunteed. (i.e., if you're governor #3, you get city #3). Aren't they just like the provincial threads of old? So, why aren't those allowed, and yet, the expatriate thread must be there?

(Sometimes I think the demogame is a conspiracy to confuse me. )

CT, the Judiciary recently ruled that cities will be named by the Governor in power when the city is founded, so more than likely you are off the hook. Didn't mean to confuse you, or scare you for that matter.

I have been in silent opposition of the premature governor law from the start, and am finally addressing it now that it is not being handled with consistency.

 

[Black_Hole]

It looks like admiral-bell has complied with this silly law, so as a citizen I would like to see this matter dropped.

If we are going to crack down on premature governors, shouldn't we put a gag order on all references to premature city names? These include the unofficially named city threads in the Government forum, as well as any references to illegal city names in the Citizens Forum. These threads actually go against a ruling from the court and nothing seems to be getting done about those.

This is not a request for a Judicial Review, as a ruling has already been made. But who is going to enforce this ruling against the premature governors of Civatonia, Styx and the Augean Stables?

first off, I am just wishing for everyone to comply with the law, which is my legal responsibility
now technically the cities have yet to be named, as they haven't been built(except Olympus), so the elected officials can name their threads whatever they want... there is no city, thus no city name, just the name in a threads title

edit: and yes, I did notice he complied shortly after i requested it

 

[RegentMan]

Question #1 is very simple and should have no merit IMO:

Each candidate that receives a vote from more than ½ of the citizens that vote in the poll will be accepted as a DP for that term.

If elected again, they will go above people that played a session the previous term

But it says nothing of what happens if they don't get to play. We can only assume that they're out of luck.

 

[RegentMan]

I want to amend Section F.2 of the code of laws. The discussion thread has been opened for the minimum 24/48 hour mark.

Here's how it stands now:

Section F.2 Declaration of War
To declare a war, the Minister of Foreign Affairs will create a normal poll for the House, and a thread poll for the Senate. If more than 50% of the voters, not counting abstain, in both polls support the declaration, war can be declared. If either poll gains a 67% majority in support of war, war may be declared regardless of the other poll.

I wish to change the 67% majority to a 2/3 majority. That was the way it was originally intended to be, but rounding has made this technically not the case.

Changes are in bold and italics.

Section F.2 Declaration of War
To declare a war, the Minister of Foreign Affairs will create a normal poll for the House, and a thread poll for the Senate. If more than 50% of the voters, not counting abstain, in both polls support the declaration, war can be declared. If either poll gains a two-thirds majority in support of war, war may be declared regardless of the other poll.

Do you approve? Options will be:
Yes
No
Abstain