Would you point out a cash register error (in your favour)?

Would you point out a cash register error (In your favour)?


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The focus is on the point of sale, so I have only thus far spoken to that issue, but if you want the truth, I do condemn the managment for such things. None of that changes the fact that you people are thieves, however, and that all of the trouble could be avoided through honesty.


My experience in England is that chain store cashiers really hate being told that they have made a mistake. If they have over charged you, then they try to put up with it; but if they have under charged you; they are really annoyed, think that you are stirring up trouble, maybe you are a management spy. They can get very nervous if they think their supervisor can hear you.

I've been to a restaurant near where I work for lunch five days a week and had the same combination of food and drink on three days, but been charged 3 varying amounts; and no they have not changed the menu price midweek.

Now let us suppose that one price was correct, one an over charge, and one an under charge. Well according to your 'thieves' logic then, the restaurant has stolen from me once and I have stolen from them once. I find that silly.

My policy is to ignore over or under charging if it is only a modest amount.
I am slightly hard of hearing and often have to ask others to repeat themselves so conversations over trivial amounts in noisy places can be very tedious.

And the legal position is much less clear 'thieves' than you imply.


(i) A store puts goods on its shelves which is an invitation to treat.

(ii) I put a number of goods in a supermarket trolley and go to a payment point. Now I may have estimated what the total should be, but my mental arithmetic is not perfect and unmarked reductions or cross discounts may apply that I have not noticed so I can not know for sure what the total is and I am therefore not, in UK law at least, making a final offer.

(iii) The cashier runs them across a bar code scanner and then quotes
me a total price. I regard that as their final offer.

(iv) I unequivocally accept that price and pay, thereby executing the contract.

I have therefore bought the goods at the contracted price so there is
no question of thievery.

Compare this with people who have bought goods over the Internet because they are very cheap (because the wrong price was typed in the database).
The general case law is that unless the price was so absurdly low, that the buyers must have realised it was a mistake, the contracted price stands.

If the store's computer system has miscalculated the price and
thereby its final offer, and I am not in any way responsible, then that
is not my liability. They are not paying me to serve as backup totaller.

Remember many chains stores have all sorts of complicated offers,
(typically designed to confuse customers, encourage impulse buying
and distract from rational comparisons) designed by marketeers who
may want to dump surplus stock, often built into their computer systems and
one can miss the offer posters. Sometimes the staff at the checkouts don't know.
These offers vary from: Buy two, get one free. If you buy the electronic
fire alarm, batteries are half price or free. If you spent so much
last week, there is a discount this week. If you buy three books,
then one (but which one?) is half price. Now if such complexity
defeats their IT systems or bewilders their staff, who is to blame?

Uhr, it is certainly not me.

Now if there is a long queue behind and I say, hold on; you are charging
me £24.98 and I calculated it to be £25.97; then there is often a deathly silence, sometimes interrupted by a curse, disgruntled muttering and,
according to my luck, the bloke or old lady right behind me in the queue
may decide to ram me in the legs with their shopping trolley, because
they quite reasonably regard me as wasting the whole queue's time.

'Thieves' is a totally unwarranted accusation to fling at us CivFanatics.
 
I have to say, I do think it's stealing.

EdwardTking said:
hold on; you are charging me £24.98 and I calculated it to be £25.97
When would you ever notice that you'd been undercharged by 99p.... That's just a rather absurd example.

We're talking about cases where the sum of money is necessarily large; large enough to notice that you've been undercharged. I think if it is large enough to be noticed, then it is stealing.
 
I have to say, I do think it's stealing.

When would you ever notice that you'd been undercharged by 99p.... That's just a rather absurd example.

You may of course choose your own preferred example.


We're talking about cases where the sum of money is necessarily large; large enough to notice that you've been undercharged. I think if it is large enough to be noticed, then it is stealing.

Adding bold to my previous post's sentence.

My policy is to ignore over or under charging if it is only a modest amount..

I can notice a difference which is not large, and not worth stopping
the queue while they fetch the manager to enter in her pass key.
 
My policy is to ignore over or under charging if it is only a modest amount..

I can notice a difference which is not large, and not worth stopping
the queue while they fetch the manager to enter in her pass key.

Okay, that's fair enough.
 
Personally it would depend on how much over he was giving me.

Though I was at Radioshack once buying a USB cable for my printer, and the guy was, well to accurately state my feelings, a pr!ck. He ended up giving me about $10 extra back, I said nothing and walked out of the store.
 
I don't NEED a $15 bottle of wine... but we drank it tonight and it was FANTASTIC. :)

The wine reviewer in the Toronto Star claims that this stuff "drinks like a $90 bottle"... I've never had a $90 bottle to compare with but it WAS damn good.

Can you please tell which wine it was.
Maybe I can buy it for my girl-friend. She likes good white wines.
 
Personally it would depend on how much over he was giving me.

Though I was at Radioshack once buying a USB cable for my printer, and the guy was, well to accurately state my feelings, a pr!ck. He ended up giving me about $10 extra back, I said nothing and walked out of the store.

Exactly.

If the store is run by jerkoffs, or I get crappy service, etc. I keep any mistaken change and refer to it as "a-hole tax".
 
Can you please tell which wine it was.
Maybe I can buy it for my girl-friend. She likes good white wines.

Deen de Bortoli Vat 8 Shiraz 2004

Was actually a red...
 
In your (the OP) case, I probably wouldn't have noticed. But when I notice I usually let them know there has been a mistake.

One time I walked on a bus without paying, I was so busy talking with my friends that I forgot to. But when I later realized that I forgot to pay I went up to the driver and say that I'd forgot to pay, and here is the money. Then she (the driver) say that I sneaked and should be fined the 60 dollar fee for sneaking unto the bus. What rude idiocy! If I sneaked, why would I voluntarily come up tp her to pay? I wouldn't have any of that, I was not gonna pay that fine. And I didn't.
 
I guess I'm the type that woudn't notice.

If I would, I'd probably correct the situation, totally independent of amount or who woudl benefit from it. IF the amount of money is in no way worth the hassle, I'd let it go.

I pick out 4 bottles - 3 red and 1 white. The prices are as follows:

1) $8.99
2) $12.95
3) $12.45
4) $15.00

Is the Canadian dollar worth peanuts, do you have an expensive taste, or is wine ridiculously expensive anyway in Canadistan?

Here in NL, a top quality wine can be purchased for less than 5 euros. For 10 euros, you really have something special.
 
Well, I can honestly say yes, because that is how I behaved when I was in that situation.

When I discovered the error, I felt so awful that the money might come out of the clerks paycheque (she just seemed like a new employee trying to earn her way through school while lacking some English skills), that I had to give the money back.

It was only like 5 bucks though.
 
Is the Canadian dollar worth peanuts, do you have an expensive taste, or is wine ridiculously expensive anyway in Canadistan?

Here in NL, a top quality wine can be purchased for less than 5 euros. For 10 euros, you really have something special.

Well these are generally mid range wines... Not sure what the answer to your question is really but I consider them to be relatively inexpensive.

Generally I buy nice reds in the $12 or $13 range... $9 is certainly drinkable but of noticeably less quality then at $13... $15 usually gets you something I really enjoy but I don't usually spend that much. But certainly if you want you can quite easily spend $25 to $30.

Now lets look at the exchange rate - 1 Euro = 1.5 Canadian.. so your $10 is about $15 Canadian. It's hard to compare really because the "quality" of wine is so subjective.

I've actually heard that in Ontario we get wine at relatively good prices (compared to other North American markets) because the LCBO has some of the best buying power in the world - They are the sole purchaser, internationally of wine for ALL 12 million residents of Ontario.
 
They forget to ring something up, certainly point it out. They give me the wrong change, certainly point it out. Some idiot puts a $100 tag on a $200 item, certainly insist they sell it for $100.
 
They forget to ring something up, certainly point it out. They give me the wrong change, certainly point it out. Some idiot puts a $100 tag on a $200 item, certainly insist they sell it for $100.

From a morality standpoint.. what's the difference? All three situations involve you benefiting from the retailers mistakes... Why is one ok but not the other two?
 
From a morality standpoint.. what's the difference? All three situations involve you benefiting from the retailers mistakes... Why is one ok but not the other two?

Your advertised price must be at least as low as the price charged. I once found a pair of $40 khaki pants (that were my exact size) marked for $8. I asked the clerk if it was a mistake, and she said yes but she would give them to me for $8 because that was the tagged price.

I wasn't even pressuring her as I hadn't planned on buying them. I just asked out of genuine curiosity. Needless to say, I did after she convinced me it was perfectly all right.
 
Your advertised price must be at least as low as the price charged. I once found a pair of $40 khaki pants (that were my exact size) marked for $8. I asked the clerk if it was a mistake, and she said yes but she would give them to me for $8 because that was the tagged price.

I wasn't even pressuring her, I just asked out of genuine curiosity.

In my country, if they are advertised at a price, then by law you have to sell it at that price, it is up to the store to advertise goods at the correct price, and your statutory(purchasing) Rights are not affected by mistakes.

Recently a prominent wine merchant suposedly underpriced their goods over the internet, they decided to uphold their promise. Although to be honest I think that wasn't just the law, they probably saw that the advertising about the issue was going to bring them serious money, in fact thinking about it that's a pretty clever way to draw in business.
 
Heh, I once worked at a deli meat counter where the numbers would on occasion slide around on the little holder thing. This one meat (some premium roast beefy thing) which was around $8.99. Well, it looked like it said 89, so an enterprizing customer demanded I give it to him at 89 cents/lb, but I noted the lack of decimal point and claimed that the sign actually said $89/lb. I asked if he would like it if I charged him that. He declined.
 
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