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Ok so we are divided on wether Civ 5 will be playable with Xpacs (expansion packs) or not. e.g. Warlords did not make Civ 4 better, but beyond the sword did. There are a large % of us that wont even play civ 5. so should Firaxis cut their losses on civ 5, pack it up and get it in the $5 bargain...

I have played half a dozen games of Civ V and not even sure where to start, I guess being fair with the good stuff. CIV V good stuff hex grid is better, combat is better, city states are a nice little addition, yea Ive run out already. three small good ideas, sorry Firaxis your game cant...