Imperium Offtopicum VI

Asia Is a LOT BIGGER than North America. Thanks for Clarifiying Sri Lanka, I will now go draw a line on my map with the words 'You shall not Pass' written on it, and Write 'Here Be Dragons' In Asia. We should probably stop posting about this now, it's gonna become spammy fairly soon.

DT
Drawin' with Crayons

@Carthage, as your friend, I'd recomend just claiming without asking. If you get that many no's, just claim something, and if it looks like it's going to come to war, renounce the claim. I'm only asking becuase I seem to have reasonable neighbors, and I have alot of land that I can use as a backup plan. (OOC: That's how I usually play, and it's worked for me in the past)

I ask Because the Asian Countries are Fairly Touchy about that stuff, and I don't want it to seem like I'm breaking my deal with them. Thanks for the Advise though, I'll try that when I'm in a less Tense Area.

DT
Thanking A Freind

He claimed in Taiwan and I pmed him about pulling out of Asia. We ended up coming to an agreement. But both Civplayah and Dommy want a war with Carthage because he owns Singapore. And Preatoria is prepared to attack if he claims any more in Asia.

So heres my advice. Claiming in Asia without our consent will give you a war with 4 people. If you bring in allies, it could be a world war.

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The New South African Union (NSAU)

Leader: Manyara Chidiebube
Religion: The NSAU has no state religion, though Christianity and traditional African religions hold dominance in the region.
Languages: Afrikaans, English, Ndebele, Northern Sotho, Sotho, Swazi, Tswana, Tsonga, Venda, Xhosa and Zulu are the official languages of the NSAU, though it also recognizes several other unofficial languages.
Capital: Johannesburg is the official capital of the NSAU, though individual organizations may house there headquarters in other cities.
Government structure: The NSAU has a unique style of governance. At the basic level, you have the independent nations, which hold a good deal of sovereignty over their individual areas. However, above them is the very powerful supranational union of the Greater Federal Union (GFU). The GFU is the union of three major organizations (the Trade Union, the Assegai, and the United African Parliament (UAP)) which hold a great deal of influence and control over specific aspects of the government. The Trade Union deals heavily with economic issues, the Assegai deal with law enforcement, intelligence gathering, and special military operation, and the UAP houses the main legislative and executive bodies. The UAP is the most open to the populace, with a tricameral National Congress which deals with interstate legislature. The Assembly of States is directly elected by the people of the member nations, based on proportionality. The National Senate is comprised of members elected by the governers of each nation. Judicial duties are divided amongst the three, depending on the area of expertise. Each of these three organizations contribute three members to the Grand Council, which is designed to keep each organization's power in check. The Grand Council also forms the third part of the National Congress.
Economy: The NSAU employs a mixed economic model. A majority of the economy is local market based economies, with larger, regional companies existing in major urban areas. Certain key industries have been nationalized and placed under control of the Trade Union. Interstate and international corporations are carefully scrutinized and subject to regulation, but are not directly in government control.
Military: The NSAU holds a fairly powerful military force. The army and air force are given considerable attention, while the navy is almost none existent. Command of the military is divided amongst the three partners of the GFU. In addition, each nation with the NSAU holds a small self-defense force.
Legal: The NSAU holds a some socially liberal stance on politics. Its main concerns are combating economic inequality, social injustice, and is known to have passed several progressive laws concerning civil liberties.
Development: The NSAU is considered to be a developing nation. It is currently reaching close to the level of development of South Africa in the early 21st century. Science and technology are not yet at 1st world standards, but recent investments into these fields have seen a minor increase in these areas.
Foreign policy: The NSAU seeks to bring peace and stability to as much of Africa as they can. The NSAU is willing to use whatever means necessary to complete this, though they prefer to do things through diplomatic channels and humanitarian missions.
Description: After the massive upheavals of the mid-21st cetury and the global destruction brougth about by the Plague, the government of South Africa quickly began loosing control of various regions. lawlessness soon struck the country, with various ethnic groups and warlords gaining powers. Out of this chaos, three major organizations arose; the Trade Union, the Assegai, and the United African Parliament. These organizations quickly began to bring the nation under their control, united various factions and bringing stability to the region. They eventually joined together to create the NSAU, combining their resources. The NSAU has recently enjoyed great prosperity, due to the help of the IUN.

@Celt- I already Claimed the West Cape, but it is obviously your core Territory. If We agree to exchange It for something next turn, say you Claimng Something In Italy next turn and Swapping then we could Resolve any Disputes that may Arise. I would also like to Propose A trading Agreement and an open Borders treaty, to ensure goodwill between The Nations of Africa.

DT
Another Border Dispute

ZeletDude said:

We have talked to both Burgundy (Arakhor) and Polska (Thorvald of Lym) about this and we announce the following lands in our SoI.
Color referance:

Darker blue: Home territories (Germany)
Lighter blue: Countries we claim, Austria, Czech Republic, Slovakia, 1/2 of Switzerland, Hungary, Bosnia, Croatia and Slovenia.

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@ Carthage

We will recognize your claim to Italy if you recognize our SOI (light blue)

OOC: Fine, I'll change it to something else for now. Are there any other claims I should be aware of?

Looks Reasonable to me. Carthage ackowlages The Federation Of Central Europe's SOI as seen in the Above Map.

Carthage also offers the FoCE a trade agreement, and requests to be allowed to construct an embassy in the Federations Capital.

Edit:OOC: Thank You Celt. You could try Central Africa, or South america, or Britain.
Edit: I think I may have misinterpreted it. I don't think there are any other claims in that area though

DT
Politicin'

Dem Taqat said:

Looks Reasonable to me. Carthage ackowlages The Federation Of Central Europe's SOI as seen in the Above Map.

Carthage also offers the FoCE a trade agreement, and requests to be allowed to construct an embassy in the Federations Capital.

Edit:OOC: Thank You Celt. You could try Central Africa, or South america, or Britain.

DT
Politicin'

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This is certainly agreeable.

The rise of a nationalist myth in the post-annihilation period gave way to the rise of a nationalist government in Greece. Establishing military and economic control throughout the region, the "Hellenic Imperium" was proclaimed. The reigning Emperor, currently Alexander V of the "New Hellenic dynasty" maintains power as sovereign, but defers in internal matters to the government of the Prime Minister. The Prime Minister, who is elected by the members of the Imperial Parliament, orders internal affairs and is the voice of internal government. The sovereign Emperor maintains power of foreign policy and sovereignty, and it is his voice that calls for war, peace, or the sale or transfer of sovereign territory, et cetera. During the early years of the Imperium, parliamentarian positions were appointive based on the whim of the Emperor, although the Progressive movement of recent years has finally begun to break down imperial hold over the Imperial Parliament, and the positions therein are now elective. Parliamentarians have the right to vote and hold council over laws which effect the internal and domestic affairs of the Imperium, and the Prime Minister has the authority of the Emperor to sign or dismiss these laws as he or she sees fit. The reigning Prime Minister is Sarah Llezysk.

There are various acknowledged political organizations or parties within the Imperial Parliament. Non-acknowledged parties are considered illegal gatherings of subversive individuals, and the term is generally known to be used to refer to terrorist or extremist groups which hold no seats in Parliament, either by consensus or by law.

Conservative Party
The continuation of the Nationalist Party, the Conservative Party was born at the end of the Second Imperial Administration and spearheaded the creation of the Third. The Nationalist Party, reigning since the Imperium was first proclaimed, during the appointive period held the entirety of seats in Parliament. The Progressive Revolutions which ended the First and Second Imperial Administrations forced the various adaptations of the Nationalist Party, until eventually it softened its tone both in name and manner with the creation of the Conservative Party. While the Nationalist Party maintained a bombastic rhetoric proclaiming the absolute justice of the imperial government, the Conservative Party professes only to wish the maintenance of imperial government, and the respect of the "Imperial traditions" established during the First Imperial Administration. It is the antithesis of the Progressive Party.

Progressive Party
The Progressive Party was born from the presumed failure of the First Imperial Administration, and saw its success therein with the "Progressive Revolution" which is generally agreed to be a particularly dramatic term used to refer to the reforms that resulted in the creation of the Second and Third Imperial Administrations, both milder than the last in their absolution regarding the power of the Imperial government. The Progressive Party maintains that a policy of reducing the power of the Imperial government is most beneficial to the greater welfare of the Imperium, and has formed coalitions with the Republican Party in order to head off the formerly-prevalent Nationalist majority.

Republican Party
The Republican Party is the furthest extreme of Progressive thought, spawned with the Third Imperial Administration as part of the reforms therein, and has campaigned since its inception for abolishing the Imperial government and the formation of a "pure parliamentary republic". Despite a nominal alliance in mutual interest with the Progressive Party, the Republican Party's dogmatic rhetoric loses it much favor among the average citizen, who on the whole looks on the Imperial government as a badge of honor for the Greek people, and it is generally too-often tied to various "terrorist-subversive" organizations which wreak havoc in Upper Macedonia.

Greek is the official language of the Imperium, and all governmental matters are conducted therein, as are all papers related to government (census forms, archives, so on and so forth) while the languages spoken throughout the Imperium are varied, although Greek is the acknowledged majority language, and the language of politics and commerce.

Athens, often referred to as the Imperial City, is the seat of Imperial government, wherein is located the Parliament House and its environs, as well as the Imperial Palace. The Imperial Palace is for the most part rather unimpressive when compared to the palatial homes of the emperors and monarchs of times gone past, but is decadent for its time and place, and is generally denounced by Progressive politicians as a call-back to the "Nationalist Era" and the First Imperial Administration.

Hymn of the Hellenic Unity

Carthage welcomes the Hellenic Imperium to the World Stage. We respectfully request you recognize our SOI in Italy and, if so, offer you a trade agreement and open borders treaty to aid Meditarainian Unity.

DT
Politicin'

so a proper Greek government controls Greece. Russia is pleased. anyway, the Emperor of Russia offers a trading agreement.

OOC: After investigating both treads, I have decided to change my staring points to this (the islands are Hawaii.)

From: The Hellenic Imperium
To: Carthage, Russia
We accept your proposals.

ZeletDude said:

@ Carthage

We will recognize your claim to Italy if you recognize our SOI (light blue)

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We wish to remain friendly to The Hellinic imperium and hope you accept our soi

ZeletDude said:

We wish to remain friendly to The Hellinic imperium and hope you accept our soi

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We do, and hope that other nations in the Mediterranean and across the globe recognize the north-eastern Balkans as within the Hellenic sphere of influence.

We do, and hope that other nations in the Mediterranean and across the globe recognize the north-western Balkans as within the Hellenic sphere of influence.

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I have no interest in Europe. As long as you stay out of Asia, I couldn't care less about what happens to you.

Dem Taqat said:

NORTH AMERICA??? That continent has 5 Civs!

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Not to mention almost all of it has been divided by Canada, the USSR, the NCR, New England, and the Caribbean Sun as per several treaties. We don't have an organisation to protect these claims just yet, but if Japan and Asia are going to be promoting expansion into NA, the USSR will work to strengthen defensive pacts in the area.

ilduce349 said:

Asia has 8 (counting Ottomans and Russia). Mexico is completely open though...

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The USSR likes how Japan and its allies have cordoned off Asia but are glad to sell out any other continent and disregard the locals there.

You also ignore the spheres of influence of the various states; North America's nations have all agreed on how the continent should be split. There are five of us and five of you.

We recommend Carthage to focus on Africa to avoid tensions with anyone, as well as strengthen their home territory.