RFCA - Arts thread

civ-addicted · Feb 7, 2011

Thanks!

I wanted the chinese units as a basis, most of the units have the chinese art defines in the <UnitMeshGroups> tag. I wanted the chinese art to be shown in the civilopedia, which is way better then european ones; but actually i changed not all of them, which leaves the subject in a bit of a mess :blush:

civ-addicted · Feb 10, 2011

Just a few quick questions and comments:
- You're adding Seleucos for the new Seleucid civ. Do you plan to use the Seleucos LH from the database? Because i think there are better ones around tbh. Amphianax or Phyrrus looks a lot better imo.
- Since you say that you have updated art for Dharmasetu: Do you really intend to replace the current one with the one veBear is using for his Indonesia module? The one in the current version looks just awesome, it could easily be one of Firaxis' LHs. And the other one; i don't want to be too harsh, but it's not Den's best work. Not using Indravarman would be such a waste.
- Do you have plans with Sejong? Because i'm afraid we have too much chinese LHs now :rolleyes:

- Abaoji wasn't leader of the Jurchen but the Khitan. So, someone had to say it. He should be renamed to an actual Jurchen leader, and i think that Taizu, the first emperor of the Jin dynasty would be best. Possible names could be Jin Taizu, but also his jurchen name Wanyen Akuta or just Akuta, which i prefer. The difference from Akuta to Taizu is like the difference from Kublai Khan to Shengde (his title as chinese emperor).
It's a bit awkward that veBear made him as Abaoji for us and we have to rename him :lol:

- To avoid the mystery tech, you could declare those barbarian units UUs for the barbarians.

EDIT:
- Bukhara had a bunch of names troughout history: Time for some flavoring!

Spoiler :

Black Whole · Feb 14, 2011

civ-addicted said:
Just a few quick questions and comments:
- You're adding Seleucos for the new Seleucid civ. Do you plan to use the Seleucos LH from the database? Because i think there are better ones around tbh. Amphianax or Phyrrus looks a lot better imo.
- Since you say that you have updated art for Dharmasetu: Do you really intend to replace the current one with the one veBear is using for his Indonesia module? The one in the current version looks just awesome, it could easily be one of Firaxis' LHs. And the other one; i don't want to be too harsh, but it's not Den's best work. Not using Indravarman would be such a waste.
- Do you have plans with Sejong? Because i'm afraid we have too much chinese LHs now
- Abaoji wasn't leader of the Jurchen but the Khitan. So, someone had to say it. He should be renamed to an actual Jurchen leader, and i think that Taizu, the first emperor of the Jin dynasty would be best. Possible names could be Jin Taizu, but also his jurchen name Wanyen Akuta or just Akuta, which i prefer. The difference from Akuta to Taizu is like the difference from Kublai Khan to Shengde (his title as chinese emperor).
It's a bit awkward that veBear made him as Abaoji for us and we have to rename him
- To avoid the mystery tech, you could declare those barbarian units UUs for the barbarians.

1. Actually, I already use Pyrrhus for Seleucos :lol:

. The only thing that bugs me is the sea behind him

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2. I use the old one for the Philippine leader... Do you think we should switch them?
3. Hmm... Actuallay not... maybe as a second ruler for Korea? (Although I don't know if we should use additional leaders at all...)
4. D'oh! You noticed that! Now I need to change that too. :lol:

I knew about this but somehow, I forgot to change that

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5. I don't even need the mystery tech for it... I just give them production costs of -1. I need the mystery techs for other things... It will be removed eventually.

I added the names for Bukhara and Samarkand. Thanks!

civ-addicted · Feb 15, 2011

For the background: Just tell us which one you like and we will put it in instead. But it's really not that hard to figure out how it works. All you need is nifscope and a programm to view dds files; even i managed it in a few minutes

I always forget about Butuan. Then we do have some kind of situation here. Honestly, i don't really like to see Gajah Mada in the mod.
The good thing about Butuan is that hardly noone knows anything about them. And all i can think of is "indianized kingdom", so we can use any LH from India to Phillipines.
Some examples:
Den's Taxilas
Giving them the old Vikramayaditya and Chalukya is using Chandragupta Maurya instead
Shaybani Khan with another BG
Fernanado Marcos with another BG and reskinned clothes
I'm sure i will end up using one of those in my version, it's up to you to decide about the offical one.

We don't need a second LH for the civs, that's true. I mean, most of them didn't last long enough to have two significant leaders

. SoI doesn't switch LH iirc and they are doing fine.
I was asking because we could use Sejong as Hongwu, they do look alike, and we could use the old Bilge as Bilge again.

Koreans can settle Kyushu, right? It's a nice city with some resources, and a naval base to attack Japan with ships. Korea deserves a name for that spot on the very west of Kyushu: Gilyagaeri. It's the Hanja reading of Yoshinogari, where they found a large Yayoi town, and Yayoi people are pretty likely immigrated from Korea. Okay, it's a little speculative, but it's better than having a city name in Japan that's supposed to be in Korea. Renamed to Yoshinogari if conquered by the Japanese, but not vice versa. The 2 tiles east of it can have that name too.
You just can't have enough of unique city names

And thanks to veBear for the tutorials. Already used it to make Gaozong less chubby than Kublai is.

Black Whole · Feb 17, 2011

civ-addicted said:
For the background: Just tell us which one you like and we will put it in instead. But it's really not that hard to figure out how it works. All you need is nifscope and a programm to view dds files; even i managed it in a few minutes

I always forget about Butuan. Then we do have some kind of situation here. Honestly, i don't really like to see Gajah Mada in the mod.
The good thing about Butuan is that hardly noone knows anything about them. And all i can think of is "indianized kingdom", so we can use any LH from India to Phillipines.
Some examples:
Den's Taxilas
Giving them the old Vikramayaditya and Chalukya is using Chandragupta Maurya instead
Shaybani Khan with another BG
Fernanado Marcos with another BG and reskinned clothes
I'm sure i will end up using one of those in my version, it's up to you to decide about the offical one.

We don't need a second LH for the civs, that's true. I mean, most of them didn't last long enough to have two significant leaders. SoI doesn't switch LH iirc and they are doing fine.
I was asking because we could use Sejong as Hongwu, they do look alike, and we could use the old Bilge as Bilge again.

Koreans can settle Kyushu, right? It's a nice city with some resources, and a naval base to attack Japan with ships. Korea deserves a name for that spot on the very west of Kyushu: Gilyagaeri. It's the Hanja reading of Yoshinogari, where they found a large Yayoi town, and Yayoi people are pretty likely immigrated from Korea. Okay, it's a little speculative, but it's better than having a city name in Japan that's supposed to be in Korea. Renamed to Yoshinogari if conquered by the Japanese, but not vice versa. The 2 tiles east of it can have that name too.
You just can't have enough of unique city names

And thanks to veBear for the tutorials. Already used it to make Gaozong less chubby than Kublai is.

You wouldn't believe how terrible I am at arts :lol:

. But in the end, I don't think the BG is that important, I will do it later.

I don't know why you find Gajah Mada so terrible... I think he is a nice LH and fits better for Tondo (Butuan).

Hmm, and there I thought you got used to the new Bilge

. The only think I don't like about Sejong is his similarity to Taizong....

Just keep those names coming! I find this one of the most interesting features

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civ-addicted · Feb 17, 2011

Black Whole said:
I don't know why you find Gajah Mada so terrible... I think he is a nice LH and fits better for Tondo (Butuan).

Hmm, and there I thought you got used to the new Bilge . The only think I don't like about Sejong is his similarity to Taizong....

The smile is creepy as hell (like offering you candy and inviting you in his windowless van)

I havn't seen Gajah Mada in-game; we'll see how it turns out. At least it would be better to use him for Butuan, and Indravarman will still be used as Dharmasetu.
Have you considered using the polynesian citystyle for Butuan? (EDIT: it's semi-serious. It would fit the area, but not exactly Hinduism which they will end up with (i guess?))

In Varietas Deletat (which is already included in the .fpk) there are tons of buildings that are perfect for the mod. Asian bank -> Vietnam's Communal House fe.
~~I don't know if it's intentional or not, but some buildings are part of citystyles. I've seen Buddha Statues in Korea (without Buddhism) and other strange things.~~ EDIT: i figured it out: The Koreans and Japanese are using the black Buddha Statue as the Monument, and the South East Asians are using the golden one. If you consider that a problem (i kinda do; it's like with the units

) I'll look into it next week.
That about Sejong is true :think:

civ-addicted · Feb 24, 2011

I got some stuff you can consider to add.

1. Music
I merged the diplo music from "The history of the three kingdoms" mod and those i gave you a long time ago. I sorted them, every era has now 10 to 15 songs, except for the first one. xml tags are in txt files, you just need to copy-paste.
>>>download here<<<
Better be fast, they deleted the last file pretty early

2. Port
A neat little idea how the Sri Vijaya Port can look like. A normal harbor, but all those buildings are replaced by SE asian ones.

3. New colors
Since you go with green, you might as well choose a green to make their flag look like the original one. These are the values i use:

Spoiler :

Maybe Chalukya should have a new color too. The brown/black from the Natives looks like crap both metaphorically and literally. I took the HRE yellow as primary and white as secondary color. The results are in the screenies from the VD post above.

4. Gaozong
I got some serious problems with him, i hope some in the graphic modpack forum can solve it. Always led to crashes for me :confused:

civ-addicted · Mar 6, 2011

VD for RFCA wouldn't be complete without the Koreans and the Japanese; so here you go.
download

One thing had to be changed: the Bowman has new art. Simply because i can't stand a samurai with a bow. Unless it's historical; if it is, please let me know.

srpt · Mar 9, 2011

not only did they use bows, but their horses could walk on water

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civ-addicted · Mar 10, 2011

I see, japanese history has even more awesomeness to offer than i thought. We might as well replace some of their boats with Horsemen

Thanks; i didn't knew that. In that case, you're of course free to use the old model. Best would be to make my Composite Archer the Archer and my Bowman the Composite Archer. The Samurai Bowman will stay the Bowman then.

civ-addicted · Mar 13, 2011

May i introduce?

Song Gaozong, first emperor of the Southern Song Dynasty and a notable artist.

Not 100% finished... He needs to be shadered, and i need to learn what shadering actually means :mischief:

Based on Kublai Khan, or actually Qin Shi Huangdi, as those LHs where flipped at some point in the past. I used the background kfm from Hayam, and included it by using another LH based on Kublai...bla bla bla etc. So don't be too amazed if there is a file left that actually doesn't belong there.
Comes along with a background (the western lake in Hangzhou), button and Civilopedia text. I'd have tried to make a personality, but i don't know what the Song should accomplish in the game. *hint hint*

Congratulations are welcome

.
And my thanks go to Ekmek for his lh-guide; but noone wanted to help me personally in the graphic modpack forums. They all looked at my file, and not even a response like "hey man, Ekmek made a great tutorial. Go check it out". Thanks guys...

EDIT: Just proper arrangement, the upload thing works again.

Leoreth · Mar 13, 2011

Good work! :goodjob:

civ-addicted · Mar 13, 2011

Danke!

If Black Whole shows a sign of life again, to allay my fears that RFCA is dead, i might give Gaozong better clothes. Based on Wang Kon's, in red silk.

The Capo · Mar 14, 2011

civ-addicted said:
Danke!

If Black Whole shows a sign of life again, to allay my fears that RFCA is dead, i might give Gaozong better clothes. Based on Wang Kon's, in red silk.

Do it anyway and upload it, it is a great LH. :goodjob:

civ-addicted · Mar 14, 2011

The Capo said:
Do it anyway and upload it, it is a great LH.

Now that's what i call knighting! I'm really honored to hear that from someone like you.
If you say so, i definitly make it.

Black Whole · Mar 20, 2011

Thanks for your art! I really like Gaozong

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But as for the music, I have to say that most of the tracks aren't good... it sounds good but I don't think that it fits he mod, since there is much to much orchestra... I think we should look for oher tracks...

And yeah, the Japanes samurai has warbows, they were called Yumi.. so I ill keep it

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civ-addicted · Mar 20, 2011

I'm not really into Kyudo, but when i think of Yumi, i have something like that in mind:

But that picture with the horse going all jesus and walking on water is enough to convience me that a Samurai with a bow is fine.
FYI i wanted to make a yumi unit that looks like the ones on the picture. But obviously you don't want that :lol:

civ-addicted · Mar 26, 2011

This is just a stupid little idea i got yesterday. What a waste that there are no accurate animals in asia :mischief:

It's an inofficial project of mine to mod any kind of graphic that are available in Civ. I lack inspiration and motivation to change Gaozong (don't worry, one day i'm gonna return to him) at the moment, so i changed some ressources.
Lo and behold: These are more than just simple reskins. Noticed the hanging ears of the zebus? That was me

The resources are based on some files i found in the unpacked SoI .fpk file, which somehow still is on my computer. They were quite handy.
Well here are the pics:

fyi, the zebus are cows held india, and the pot-bellied pigs are from Vietnam, people from the west know them primarily as pets.
If you want to install them, just unzip the attached file in Assets/Art/Terrain/Resources.
I have more ideas, but i'm also open for suggestions. Even if you think those models here can be improved.

Black Whole · Mar 27, 2011

New animals!!!!

I don't know how to use them though... those are quite specific, at least for this mod...

civ-addicted · Mar 27, 2011

I don't take it personally if you don't like them (say it out loud, there's no way ever you can freeze me out

). They are also doing fine in my version only; whatever is best for the mod. Really.

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