Dancing Hoskuld
Deity
Go for it. I do have problems with the desert/dunes names especially since some desert that fits the dune category is just rock (gibber). then there is the cold deserts Gobi and Antarctic plateau.
New terrain features
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Go for it. I do have problems with the desert/dunes names especially since some desert that fits the dune category is just rock (gibber). then there is the cold deserts Gobi and Antarctic plateau.
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
Desert = Soil Ground (ex. American Southwest)
Dunes = Sand Dunes (ex. Sahara Dunes)
Note that neither had a specific climate. Antarctic would be a mixture of Desert, Barren, Tundra, Permafrost and Ice terrains. Gobi Desert would be Would probably be a mix of Desert, Dunes, Barren and maybe even Permafrost.
Attached is the changed PerfectWorld2f script and the TerrainInfo I used to test it (only uses the art from the old terrain).
With all the new terrain the assignment from rainfall map to terrain is a bit too strict now as it only considers the two terrain types closest to the simulated rainfall.
I'll change that to a broader randomness later.
With all the new terrain the assignment from rainfall map to terrain is a bit too strict now as it only considers the two terrain types closest to the simulated rainfall.
I'll change that to a broader randomness later.
Dancing Hoskuld
Deity
I was just doing the same thing
. I have made it a module also and will post it to the SVN soonish. that way Hydromancerx can add the game text.
AIAndy can you put back in the map script the ocean terrain features - reef and kelp. Plus look at the ideas for marsh terrain I posted earlier. We don't have mangrove or papyrus yet, but the rest are OK.
Edit: Two things that will make our lives easier.
1) You only need the new or changed stuff in your module.
2) If you change the name of the terrains to those we are using rather than the Dune Wars names.
I am about to put it in the SVN under the Resources\NewTerrains folder. To use it you will need to edit the MLF file to turn it on. That way it wont break other maps etc. then when we have it ready for more general consumption I will turn it on in the MLF eg when we have the text file.
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
I was just doing the same thing
AIAndy can you put back in the map script the ocean terrain features - reef and kelp. Plus look at the ideas for marsh terrain I posted earlier. We don't have mangrove or papyrus yet, but the rest are OK.
Edit: Two things that will make our lives easier.
1) You only need the new or changed stuff in your module.
2) If you change the name of the terrains to those we are using rather than the Dune Wars names.
I am about to put it in the SVN under the Resources\NewTerrains folder. To use it you will need to edit the MLF file to turn it on. That way it wont break other maps etc. then when we have it ready for more general consumption I will turn it on in the MLF eg when we have the text file.
Sure. I can give them new text. I will take a look at the files as soon I finish updating my SVN.
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
@Dancing Hoskuld
Ok I added text to the SVN. I also included text for the "sea" terrain if we ever get around to making one for that too. The file is called "C2CTerrain_CIV4GameTextInfos" and is in the New Terrain folder.
New text added include ...
- Permafrost
- Barren
- Rocky
- Scrub
- Dunes
- Salt Flats
- Lush
- Muddy
- Sea
EDIT: Looks like Marsh is missing text. I will go add that too.
Also I may need to make a new button for Barren since it has the same button as plains.
Ok I added text to the SVN. I also included text for the "sea" terrain if we ever get around to making one for that too. The file is called "C2CTerrain_CIV4GameTextInfos" and is in the New Terrain folder.
New text added include ...
- Permafrost
- Barren
- Rocky
- Scrub
- Dunes
- Salt Flats
- Lush
- Muddy
- Sea
EDIT: Looks like Marsh is missing text. I will go add that too.
Also I may need to make a new button for Barren since it has the same button as plains.
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
Ok I fixed terrain stats and added a new barren terrain button.
However the new terrain button is not showing up. Could someone go look at the new files on the SVN and see why the barren button is still the plains button?
EDIT: Something is very wrong with the terrain. I was trying to place terrain and they were all mixed up.
For instance ...
Lush = Appeared as Mountains Underwater
Barren = Appeared as Black Water
Rocky = Appeared as Green Water
Scrub = Appeared as Green Water
Dunes = Appeared as Lush Terrain
Salt Flats = Appeared as Plains
Permafrost = Appeared as Rocky
Muddy = Appeared as Scrub
So yeah they re all screwy. Note this was on a Perfect World map. Note that the changed Desert terrain showed up fine.
However the new terrain button is not showing up. Could someone go look at the new files on the SVN and see why the barren button is still the plains button?
EDIT: Something is very wrong with the terrain. I was trying to place terrain and they were all mixed up.
For instance ...
Lush = Appeared as Mountains Underwater
Barren = Appeared as Black Water
Rocky = Appeared as Green Water
Scrub = Appeared as Green Water
Dunes = Appeared as Lush Terrain
Salt Flats = Appeared as Plains
Permafrost = Appeared as Rocky
Muddy = Appeared as Scrub
So yeah they re all screwy. Note this was on a Perfect World map. Note that the changed Desert terrain showed up fine.
Dancing Hoskuld
Deity
I am having a look.
BTW I would like to change the name of the feature FEATURE_BONES to FEATURE_FOSSIL. What I will do is add a new feature with the new name and same stats, then when Hydro changes all his buildings I will get rid of the BONES one. It will make life easier in the long run.
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
@Dancing Hoskuld
1. Sure I can change them all to FEATURE_FOSSIL. I will upload them to the SVN for ya. Just no it will give errors until you change it over to FEATURE_FOSSIL.
2. Can you make sure you use the FfH Age of Ice Tundra terrain texture/graphic for the barren terrain? Currently on the SVN its using default plains, which looks wrong.
3. On the C2CPWf map that AIAndy posted the generation seems to work nicely. However there may be too much salt flats. It seems to dominated the arid regions. I also noticed that the bigger the map the better and more organic it looks. I can't wait to see the maps with both the new base terrain and the new terrain features.
EDIT: As requested by DH, changed FEATURE_BONES to FEATURE_FOSSIL for fossil related buildings on the SVN.
1. Sure I can change them all to FEATURE_FOSSIL. I will upload them to the SVN for ya. Just no it will give errors until you change it over to FEATURE_FOSSIL.
2. Can you make sure you use the FfH Age of Ice Tundra terrain texture/graphic for the barren terrain? Currently on the SVN its using default plains, which looks wrong.
3. On the C2CPWf map that AIAndy posted the generation seems to work nicely. However there may be too much salt flats. It seems to dominated the arid regions. I also noticed that the bigger the map the better and more organic it looks. I can't wait to see the maps with both the new base terrain and the new terrain features.
EDIT: As requested by DH, changed FEATURE_BONES to FEATURE_FOSSIL for fossil related buildings on the SVN.
Dancing Hoskuld
Deity
@Dancing Hoskuld
1. Sure I can change them all to FEATURE_FOSSIL. I will upload them to the SVN for ya. Just no it will give errors until you change it over to FEATURE_FOSSIL.
2. Can you make sure you use the FfH Age of Ice Tundra terrain texture/graphic for the barren terrain? Currently on the SVN its using default plains, which looks wrong.
3. On the C2CPWf map that AIAndy posted the generation seems to work nicely. However there may be too much salt flats. It seems to dominated the arid regions. I also noticed that the bigger the map the better and more organic it looks. I can't wait to see the maps with both the new base terrain and the new terrain features.
2. There are no graphics for any terrains in FfH Age of Ice which suggests it is using the default BtS terrain graphics.
the new terrain barren button is four times too big! It should be 64x64 but is 128x128.
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
Hmmm. Well then use the default Civ4 Tundra then. Also make sure the Grassland Texture is the default Civ4 too instead of the current one so there is more of a contrast between Lush and Grassland terrain.
Not sure how I did that. The SVN is now updated with a 64x64 version. Sorry about that.
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
Also how can we change the terraforming stuff? I was thinking it should upgrade like this ...
Salt Flats -> Dunes -> Desert -> Scrub -> Rocky -> Barren -> Plains -> Grassland -> Lush
Ice -> Permafrost -> Tundra -> Barren -> Plains -> Grassland -> Lush
Marsh -> Muddy -> Lush
Where Lush would be the optimal terrain type.
Salt Flats -> Dunes -> Desert -> Scrub -> Rocky -> Barren -> Plains -> Grassland -> Lush
Ice -> Permafrost -> Tundra -> Barren -> Plains -> Grassland -> Lush
Marsh -> Muddy -> Lush
Where Lush would be the optimal terrain type.
Done. The map script places reef and kelp again and places marsh features depending on average temperature. I also reduzed the salt flat percentage.I was just doing the same thing
AIAndy can you put back in the map script the ocean terrain features - reef and kelp. Plus look at the ideas for marsh terrain I posted earlier. We don't have mangrove or papyrus yet, but the rest are OK.
Some questions:
1) Should the rainfall -> terrain assignment be more random? Currently it is pretty strict with only 1-2 terrains possible depending on rainfall (e.g. if the rainfall is fitting for plains but in the upper half near grass rainfall, then it is either plains or grassland, but never any other terrain).
2) Currently the cold terrains (ice, permafrost, tundra) are assigned strictly depending on the temperature and only above tundra temperature rainfall is considered. Should rainfall be considered below upper tundra temperature and maybe a subset of the other terrains be possible?
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
1. Actually i like the strictness of it. They seems quite realistic now, much like a climate map.
2. Hmm. Thinking it over it may be best not to touch that stuff since there are only so many posts for polar biomes. And taking away spots would mean less ice, permafrost and tundra.
In short I would say no to both. Leave them as they are for now. Then after some play testing we can see if they need to be adjusted.
EDIT:
@Dancing Hoskuld
1. Can you make sure that "Salt" resource only spawns in Salt Flats Terrain?
2. Can you make Bamboo and Sword Grass grow at a faster rate than normal jungle or forest do? That way if you chopped forest grass would come into fill the empty space faster than a forest regrow.
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
@Dancing Hoskuld
So?
1. Can you make sure that "Salt" resource only spawns in Salt Flats Terrain?
2. Can you make Bamboo and Sword Grass grow at a faster rate than normal jungle or forest do? That way if you chopped forest grass would come into fill the empty space faster than a forest regrow.
3. Can you change the Barren Terrain to use the Civ4 Tundra?
4. Can you change the Grassland Texture is the default Civ4 Grassland?
5. Can you change the terraforming stuff? I was thinking it should upgrade like this ...
6. Why is my Barren button still showing up as the Plains button even though I changed it to 64x64 and changed the location path in the XML?
So?
1. Can you make sure that "Salt" resource only spawns in Salt Flats Terrain?
2. Can you make Bamboo and Sword Grass grow at a faster rate than normal jungle or forest do? That way if you chopped forest grass would come into fill the empty space faster than a forest regrow.
3. Can you change the Barren Terrain to use the Civ4 Tundra?
4. Can you change the Grassland Texture is the default Civ4 Grassland?
5. Can you change the terraforming stuff? I was thinking it should upgrade like this ...
Spoiler :
6. Why is my Barren button still showing up as the Plains button even though I changed it to 64x64 and changed the location path in the XML?
Dancing Hoskuld
Deity
1. Why? It is mined in mountains in Europe and scraped from the shore line in Australia and India. Also if I do so then I will never get salt in my games because I don't use Perfect World map script so don't have the salt flats terrain.
2-4. Yes
5. Not sure where this is done.
6. No idea. I had problems with my working version of C2C and have moved back to the SVN version. This meas I am slowly working all the stuff I am working n back in a bit at a time while I try and figure out what went wrong. This is having the benefit of me finishing and posting some stuff.
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
1. Well can you make it more frequent in Slat Flats then?
2-4. Yay! Thank you!
5. This and possibly global warming may be messed up if we don't know where this is controlled.
6. Hmm. Just make sure you use the SVN copy of the terrain info since i tweaked a bunch of them so they could all be different from each other.
7. There is also a problem with the new terrains. In the C2CPWf from AIAndy the terrains show up fine. But if you use world builder to place terrain they are are messed up. See this post.
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
@C2C Team
So with the new terrain I would like to have the cold and aird promotions cover more than just desert and tundra. The tag for it is <IgnoreTerrainDamage>TERRAIN_DESERT</IgnoreTerrainDamage>, however I am unsure how you add more terrain types to this. In short i would like to change them to ...
Arctic Combat = No Terrain Damage from Tundra, Permafrost or Ice.
Desert Combat = No Terrain Damage from Desert, Dunes or Salt Flats.
So with the new terrain I would like to have the cold and aird promotions cover more than just desert and tundra. The tag for it is <IgnoreTerrainDamage>TERRAIN_DESERT</IgnoreTerrainDamage>, however I am unsure how you add more terrain types to this. In short i would like to change them to ...
Arctic Combat = No Terrain Damage from Tundra, Permafrost or Ice.
Desert Combat = No Terrain Damage from Desert, Dunes or Salt Flats.
