The Conquests

Yeah - Quick editor check shows no Conquistadores or anything that would simulate the beginning of the European onslaught. One has to wait until the Age of Discovery mod for that, I'm afraid. ;)

I'll be watching with interest, Choxorn.
 
Yes! Finally! Someone acknowledges the epic greatness of the Maya!
Are you going to attack the Olmecs, or expand and try and win by culture?
Another question: Sacrifice slaves, or use them for free workers?
 
Yes! Finally! Someone acknowledges the epic greatness of the Maya!
Are you going to attack the Olmecs, or expand and try and win by culture?
Another question: Sacrifice slaves, or use them for free workers?

Well, I'll have to attack them for the sacrificable workers at some point. :evil:

I'll probably wait until I have Sacrificial Altars, though, so I can get more culture out of killing slave workers.
 
Cmon Celtic, it's his game, let him go about as he wishes - after all, he could always just choose not to continue! (please don't make such a decision Choxorn :p)
 
Chapter 35: The Warriors of the Jungle

The Warriors and the Settlers that had left Chichen Itza in 300 didn't really know where they were going. The location of the city they were going to build was in an area a little bit to the South of what the Mayans then knew of the world. They knew they were going to head to the general area of the Tobacco plants that grew to the South of Chichen Itza, as gaining control of those would be valuable. More specific than that, they weren't sure. By 310, they were getting close, and from what they could tell, just to the Southwest would probably make the best location.

They reached that location in 320. It was every bit as full of jungle as Chichen Itza was, although it was also on the coast. This would indeed make a good location for the second city in the Mayan Empire. The new city, Copan, was founded in 330.



The Warriors, having accomplished the mission of escorting the Settlers to this position, departed the newly-built city to continue exploring the jungle to see if there was an end to it, and also to find out more about the area around the nearby river, which would also make a good future city.

The workers finished building the road from Chichen to the Gold in 335, making some people a bit richer. They then went South, to connect the Tobacco, and with it, Copan, to Chichen Itza.

In other news, Chichen finished work on training some people to use Spears in 345, and the Warriors kept exploring, finding more jungle, some not-jungle, some hills, and some resources, followed by a Barbaric people without a name that did little but fight in the jungles of the area spotted moving up onto a hill in 355.

Said Barbarian Warriors were killed by the Mayan explorer-warriors when they attacked in 360. Their lack of actual combat skill despite living for combat was evidenced by their inexperience and loss despite having the advantage of a river and a hill for defense.

Upon climbing up to the top of that hill, the Warriors reported a great view, of a valley to the west surrounded by resources, some Mountains to the South, and the main camp of the Barbarians to the East. They would hold there to heal before attempting to take the camp out. They also saw a large body of water to the Southwest, a bit closer to the end of the Mayan peninsula than they had expected. Maybe it wasn't that big, or maybe it was.



Meanwhile, a new group of Warriors trained in Chichen Itza also went out to explore, a bit to the west of the old ones.

The now-healed Warriors attacked the barbarian camp in 380, emerging easily victorious over the poor fighting of the barbarians. The ransack of the camp saw plenty of gold returned back to Chichen Itza. The Warriors also saw that, a bit to the south, there were more Mountains... and what appeared to be signs of another civilized people.



The Warriors began a journey South to meet these people in 390, heading for the mountain on their borders. They planned to reach the mountain in 400.

They didn't actually reach the mountain, since the borders of the Yellowish-wearing people expanded to claim it in 395, and they decided maybe it would be better to stay outside for now. For some reason, this border expansion didn't introduce the Mayans and these people, so they went up on the nearby hill.

Meanwhile, the Warriors to the Northwest saw some more barbarians in the Western Plains, and what looked like more borders to the Northwest. This area was certainly a crowded one.

The Tobacco Road finally finished in 405, keeping Chichen Itzians happier that they could much more easily get it. And that they could get to Copan faster, but mostly the Tobacco.



In 410, Smoke-Jaguar personally went to meet these people. Their leader, Ce Acatl Topiltzin, also known as he of the unspellable name, met Smoke-Jaguar, and introduced his people, the Toltecs. After much discussion, they finally came to the issue of trading. Each had knowledge of two technologies the other didn't know. Seems like a great trade opportunity, but the Toltecs valued theirs more highly. Being unable to get both of them, Smoke-Jaguar decided settling for just one, the knowledge of Ceremonial Burial, was fair if he also got some Toltec Slaves and Gold out of the deal.



After this, the Warriors went right about going up on that Mountain they had avoided earlier, just for the view. It offered a nice view of the Toltec capital of Tula, as well as a view of more of the Sea to the Southwest. It's now pretty much confirmed that whatever is down there, it's pretty big. A nice discovery, but even so, going up on the Toltec mountain still annoyed the Toltecs a bit, so it was understandable when the Mayans were asked to leave a bit later.

A bit to the North, the other Warriors, assuming these barbarians in the coastal plains to be as weak as the ones in the jungle, attacked in 420. Well, not quite as weak, and they were able to give the Warriors quite a bit of trouble before finally dying. Reasons for the underestimation of the Barbarians are unknown, but blamed on either poor coordination, bad judgement, or smoking way too much tobacco. Whatever the case, they won anyway, destroyed the camp, and saw some more borders to the Northwest.



They went west to meet these people a bit later. After moving west in 430, they found that there was another village of barbarians to the South- but luckily, barbarians not wishing to kill them. They'd have to decide whether or not to meet the barbarians or the Dark Brown Bordered People first.

In the meantime, the Mayan Scientists were hard at work doing Sciency things, and finished work on making an Alphabet for the Mayans in 435.



The Warriors decided to go visit the village to the South in 440. The villagers were nice enough people, offering to give them maps of the region to the West, which they kindly accepted. The maps just showed more of the same Jungle the Mayans already knew more than enough about, although it seemed thinner here simply because of the elevation.

Other barbarians, on the other hand, weren't so friendly, like the ones that appeared to the Southeast of the injured warriors in 445. They could hardly fight in this state, but they could still head towards the Dark Brown People.

They reached the borders in 460, curiously not followed by the Barbarians (I think I forgot to set NoAIPatrol to 0), and found the borders to be held by people named the Olmecs. Their leader called himself "Jaguar," which Smoke-Jaguar decried as the least original and creative name ever. They only had one technology to trade, the knowledge of how to make Pots, when the Mayans had both the knowledge of an Alphabet and how to make bricks, but the Olmecs valued this technology more than either of those two alone. Luckily, the Olmecs also had slaves and gold, and when added to the deal, Smoke-Jaguar found the trade more than fair.



With this newfound knowledge, they were able to finally convince the Toltecs to teach them how to make archers, although they did have to pay two techs for one, yet again.



The barbarians curiously reappeared in 465, again prompting the Mayan Warriors to run away. There were more to the West, meaning there wasn't much the Mayan Warriors could do to escape, but they could go up on a mountain and fortify to heal and defend from the attack.

Only one of them actually did attack when they got the chance in 485, and it is probably for this reason that the Warriors won the battle, and even healed a bit due to being fortified. The other barbarians, still to the Northwest, could now be dealt with.

Meanwhile, to the Southeast, the other Warriors kept exploring, finding yet more resources, jungles, and hills. They also reported that the Southern Sea was indeed very large, and the land here just kept narrowing. It almost seemed like the world was a giant thin line running from Northwest to Southeast, with a long peninsula jutting out of the middle that the Mayans occupied. Anyway, they found some more barbarians here.

Despite said barbarians being on a mountain, the Mayans were easily able to kill them in 490. It's like they weren't even trying. From this mountain, they got a good glimpse of the camp to the east the barbarians called home.



The now slightly less injured Warriors to the Northwest, meanwhile, headed to see if the barbarians were still there, and to see if the village near Olmec borders also in that area had somehow not been visited by someone yet.

Both were reported still being there when the Warriors got to the nearby Hill in 500, although why they occupied the same space wasn't clear. They didn't seem to be particularly friendly towards each other.

Back on the Mayan peninsula, not much notable had happened for a while aside from the usual road-building and occasional mining. However, they did still want to expand, and after getting a bunch of Settlers and a Spearmen escort ready, they were finally able to build the third Mayan city, Palenque, in the area around the River on the peninsula's edge in 500. This had the additional effect of bringing the Quetzal Birds in the area into Mayan territory, which probably counted for something.



The Western barbarians attacked the Warriors in 505 and again fell to the superior Mayan axes, again demonstrating how much better than barbarians the Mayans were at combat and giving them much easier access to the village.

They went in in 510. The villagers, presumably liking that the violent barbarians were dead, gave them money.

Sadly, though, the Mayans couldn't win every battle. In the Southeastern area, the Warriors charged down the mountain to take out the camp there- and the result was the first battle the Mayans had lost against barbarians. A bit of a setback, but they'll get back to exploring that area as soon as they can get more warriors down there.

The Mayan scientists, pushed forward by the massive amounts of money they were getting, eagerly continued their research, and made another breakthrough in 525. Apparently figuring out exactly how best to sacrifice people to the Gods was a great technological breakthrough. They could easily use their Toltec and Olmec slaves for this purpose if they wanted to, but they were more useful doing work. For now, at least. Mwahahahahaha!



The Toltecs built a city in a resourced area to the Northeast of Tula in 535. It seems to be a nice target for the Mayans when they get around to it, although that's probably quite a bit off. It does, however, make it impossible to get to the Southeast without going through Toltec borders, somewhat annoyingly.

Speaking of borders, the Northwestern Warriors found some borders owned by Green People in 540, just to the Northwest of the Olmecs, in an area slightly more hilly and slightly less jungly than what they'd already seen. Just how crowded can this place get?

They introduced themselves in 550. The Green People called themselves the Aztecs and called their leader Montezuma. They were rich and large like the Mayans and not like the Olmecs and Toltecs, but they were far behind the other three countries in technology, perhaps as a consequence of being isolated from them until now while the Olmecs, Toltecs, and Mayans had known each other and traded for a century or more longer.



Perhaps this makes them less of a threat, perhaps more of one. They certainly aren't a big threat to the Mayans right now, seeing as how the Olmecs are between the two.

Smoke-Jaguar does, however, worry a bit about the future. This is a pretty cramped area that the 4 of them share, and it seems like it's only a matter of time before their lack of space causes them to have to fight each other.

Good. More slaves for the sacrifice! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

 
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What's the Saltpeter doing in the water, on that screen where you discovered Alphabet...?
 
That's actually salt. Which is a bonus resource in this mod.

Seconding the Toltecs. They'd fit nicely into your empire, I think!
 
City placement suggestion:
In the second picture, your 2-hitpoint warrior is standing next to the barbarian camp. I think where your warrior is would be a great spot, as it has the rice, tobacco, fruit, and jade. Plus stone and furs once it's borders expand.

I also third the Toltecs.
 
I fourth the Toltecs.

Another city placement suggestion: There's a spot in Nicaragua or nearby that can act as a canal between the Atlantic and Pacific if you place a city on it. I'll post a pic later.

And you would think the canal is in Panama. :crazyeye:
 
I fourth the Toltecs.

Another city placement suggestion: There's a spot in Nicaragua or nearby that can act as a canal between the Atlantic and Pacific if you place a city on it. I'll post a pic later.

And you would think the canal is in Panama. :crazyeye:

I think I see the location of it on the last screenshot, a barbarian camp marks the spot.
 
Better would be the plains tile just to the West, which has all those resources and the river, and the added benefit of being on the coast. ;)
 
Chapter 36: Racing For Amazing Jungle Locations

By the late 500's, the Mayans had a pretty good idea of all the locations to their South and West that they wanted to build cities in and gain control of. They also had a pretty good grasp of the fact that they wouldn't be able to get them all, as the Toltecs and Olmecs also probably wanted some of these spots. But they'd be sure to get as many as they could, probably 3 or 4 at most. They could, if nothing else, produce things faster than they could, and had more cities in which to produce things.

Chichen Itza was the one that they made all of their Settlers in, due to it being both the fastest-growing and most productive city out of the ones they had. It began building little but Settlers after finishing work on a Granary to accelerate growth in 580, although it took a cycle of building to adjust to this role correctly (It can't grow to size 7 without an Aqueduct that it doesn't have, so I had to make it a 4-6 factory instead of a 5-7, which was 4 turns either way, and it was already at size 5 by this point). Copan started devoting itself to building military units to escort those Settlers and do other things after it finished work on Copan's barracks in 560.

Meanwhile, the Warrior that had been exploring the area near the Aztecs and Olmecs healed and resumed exploring. They also noticed that the Aztecs had researched 2 technologies in 20 years, prompting many to wonder how the hell that happened.

The warriors encountered another village of huts on the West coast near the Aztecs belonging to a tribe of people known as Mississippians in 600. These people didn't like said warriors, and responded by organizing a few of their own to attack with. Strangely, they chose not to attack, instead holding position and waiting for the Mayan Warriors to do something (I haven't edited the ini file yet... it doesn't yet exist). The Mayan Warriors responded by killing the Northernmost of the 3 in 610, and assumed that the others would be killed by nearby Aztec Archers. This assumption was incorrect for at least one that was previously very close to the Archers, and had lived to chase after the Mayans.

In 615, the scientists told everyone of a great discovery: They had figured out how to write. They put this discovery in this new writing, which nobody could read yet, though, so they had to teach them how to read their new writing before they could tell anyone that they had learned how to write.



The technology wasn't particularly useful in itself aside from trading abilities and foreign embassies, but it did have value to others. Specifically, the Toltecs had learned how to build cool new military units and enslave people, which was something Smoke-Jaguar really wanted to know. The Mayan Writing system alone wasn't enough to make the deal, but the addition of contact with the Olmecs was. Smoke-Jaguar happily agreed to this, and failed to see the reason why the two hadn't found each other yet anyway.

He then decided to sell this technology of Enslavement to the Olmecs. Judging from how little they paid for it, they were probably close to developing it on their own anyway.



The Mayan Warriors in the Northwest had decided it was better to wait for the Mississippians to attack rather than attacking them uphill across a river. This turned out to be a great idea that led to a lot of dead Mississippians and few dead Mayans in 625.

The Aztecs, meanwhile, continued not killing Mississippians with their Archers and researching at insane speeds. They must be getting some pretty good luck from small villages that inexplicably know advanced technologies, and Copan and Chichen Itza finished work on their first Settler/Spear pair, to head to the planned location of Mayan city number 4, the area on the Southwest coast on the river near all those resources.

In 660, 10 years away from that location, they saw that they weren't the only ones wanting the location: The Olmecs had their own Settlers in the area that just might beat them. They seemed a bit far from home, so the Olmecs must have just really wanted this location. All the more reason the Mayans had to get it.

The Olmec Settlers and Spearmen moved on to the hill to the Northeast of where the Mayans wanted to build their city in 665, letting the Mayans go down into the location they wanted in 670. Problem was, there was nothing stopping the Olmecs from just building their city on the hill and screwing over the Mayan Settlers...

...but they didn't, and kept moving in 675, allowing the Mayans to build their new city, Tikal, in 680 with no interference. They proceeded to attempt to build buildings in such a way as to say "Suck it, Olmecs!" but found that to be too difficult, and just instead built a lot of buildings.



Meanwhile, an Archer that had been exploring the area Southeast of the Toltecs ran into a village of huts and people who wielded Spears. These people were much more friendly than the Mississippians, and the Spearmen even decided to join the Mayans and explore/fight with the Archers.

Other barbarians weren't so friendly, though, like the ones that had moved into the Jungle/Valley area that Tikal occupied. But they were stupid, and attacked the city's defenders in 685. Spearmen that have prepared a strong defense and have shields have no trouble dealing with random barbarian Warriors. The Olmecs, meanwhile, having been beaten to their preferred spot, returned Northwest.

The new Spear/Archer continued heading Southeast to explore/fight barbarians on the ever-thinning land strip. The new Spearmen, though inexperienced, demonstrated that they, too, could fight in 695 when they went on to a volcano, and some Barbarian Warriors attacked them and died. In 720, they finally reached the camp of barbarians that had killed some Mayan Warriors centuries ago, and the Archers finally avenged their deaths, killing the Warriors defending the camp and taking everything of value in the camp before burning it to the ground.

The other big story of the decade, a few years later in 725, was that the scientists had followed up on the discovery of Writing by learning how to write and tell stories, something that would surely improve the development of their technologies and let them tell interesting stories.



In other news, the Chichen Itza Settler Factory, which had long ago corrected itself for maximum functioning, had churned out settlers at a steady rate again for a while. One of them reached a rather nice location, a coastal plain on a river near Tikal, Palenque, and the Olmecs' border, and built the Mayans' 5th city, Yaxchilan, there in 730.



This was followed by several decades of not much interesting happening. Another settler was built, the Exploring Warriors headed North through Olmec and Aztec territory, into considerably dryer, flatter areas, and the Exploring Archers/Spearmen headed Southeast, found more of the same, including yet another Barbarian Camp in the thinnest area yet, which the Archers destroyed in 780. Upon doing this, they found something surprising: The land stopped thinning soon and greatly expanded to the North and South. So the world wasn't a triangle-shape with the Mayan peninsula sticking out of the middle after all.

Also in 780, the city of Bonampak was founded at the edge of that peninsula, to the Northeast of Chichen Itza.



You may ask why they hadn't been heading South, to grab the area still in the gap between the Mayans and Olmecs, or between the Mayans and Toltecs. Well, because other Settlers were already heading down there, and planned to build in an area on the coast West of Tikal. Sadly, the Olmecs beat them to this spot with a city of their own in 785, forcing these Settlers to head back East to the small gap that still existed between the Mayans and Toltecs- there was almost no room left anywhere else.

Back to the Southeast, the Spearmen and Archers reached the widening of land at the edge of the Isthmus they'd been traveling on for centuries in 800, and found the new land that they called "South America" to be just as jungly, but more mountainous. The Northern Warriors, a bit later, reached the edge of the world to the North, and found it to be an inhospitable desert, and everyone felt just enough faster to start measuring times in 8-year periods on 808 instead of 10-year periods.

South America also had about as many barbarians as North America did, some of which attacked the Archers in 820. Luckily, they sucked at fighting every bit as much as the North American ones. They also had plenty of camps that the Archers and Spearmen started running into in the 830's, and the Spearmen decided to attack one in 840. They failed. Well, they weren't terribly good at attacking, and were inexperienced, so that's probably why.

Also in 840, the Settlers built the city of Lagartero in the last gap between the Mayans and Toltecs. If nothing else, it had the strategic value of being very close to Tula.



4 years later, the Mayan Scientists finished work on years of research in the fields of boats and maps and announced that they had figured out how to make boats and maps, prompting an explanation of what exactly those things were.



These weren't very useful when the other civilizations in the area had little of note to trade, but they could start building boats in their coastal cities if that had a use.

Business as usual resumed in 848, by which I mean that the Archers resumed fighting barbarians and wiped out a barbarian camp again. Not the one that had killed the Spearmen trying to attack it, as they had split North and South a while ago, but killing barbarians was always a good thing.

Also, the final city the Mayans planned on building was built, to the Northwest of Chichen Itza to fill in the last gap on the Yucatan Peninsula. It was named Quirigua.



Perhaps they could build other cities later, but for now, there was little room to expand to if they didn't go through the Toltecs, and that would be much easier if they focused on building some stuff like an army first. So an army they would build, and buildings they would build, and a grand Temple in Chichen Itza they would build.

And soon the others would tremble in the Mayans' wake. Well, the weak ones, at least. Maybe not the Aztecs. But the other two... start trembling!

 
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The same thing as ToE does in the normal game.
 
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