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Do you think this is a viable settling plan for China? T

The 'stad' markers mark the spots.

For UHV or in general? Because in case of the former you need another city.



This is my setup for the UHV. Shenyang spawns so you can save a settler. Chengdu is quite useful with the two rice resources and a gold mine, also there's enough forests to quickly chop the temples if necessary.

Leoreth said:

For UHV or in general? Because in case of the former you need another city.

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In general: I want to go domination or just dominate the world.

I'll post mine in one second.

-Migrate your capital 2E, 1S. It helps immensely in the long run.

-In northern China, you'll notice that I marked a whole bunch of tiles as "Flip".
Everything that is north and west of those tiles flips to the Mongols.
So Leoreth's Shenyang is not optimal; the one by the marsh is better.
Do not be tempted to capture that Silk Road city that spawns.
It flips to the Mongols as well.

-You want Beijing on the coast, not 1 tile away.

-Taiwan is worthless unless you can get The Great Cothon.
Recently, I've been experimenting with Okinawa instead (yay, historical friends!)
and getting the Gold is nice; Naha will get more Production, but it doesn't grow as fast as Taibei.

-The city you settle in the south is wholly dependent on which Cothon city you build.
Minimize overlap; overlap is not a desirable element.
There is much less precedent for it here than in vanilla BtS.

-Corea should be conquered as soon as the ten turns are up.
Japan will usually DoW you anyway for no reason before their ten turns are up, so shore a navy and a bunch of CKNs.
Kyoto in my opinion, is... okay. I'd much rather have one of the cities facing the Pacific.

Hope this helps.

I'd love to get some advice on my current China game.

I used the city-maps (thanks Leoreth and TD!) to place my cities, but I didn't settle Taiwan because I didn't feel for going for the classical wonders (TGC), but wanted to play more historical instead.

I rushed Korea with axepults and Japan with CKN. Japan is still in the game as a pathetic city-state, though. Didn't feel like taking (and razing) Nagasaki-on-a-hill.
I generated 5 GScientists with Taixues: made two academies and bulbed Philo, Paper and Edu. Got Lib around 1000 AD or so and took PP (mistake probably).

Then I went for Banking, followed suit by Astro. Got the conquerors, failed in Mexico (they didn't want to capitulate, and when they did, it was too late) but managed to vassalise Incas.

I built TGW, Porcelain Tower and the grand channel in my capital 2E 1S from starting spot (Thanks TD, that site rocks! Especially with TGC ).

I don't know what exactly to tech/to do right now. Should I go the Electricity route and get corporations + luxury wonders up and running, or should I go rifling (bye TGC ) and kill whatever AI proves to be a runaway? (England is a bit crippled by being Viking vassal, not too crippled though).

Curious about the Prussian UHV

for one, in the UHV goals control xyz areas..
Italy is marked as OK(green) once I capture Venice (Rome and Naples still Austrian)

now the real question.. just got Kiev from Sweden in a congress, now Russia wants to become my Vassal hmm.. what about the control Russia part of the UHV?

I read something somwhere about hovering over the tiles with the mouse and that your culture has to cover all tiles marked 'Italy' 'Russia' etc. hmm but what's with Vassals..?
Good enough if their culture controls it or is it an elimination UHV? Would Indi cities need to be razed/conquered as well? Or nobody controls those tiles because your culture hasn't spread far enough? thinking Scandinavia/Russia on that one, several possibly crappy city locations

The rule for "Control [Civ]" goals (not to be confused with "Control [area]" goals) is:

- if [Civ] is dead, control one city in its normal area (seems to be the case in your Italy example)
- if [Civ] is still alive, control more cities in its normal area than [Civ], but at least two

Vassalization doesn't enter into it, it needs to be direct control. But as you see, collapsing the native holder of your targets helps.

thanks, that clears things up
i'll have to take a closer look at the uhv's to distinguish between those two possiblities (control area or civ)

but so in theory you could vassalize.. you only need more cities than the vassal
might be useful..
might also be concidered an exploit, your culture pushes your vassals culture away(to a certain degree), so you could start founding cities in their core area until you have more than they do

Yeah, theoretically you could exploit that rule.

I'm curious how other players handle the Netherlands when playing as one of the other euro nations?
The way I currently see it is that they have to be eliminated at all cost ASAP?
Maybe I'm just pissed that they managed to get ahead in tech vs. me as Prussia (teching at twice my speed, I never gave them squat) or the fact that they took London before me or both..

I think with the recent Netherlands buffs they've come very close to a situation similar to England, that they're able to take off if they successfully take over Indonesia.

Leoreth said:

I think with the recent Netherlands buffs they've come very close to a situation similar to England, that they're able to take off if they successfully take over Indonesia.

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Trading Company expiring should slow them down.

Also, I suggest you change Supreme Council. Tone it down to -75%. Or change it to Number of Cities maintenance. It shouldn't be that every civ gets to have the English UP.

Leoreth said:

I think with the recent Netherlands buffs they've come very close to a situation similar to England, that they're able to take off if they successfully take over Indonesia.

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I think you're right. I attributed their takeoff in a recent (non-UHV) Spain game to the fact that the Vikings had pretty much dominated England, so they had little colonial competition. They ended up with almost all of sub-Saharan Africa, Indonesia, and Australia, eventually capitulating England. But I guess it could just be how they're playing at current.

I'm curious about ideas on how to handle this situation

Daffy said:

I'm curious about ideas on how to handle this situation

Spoiler :

I took out the Netherlands before heading for France due to a lesson I learned in a previous session(they already had 'Steam Power' and a 'Dike' in Amsterdam by the time I took it.)
France just vassalized to Spain along with Russia, Egypt and Mexico , my troops are pretty thinned out and would need to be reinforced by building more units. I could refocus on Sweden/England but that situation in France will be pretty much the same 100 years later
(Paris size 1 and no workable tiles and each remaining french city has around 5000 ).
Gifting the city back is IMO not an option since the Sistine Chapel and Leaning Tower were built in Paris(why they got such perverted amounts of culture in the first place).
Is there another way out of this mess besides trying an all out war against Spain, France, Russia?
I can also reload to before I attack the Netherlands but France is on it's way to Rifling and is already a huge annoyance and leaving the Netherlands alone doesn't seem to be a viable option. And if I take Amsterdam but leave Paris alone then Amsterdam has 0 workable tiles unless it gets those that Hamburg is working.

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Turn up your culture slider and use espionage to cripple the french cities.

So I'm playing as France in the newest version (1.9), and I'm finding it very difficult to reach 25k culture by 1700 in Paris (especially now that GAs are 2400 as a culture bomb). My strategy has basically been to capture Italy asap and build every Wonder I possibly can in Paris. Once I get Patronage I crank up the culture slider as far as my economy will permit and continue to crank out culture in Paris (after building any building that will sustain culture). Where I begin to run into problems is Paris starts popping out Great People other than GAs. The abundance of food around the city means that I'm going to have a lot of specialists, and not enough slots for them all to be artists. So I'm really scratching my head here as to how to get 25k culture in that time period. The closest I have gotten is about 17k. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks!

^I have played France extensively and feel I am well poised to give you the help you need.

1. Beeline Guilds & Drama from the start. You want Paris to start building the Apostolic Palace, right out of the gate.
This is the most important thing for reaching the goal.
2. Send your starting stack towards Rome to use the free barb wins.
3. Divert stack to Spain, afterwards & while simultaneously building up 3-4 Galleys in your coastal city (usually Bordeaux),
get ready to put a whole bunch of Knights onto them to invade England.
4. Around this time, you will want to beeline Music and Printing Press;
You want to build a Catholic Cathedral in Paris BEFORE Printing Press,
and then build another Catholic Cathedral after the initial one turns into a Protestant Cathedral.
The two Cathedrals will boost Culture output by 100%.
5. Leave Germany alone. It's stupid to go after them now.
Greece is relatively dangerous to occupy as well as Russia.
Ideally, you keep Madrid, London, perhaps Oslo or Stockholm, Rome & found the city 1N of Dublin before it spawns.
When Lisbon & Amsterdam spawn, after the first 10 turns, just rush them and raze the cities.

I hope that helps, but there's one more piece of advice:

About your problem with the Great Artists; wait till you hit Renaissance Era;
they should be worth 3200 a pop each. They vary by era accordingly:

Ancient- 800
Classical- 1600
Medieval- 2400
Renaissance- 3200

Do you ever crank up the culture slider? Or should culture bombs and cathedrals be enough? Also, what cities in Italy do you take and hold (to prevent the italian spawn)? Thanks. Your advice has been really helpful.