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SGOTM 16 - U'nu'sual S'us'pec'ts

ChrisShaffer said:
Brennus will go to war with Ramesses if we give him Civil Service, Monarchy, and Metal Casting. I presume that's a big "no."
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Agreed. No, no, and no.
 
I have to drop my daughter at school and head to work, will check back in in 30-40 minutes.

Don't wait for me for any diplo decisions, most of the team is online. :)
 
Played one turn, everything as planned. Revolution went fine. Able to increase research to 70% taking Engineering from 5 turns to 4 turns. Temple of Solomon biafal. Ramesses II will give us Theology + 20 gold for either [Metal Casting + Compass] OR [Civil Service]. What do you think?
 
Judaism and Taoism are both "Unknown." Babylon and China are both in Judaism as their state religion. Nobody is in Taoism.

The sad thing is we just spent a turn revolting into Hereditary Rule and Bureaucracy. If we'd been able to trade for Theology last turn, we could have done Theocracy and Bureaucracy instead.

If we make the trade, is it worth spending another turn revolting to become Theocratic?

Holding off playing for discussion, since it's both the trade and the possible civics change.
 
I wouldn't bother with Theocracy, our units have a big advantage over Brennus' already.

Its not just 1 turn to revolt into Theocracy, its revolting out of it that will cost us 1 turn, because as soon as we take 1 more city, we can't get 2 civic changes for 1 turn revolt.

edit: I am happy to make the trade though, everyone else has MC, and if Ramesses builds us some harbors, that would be great.
 
Yes, make the trade, it reduces the cost of Paper, and everyone has MC already.
 
Yes, we need some more team input.

Qin & Brennus have Compass already, but that is it. They still need Machinery to get Optics.
 
Save is uploaded. I think Neil can take it from here.

Revolted to Hereditary Rule and Bureaucracy. Sold Metal Casting to the lot of them for next to nothing. Traded Metal Casting and Compass to Ramesses II for Theology and 20 gold. Researched Engineering. Built a lot of roads. Circumnavigated. Ramesses II built the Kong Miao. The Temple of Solomon BIAFAL. Buddhism spread to Beijing and Zhou. Hammurabi and Saladin will trade Feudalism (just became available this turn).

I built a lot of units. I've never whipped so hard before. Because I played one less turn than expected (due to Bureaucracy getting Engineering 1 turn faster), not all the units I planned to build are complete. We currently have 3 Galleon, 1 Galley, 6 Catapult, 5 Crossbow, 2 Spear, and 2 Mace. When Neil hits end turn, we will have an additional 6 Mace and 1 Pike.

I think I screwed up a bit on the rally points, since 4 of the crossbows are down by Tolosa and only one near the ships... sorry about that.

Brennus got Monarchy and switched to Hereditary Rule at the end of the turnset. I found Brennus' monster stack of death in Thebes.

BUFFY Log

Spoiler :
Logging by BUFFY 3.19.003 (BtS 3.19)
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Turn 147/500 (740 AD) [13-Nov-2012 13:07:45]
Research begun: Engineering (5 Turns)
Tech traded to Qin Shi Huang (China): Metal Casting
Tech traded to Saladin (Arabia): Metal Casting
Tech traded to Sitting Bull (Native America): Metal Casting
60% Research: 0 per turn
0% Espionage: 0 per turn
40% Gold: 23 per turn, 79 in the bank

Turn 148/500 (760 AD) [13-Nov-2012 13:23:31]
A Mine was built near West Coast Silk

Logging by BUFFY 3.19.003 (BtS 3.19)
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Turn 148/500 (760 AD) [13-Nov-2012 14:49:42]
Tech traded to Ramesses II (Egypt): Metal Casting
Tech traded to Ramesses II (Egypt): Compass
Tech acquired (trade, lightbulb, hut, espionage): Theology
70% Research: 331 per turn
0% Espionage: 16 per turn
30% Gold: -32 per turn, 122 in the bank

After End Turn:
Paris grows to size 10
Paris finishes: Crossbowman
GP Farm finishes: Harbor
Production finishes: Catapult
Clams grows to size 9
Clams finishes: Spearman
West Fish finishes: Galleon
Barb City grows to size 9
Barb City finishes: Crossbowman
Zhou finishes: Lighthouse
Confucianism has spread: Fake Humbaba
West Coast Silk finishes: Barracks
Wheat finishes: Barracks
Red Fish Blue F grows to size 3

Turn 149/500 (780 AD) [13-Nov-2012 14:58:11]
Paris begins: Catapult (4 turns)
GP Farm begins: Spearman (5 turns)
Production begins: Catapult (4 turns)
Clams begins: Catapult (5 turns)
West Fish begins: Galleon (16 turns)
Barb City begins: Catapult (4 turns)
Zhou begins: Galleon (7 turns)
West Coast Silk begins: Maceman (12 turns)
Wheat begins: Maceman (10 turns)
GP Farm begins: Maceman (10 turns)
GP Farm begins: Spearman (5 turns)
GP Farm begins: Catapult (8 turns)
GP Farm begins: Spearman (5 turns)
Production begins: Spearman (5 turns)
GP Farm begins: Catapult (8 turns)
70% Research: 346 per turn
0% Espionage: 16 per turn
30% Gold: -39 per turn, 138 in the bank

After End Turn:
Whip anger has decreased in GP Farm
The whip was applied in Commerce
Whip anger has decreased in Fake Humbaba
GP Farm grows to size 8
Production grows to size 9
Commerce grows to size 12
Commerce finishes: Catapult
A Hamlet was built near Commerce
West Fish grows to size 5
Zhou grows to size 6
West Coast Silk grows to size 4

Turn 150/500 (800 AD) [13-Nov-2012 15:19:50]
Commerce begins: Maceman (10 turns)
70% Research: 343 per turn
0% Espionage: 16 per turn
30% Gold: -40 per turn, 99 in the bank

After End Turn:
The whip was applied in Paris
The whip was applied in GP Farm
The whip was applied in Production
The whip was applied in Clams
The whip was applied in West Fish
The whip was applied in Barb City
The whip was applied in Zhou
The whip was applied in West Coast Silk
The whip was applied in Wheat
Paris finishes: Catapult
GP Farm finishes: Catapult
Production finishes: Spearman
Clams grows to size 9
Clams finishes: Catapult
West Fish's borders expand
West Fish finishes: Galleon
Barb City finishes: Catapult
Zhou finishes: Galleon
Fake Humbaba grows to size 4
A Village was built near West Fish
West Coast Silk finishes: Maceman
Wheat grows to size 2
Wheat finishes: Maceman

Turn 151/500 (820 AD) [13-Nov-2012 15:31:41]
Paris begins: Maceman (6 turns)
GP Farm begins: Maceman (10 turns)
Production begins: Maceman (7 turns)
Clams begins: Buddhist Missionary (4 turns)
West Fish begins: Lighthouse (60 turns)
Barb City begins: Spearman (3 turns)
Zhou begins: Library (6 turns)
West Coast Silk begins: Maceman (12 turns)
Wheat begins: Maceman (10 turns)
Buddhism has spread: Zhou
Clams begins: Maceman (7 turns)
70% Research: 348 per turn
0% Espionage: 16 per turn
30% Gold: -48 per turn, 67 in the bank

After End Turn:
Tech research finished: Engineering
Production grows to size 9
West Fish grows to size 4
Barb City grows to size 9
Zhou grows to size 5
Zhou's borders expand
West Coast Silk grows to size 4

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Saladin (Arabia) towards Louis XIV (France), from 'Annoyed' to 'Cautious'
Civics Change: Saladin(Arabia) from 'Slavery' to 'Caste System'
Civics Change: Brennus(Celtia) from 'Despotism' to 'Hereditary Rule'

Turn 152/500 (840 AD) [13-Nov-2012 15:45:40]
Research begun: Paper (2 Turns)
A Workshop was built near Zhou


CivFanatics Log

Spoiler :
News Update: Humbaba is still alive


Here is your Session Turn Log from 740 AD to 840 AD:

Turn 147, 740 AD: The revolution has begun!!!
Turn 147, 740 AD: Louis XIV adopts Hereditary Rule!
Turn 147, 740 AD: Louis XIV adopts Bureaucracy!
Turn 147, 740 AD: The anarchy is over! Your government is re-established.
Turn 147, 740 AD: Ramesses II has completed The Kong Miao!
Turn 147, 740 AD: The Temple of Solomon has been built in a far away land!

Turn 148, 760 AD: Buddhism has spread in Beijing.
Turn 148, 760 AD: You have discovered Theology!
Turn 148, 760 AD: Confucianism has spread in Fake Humbaba.
Turn 148, 760 AD: Buddhism has spread in Bagacum.

Turn 149, 780 AD: Your maps have proven that the world is round! Your ships receive a +1 Movement bonus.

Turn 150, 800 AD: Paris can hurry Catapult for 1⇴ with 28ℤ overflow, 5ℴ added to the treasury, and +1⇤ for 17 turns.
Turn 150, 800 AD: GP Farm has grown to size 8.
Turn 150, 800 AD: GP Farm can hurry Catapult for 1⇴ with 32ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 19 turns.
Turn 150, 800 AD: Production has grown to size 9.
Turn 150, 800 AD: Production can hurry Spearman for 1⇴ with 28ℤ overflow, 8ℴ added to the treasury, and +1⇤ for 30 turns.
Turn 150, 800 AD: Clams can hurry Catapult for 1⇴ with 33ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 25 turns.
Turn 150, 800 AD: West Fish has grown to size 5.
Turn 150, 800 AD: West Fish can hurry Galleon for 2⇴ with 12ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 37 turns.
Turn 150, 800 AD: Barb City can hurry Catapult for 1⇴ with 27ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 34 turns.
Turn 150, 800 AD: Zhou has grown to size 6.
Turn 150, 800 AD: Zhou can hurry Galleon for 2⇴ with 33ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 23 turns.
Turn 150, 800 AD: West Coast Silk has grown to size 4.
Turn 150, 800 AD: West Coast Silk can hurry Maceman for 1⇴ with 16ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 37 turns.
Turn 150, 800 AD: Wheat can hurry Maceman for 1⇴ with 17ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 20 turns.
Turn 150, 800 AD: The borders of West Fish are about to expand.
Turn 150, 800 AD: Clams will grow to size 9 on the next turn.
Turn 150, 800 AD: Fake Humbaba will grow to size 4 on the next turn.
Turn 150, 800 AD: Wheat will grow to size 2 on the next turn.
Turn 150, 800 AD: The borders of West Fish have expanded!
Turn 150, 800 AD: Ramesses II has founded Giza in a distant land.

Turn 151, 820 AD: Commerce can hurry Maceman for 1⇴ with 16ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 18 turns.
Turn 151, 820 AD: Fake Humbaba has grown to size 4.
Turn 151, 820 AD: The borders of Zhou are about to expand.
Turn 151, 820 AD: Ramesses II will trade Horseback Riding
Turn 151, 820 AD: Buddhism has spread in Zhou.
Turn 151, 820 AD: Production will grow to size 9 on the next turn.
Turn 151, 820 AD: West Fish will grow to size 4 on the next turn.
Turn 151, 820 AD: Barb City will grow to size 9 on the next turn.
Turn 151, 820 AD: Zhou will grow to size 5 on the next turn.
Turn 151, 820 AD: West Coast Silk will grow to size 4 on the next turn.
Turn 151, 820 AD: You have discovered Engineering!
Turn 151, 820 AD: The borders of Zhou have expanded!
Turn 151, 820 AD: Saladin adopts Caste System!
Turn 151, 820 AD: Brennus adopts Hereditary Rule!

Turn 152, 840 AD: Paris can hurry Maceman for 1⇴ with 31ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 25 turns.
Turn 152, 840 AD: GP Farm can hurry Maceman for 1⇴ with 16ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 27 turns.
Turn 152, 840 AD: Production has grown to size 9.
Turn 152, 840 AD: Production can hurry Maceman for 1⇴ with 23ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 38 turns.
Turn 152, 840 AD: Clams can hurry Maceman for 1⇴ with 22ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 33 turns.
Turn 152, 840 AD: West Fish has grown to size 4.
Turn 152, 840 AD: West Fish can hurry Lighthouse for 2⇴ with 24ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 45 turns.
Turn 152, 840 AD: Barb City has grown to size 9.
Turn 152, 840 AD: Barb City can hurry Pikeman for 1⇴ with 27ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 42 turns.
Turn 152, 840 AD: Zhou has grown to size 5.
Turn 152, 840 AD: Zhou can hurry Library for 1⇴ with 36ℤ overflow, 2ℴ added to the treasury, and +1⇤ for 31 turns.
Turn 152, 840 AD: West Coast Silk has grown to size 4.
Turn 152, 840 AD: West Coast Silk can hurry Maceman for 2⇴ with 32ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 45 turns.
Turn 152, 840 AD: Ramesses II has 50 gold available for trade.
Turn 152, 840 AD: Hammurabi will trade Feudalism
Turn 152, 840 AD: Saladin will trade Feudalism
Turn 152, 840 AD: Paris will grow to size 9 on the next turn.
Turn 152, 840 AD: GP Farm will grow to size 7 on the next turn.
Turn 152, 840 AD: Commerce will grow to size 12 on the next turn.
Turn 152, 840 AD: Red Fish Blue F will grow to size 4 on the next turn.


Pictures
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840AD_cities.png

840AD_tech.png

840AD_resources.png

840AD_relations.png

840AD_victory.png

840AD_finances.png

840AD_sod.png

 
Sorry to jump the gun Chris, but you are now offline after posting the save a while ago.

Just spent the last 10 minutes looking at the updated save, its looking really good.
We have a lot of Maces coming online next turn (6) and a Pikeman. :eek:

edit: x-post!!!
 
Are you sure you don't want to continue for a few more turns??

I'm happy to take it from here though, I estimate we are 5 turns from DoWing Brennus.

edit: and a pikeman is great, it is an awesome stack defender that can pitch in to attack if required
 
I can play again tomorrow night (in about 26 hours) if desired - I wouldn't mind doing it. I would need a lot of suggestions about how to get the right troops to the right rally points. Then you could take it on the declare war turn.
 
Done, I will put together a proto-plan to get all troops in place. edit: after lunch :drool:
 
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