SGOTM 16 - U'nu'sual S'us'pec'ts

End of Turn 165

Everything went according to plan. I whipped where we said we were going to. I made the trades we planned on. And I moved the Vienne task force into position.

CivFanatics Log:

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Here is your Session Turn Log from 1050 AD to 1060 AD:

Turn 165, 1050 AD: Production has grown to size 8.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: West Fish has grown to size 7.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Barb City has grown to size 8.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Barb City can hurry University for 3⇴ with 8ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 79 turns.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: West Coast Silk can hurry Chariot for 1⇴ with 23ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 62 turns.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Red Fish Blue F can hurry Courthouse for 3⇴ with 1ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 18 turns.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Bibracte will be pacified on the next turn.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Tolosa will be pacified on the next turn.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Hammurabi has 7 gold per turn available for trade.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: You are the worst enemy of Saladin.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: The borders of Fake Humbaba are about to expand.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 2 (Production) (4.00) vs Brennus's Longbowman (4.13)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Combat Odds: 55.2%
Turn 165, 1050 AD: (Fortify: +5%)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: (City Defense: +70%)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: (City Attack: -120%)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Your Trebuchet 2 (Production) has caused collateral damage! (4 Units)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Brennus's Longbowman is hit for 19 (81/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Brennus's Longbowman is hit for 19 (62/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 2 (Production) is hit for 20 (80/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Brennus's Longbowman is hit for 19 (43/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Your Trebuchet 2 (Production) has withdrawn from combat with a Longbowman!
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 3 (Clams) (3.68) vs Brennus's Longbowman (3.14)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Combat Odds: 77.3%
Turn 165, 1050 AD: (City Defense: +45%)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: (City Attack: -120%)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Your Trebuchet 3 (Clams) has caused collateral damage! (3 Units)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Brennus's Longbowman is hit for 21 (71/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Brennus's Longbowman is hit for 21 (50/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Brennus's Longbowman is hit for 21 (29/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 3 (Clams) is hit for 18 (74/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 3 (Clams) is hit for 18 (56/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Your Trebuchet 3 (Clams) has withdrawn from combat with a Longbowman!
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 12 (West Coast Silk) (8.00) vs Brennus's Axeman (3.72)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Combat Odds: 99.4%
Turn 165, 1050 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: (City Attack: -45%)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: (Combat: -50%)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: (Combat: +75%)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 12 (West Coast Silk) is hit for 14 (86/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 12 (West Coast Silk) is hit for 14 (72/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Brennus's Axeman is hit for 27 (55/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 12 (West Coast Silk) is hit for 14 (58/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Brennus's Axeman is hit for 27 (28/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 12 (West Coast Silk) is hit for 14 (44/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 12 (West Coast Silk) is hit for 14 (30/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 12 (West Coast Silk) is hit for 14 (16/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 12 (West Coast Silk) is hit for 14 (2/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 12 (West Coast Silk) is hit for 14 (0/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Brennus's Axeman has defeated Louis XIV's Maceman 12 (West Coast Silk)!
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Francisco Pizarro (Great General) has been born in Durnovaria (Brennus)!
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Your Maceman 12 (West Coast Silk) has died trying to attack a Axeman!
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 10 (Barb City) (7.36) vs Brennus's Gallic Warrior (2.95)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Combat Odds: 99.9%
Turn 165, 1050 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: (City Attack: -45%)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: (Combat: -50%)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 10 (Barb City) is hit for 13 (79/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Brennus's Gallic Warrior is hit for 30 (54/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 10 (Barb City) is hit for 13 (66/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Brennus's Gallic Warrior is hit for 30 (24/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 10 (Barb City) is hit for 13 (53/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 10 (Barb City) is hit for 13 (40/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Brennus's Gallic Warrior is hit for 30 (0/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 10 (Barb City) has defeated Brennus's Gallic Warrior!
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Your Maceman 10 (Barb City) has destroyed a Gallic Warrior!
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 6 (Commerce) (7.52) vs Brennus's Axeman (2.82)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Combat Odds: 99.9%
Turn 165, 1050 AD: (City Attack: -45%)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: (Combat: -50%)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: (Combat: +50%)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Brennus's Axeman is hit for 30 (52/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 6 (Commerce) is hit for 12 (82/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Brennus's Axeman is hit for 30 (22/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Brennus's Axeman is hit for 30 (0/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 6 (Commerce) has defeated Brennus's Axeman!
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Your Maceman 6 (Commerce) has destroyed a Axeman!
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Louis XIV's Crossbowman 6 (West Coast Silk) (6.00) vs Brennus's Longbowman (2.62)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Combat Odds: 99.7%
Turn 165, 1050 AD: (Fortify: +5%)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: (City Defense: +70%)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Brennus's Longbowman is hit for 19 (6/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Brennus's Longbowman is hit for 19 (0/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Louis XIV's Crossbowman 6 (West Coast Silk) has defeated Brennus's Longbowman!
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Your Crossbowman 6 (West Coast Silk) has destroyed a Longbowman!
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 7 (Clams) (8.00) vs Brennus's Longbowman (1.50)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 165, 1050 AD: (City Defense: +45%)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: (City Attack: -45%)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 7 (Clams) is hit for 13 (87/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Brennus's Longbowman is hit for 28 (0/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 7 (Clams) has defeated Brennus's Longbowman!
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Your Maceman 7 (Clams) has destroyed a Longbowman!
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 11 (Wheat) (8.00) vs Brennus's Axeman (1.61)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 165, 1050 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: (City Attack: -20%)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: (Combat: -50%)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: (Combat: +75%)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Brennus's Axeman is hit for 29 (0/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 11 (Wheat) has defeated Brennus's Axeman!
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Your Maceman 11 (Wheat) has destroyed a Axeman!
Turn 165, 1050 AD: You have captured a Worker
Turn 165, 1050 AD: You have captured a Worker
Turn 165, 1050 AD: You have captured a Worker
Turn 165, 1050 AD: You have captured Camulodunum!!!
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Clams will grow to size 7 on the next turn.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: West Coast Silk will grow to size 6 on the next turn.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Red Fish Blue F will grow to size 7 on the next turn.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Bibracte will be pacified on the next turn.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Tolosa will be pacified on the next turn.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Qin Shi Huang has 50 gold available for trade.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Ramesses II has 50 gold available for trade.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: You are the worst enemy of Saladin.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Ramesses II is the worst enemy of Brennus.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Brennus is the worst enemy of Ramesses II.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: The borders of Fake Humbaba are about to expand.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Will Trade Map: Brennus, Hammurabi, Sitting Bull
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Will Sign Peace Treaty: Brennus
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Clams will grow to size 7 on the next turn.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: West Coast Silk will grow to size 6 on the next turn.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Red Fish Blue F will grow to size 7 on the next turn.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Bibracte will be pacified on the next turn.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Tolosa will be pacified on the next turn.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Qin Shi Huang has 50 gold available for trade.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Ramesses II has 50 gold available for trade.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: You are the worst enemy of Saladin.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Ramesses II is the worst enemy of Brennus.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Brennus is the worst enemy of Ramesses II.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: The borders of Fake Humbaba are about to expand.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Will Trade Map: Brennus, Hammurabi, Sitting Bull
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Will Sign Peace Treaty: Brennus
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Bibracte will be pacified on the next turn.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Tolosa will be pacified on the next turn.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Qin Shi Huang has 50 gold available for trade.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Ramesses II has 50 gold available for trade.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: You are the worst enemy of Saladin.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Ramesses II is the worst enemy of Brennus.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Brennus is the worst enemy of Ramesses II.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: The borders of Fake Humbaba are about to expand.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Will Trade Map: Brennus, Hammurabi, Sitting Bull
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Will Sign Peace Treaty: Brennus
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Bibracte will be pacified on the next turn.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Tolosa will be pacified on the next turn.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Qin Shi Huang has 50 gold available for trade.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Ramesses II has 50 gold available for trade.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: You are the worst enemy of Saladin.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Ramesses II is the worst enemy of Brennus.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Brennus is the worst enemy of Ramesses II.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: The borders of Fake Humbaba are about to expand.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Will Trade Map: Brennus, Hammurabi, Sitting Bull
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Will Sign Peace Treaty: Brennus
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Commerce will grow to size 12 on the next turn.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Clams will grow to size 7 on the next turn.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Zhou will grow to size 9 on the next turn.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: West Coast Silk will grow to size 6 on the next turn.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Red Fish Blue F will grow to size 7 on the next turn.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Deal Canceled: Pig to Saladin for Gold Per Turn (5)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: You have constructed a University in Paris. Work has now begun on a Salon.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: You have constructed a University in Zhou. Work has now begun on a Salon.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: The borders of Fake Humbaba have expanded!
Turn 165, 1050 AD: You have constructed a Courthouse in Red Fish Blue F. Work has now begun on a Harbor.
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Qin Shi Huang has completed Angkor Wat!
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Brennus's Longbowman (6.00) vs Louis XIV's Crossbowman 4 (Paris) (6.00)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Combat Odds: 39.8%
Turn 165, 1050 AD: (Plot Defense: +25%)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: (Hills Attack: -25%)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Brennus's Longbowman is hit for 20 (80/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Louis XIV's Crossbowman 4 (Paris) is hit for 20 (80/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Louis XIV's Crossbowman 4 (Paris) is hit for 20 (60/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Brennus's Longbowman is hit for 20 (60/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Louis XIV's Crossbowman 4 (Paris) is hit for 20 (40/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Brennus's Longbowman is hit for 20 (40/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Brennus's Longbowman is hit for 20 (20/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Louis XIV's Crossbowman 4 (Paris) is hit for 20 (20/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Louis XIV's Crossbowman 4 (Paris) is hit for 20 (0/100HP)
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Brennus's Longbowman has defeated Louis XIV's Crossbowman 4 (Paris)!
Turn 165, 1050 AD: While defending, your Crossbowman 4 (Paris) was destroyed by a Celtic Longbowman!
Turn 165, 1050 AD: Sitting Bull adopts Vassalage!

Turn 166, 1060 AD: Paris can hurry Salon for 4⇴ with 12ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 71 turns.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Production can hurry University for 4⇴ with 19ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 74 turns.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Commerce has grown to size 12.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Clams has grown to size 7.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: West Fish can hurry Confucian Monastery for 2⇴ with 36ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 51 turns.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Barb City will become unhappy on the next turn.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: West Coast Silk has grown to size 6.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: West Coast Silk has become unhappy.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Wheat can hurry Courthouse for 2⇴ with 16ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 34 turns.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Bibracte has been pacified.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Bibracte can hurry Forge for 3⇴ with 14ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Tolosa has been pacified.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Tolosa can hurry Forge for 3⇴ with 16ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Hammurabi has 70 gold available for trade.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Saladin has 50 gold available for trade.


Buffy Log:

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Logging by BUFFY 3.19.003 (BtS 3.19)
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Turn 165/500 (1050 AD) [19-Nov-2012 14:24:17]
West Fish begins: Confucian Monastery (5 turns)
Zhou begins: Salon (12 turns)
Paris begins: Salon (11 turns)
30% Research: 207 per turn
0% Espionage: 20 per turn
70% Gold: 78 per turn, 756 in the bank

After End Turn:
The whip was applied in Paris
The whip was applied in Zhou
The whip was applied in Fake Humbaba
The whip was applied in Red Fish Blue F
Paris finishes: University
Commerce grows to size 12
Clams grows to size 7
Zhou grows to size 7
Zhou finishes: University
Fake Humbaba grows to size 3
Fake Humbaba's borders expand
Fake Humbaba finishes: Library
West Coast Silk grows to size 6
Red Fish Blue F grows to size 4
Red Fish Blue F finishes: Courthouse

Other Player Actions:
While defending in Celtic territory at Vienne, Crossbowman 4 (Paris) loses to Celtic Longbowman (1.20/6) (Prob Victory: 60.2%)
Attitude Change: Saladin (Arabia) towards Ramesses II (Egypt), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'
Civics Change: Sitting Bull(Native America) from 'Barbarism' to 'Vassalage'

Turn 166/500 (1060 AD) [19-Nov-2012 14:36:42]
Bibracte begins: Courthouse (12 turns)
Bibracte begins: Forge (7 turns)


Trades Made:

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Renegotiated this one:



Brennus' Turn:

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The fool attacked the original scouting crossbow with his city's one longbow. The longbow is now at 1.5 strength. We have pretty good odds against him.



This is what's now in Vienne:



The stack moved to the fort!



Possible Military Responses:

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It seems to me we have two main options.
1) Move most our stack to copper and hope that Brennus attacks across the river. With the 25% odds if he attacks we will take him.
2) Stay in our cities and see where he goes. This might be safer? But then we'd have to attack him. And given the diversity of both of our stacks, I want him attacking us. And I want him doing it soon so we can get on with the war


New Cities:

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Whipping the forge it is. Courthouse will come next. Same thing in Ski Resort



Actually, I think this city should go Forge -> Granary -> Courthouse. Or maybe even granary first?


Trade Offers:

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OK, green from me, no wait......:lol:

Is brennus going to attack across a river?

I find it more likely that if we leave bibracte, he will go for bibracte, moving to the forest

I am actually going to choose secret option C, leave nothing in Camel town, and put the mini stack 1SE, so that the chariots cannot get to camel town. He will move the stack to the village. Attack his stack there

Edit: sell the map to hammy, its a good price and he cannot trade it on yet
 
He can't reach Bibracte. If he doesn't attack us at copper but instead moves to Bibracte, we move the stack back to Bibracte where we will definitely crush him.

I THINK he can't get to Bibracte except with the chariots. Somebody verify please?
 
neilmeister said:
OK, green from me, no wait......:lol:

Is brennus going to attack across a river?

I find it more likely that if we leave bibracte, he will go for bibracte, moving to the forest

I am actually going to choose secret option C, leave nothing in Camel town, and put the mini stack 1SE, so that the chariots cannot get to camel town. He will move the stack to the village. Attack his stack there
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I agree that if we pull everything out of Bibracte he'll move there. I like neil's plan.
 
ChrisShaffer said:
And this is why the BUFFY log can be so important...

Also, gotta like that shrine income in Bibracte.
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How on earth do they know each other? Neither has optics
 
neilmeister said:
How on earth do they know each other? Neither has optics
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It might be worth checking the Relations screen at this point to see who has contact with who. I can't since I'm at work.
 
Benginal said:
He can't reach Bibracte. If he doesn't attack us at copper but instead moves to Bibracte, we move the stack back to Bibracte where we will definitely crush him.

I THINK he can't get to Bibracte except with the chariots. Somebody verify please?
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Most of his stack is promoted with CR, and the GW's get an extra 10% city attack. So +35% City attack, and we will have burned our fortify bonuses by moving. I would much rather wait a turn and either attack him in the open, or keep our fortify bonuses if he does move on bibracte
 
I just checked the 1050 save and Ramesses II and Saladin did not know each other. The only thing I can think is that there must be an island passageway in the north - there's a lot of unexplored territory up there.
 
In the land of bizzaro, the 1060 save shows Saladin and Ramesses II *not* knowing each other.

p.s. I'm with Neil, I think. I'd rather not see us lose our fortification bonuses.

p.p.s. I'm also with Revent, our GPP is very low and slow - we need to be in Caste soon.
 
No probs regarding gpp, gp farm has all its available pop working specialists.

Even if we are a little slow, once we have sushi and 20 specialists in gp farm, the great people will be popping out
 
ChrisShaffer said:
In the land of bizzaro, the 1060 save shows Saladin and Ramesses II *not* knowing each other.
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So I assume this means that they do not know each other as far as game mechanics are concerned, and that this is just a glitch in BUFFY?
 
Neil's plan it is for that war zone.

In Vienne I'll move everything to the spot where the longbow is. I don't think brennus will attack us.

The rest of the empire is still in the PPP.

I will trade for hammy and his map.

Green me or tell me what to do!
 
neilmeister said:
No probs regarding gpp, gp farm has all its available pop working specialists.

Even if we are a little slow, once we have sushi and 20 specialists in gp farm, the great people will be popping out
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Well, as great as that is it's past the time in which GP's are SIGNIFICANTLY useful. :p As you can see, GP's only save us like 5 turns per tech or so and then eventually, they may go as little as 1-3 turns! :eek:

Edit: No green from me yet! Sorry but I'm in the process of Bur Vs FS and where to build OU. It's A LOT of work so it's taking time :( BUT I don't have work tomorrow so I'll be up late doing the calculations. It's a lot to post in a post so I'm going to be attaching a spreadsheet if that is fine. :)
 
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