SGOTM 16 - U'nu'sual S'us'pec'ts

Turn 166

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Here is your Session Turn Log from 1060 AD to 1070 AD:

Turn 166, 1060 AD: Paris can hurry Salon for 4⇴ with 12ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 71 turns.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Production can hurry University for 4⇴ with 19ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 74 turns.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Commerce has grown to size 12.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Clams has grown to size 7.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: West Fish can hurry Confucian Monastery for 2⇴ with 36ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 51 turns.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Barb City will become unhappy on the next turn.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: West Coast Silk has grown to size 6.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: West Coast Silk has become unhappy.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Wheat can hurry Courthouse for 2⇴ with 16ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 34 turns.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Bibracte has been pacified.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Bibracte can hurry Forge for 3⇴ with 14ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Tolosa has been pacified.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Tolosa can hurry Forge for 3⇴ with 16ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Hammurabi has 70 gold available for trade.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Saladin has 50 gold available for trade.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Barb City will become unhappy on the next turn.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Hammurabi has 70 gold available for trade.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Saladin has 50 gold available for trade.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: You are the worst enemy of Saladin.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Ramesses II is the worst enemy of Brennus.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Brennus is the worst enemy of Ramesses II.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Will Trade Map: Brennus, Hammurabi, Sitting Bull
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Will Sign Peace Treaty: Brennus
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Deal Canceled: Fish to Sitting Bull for Gold Per Turn (1)
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 1 (West Coast Silk) (8.00) vs Brennus's Longbowman (1.20)
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Brennus's Longbowman is hit for 29 (0/100HP)
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 1 (West Coast Silk) has defeated Brennus's Longbowman!
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Your Maceman 1 (West Coast Silk) has destroyed a Longbowman!
Turn 166, 1060 AD: West Fish will grow to size 6 on the next turn.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Barb City will grow to size 9 on the next turn.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Wheat will grow to size 3 on the next turn.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Red Fish Blue F will grow to size 5 on the next turn.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: You have constructed a Confucian Monastery in West Fish. Work has now begun on a University.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: You have constructed a Forge in Bibracte. Work has now begun on Buddhist Missionary.
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Cimmerian (Barbarian) has been captured by the Chinese Empire!!!
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Brennus's Trireme (2.20) vs Louis XIV's Caravel 1 (Clams) (3.30)
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Combat Odds: 9.9%
Turn 166, 1060 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 166, 1060 AD: (Plot Defense: +10%)
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Brennus's Trireme is hit for 24 (76/100HP)
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Brennus's Trireme is hit for 24 (52/100HP)
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Louis XIV's Caravel 1 (Clams) is hit for 16 (84/100HP)
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Brennus's Trireme is hit for 24 (28/100HP)
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Brennus's Trireme is hit for 24 (4/100HP)
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Brennus's Trireme is hit for 24 (0/100HP)
Turn 166, 1060 AD: Louis XIV's Caravel 1 (Clams) has defeated Brennus's Trireme!
Turn 166, 1060 AD: While defending, your Caravel 1 (Clams) has killed a Celtic Trireme!
Turn 166, 1060 AD: A Forge in Tolosa was destroyed by enemy infiltrators!

Turn 167, 1070 AD: A French Spy 2 (Production) has been stumbled upon while operating near the Arabian city of Najran!
Turn 167, 1070 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Bibracte!
Turn 167, 1070 AD: Production has become unhappy.
Turn 167, 1070 AD: Commerce has become unhappy.
Turn 167, 1070 AD: Clams will become unhappy on the next turn.
Turn 167, 1070 AD: Barb City has grown to size 9.
Turn 167, 1070 AD: Barb City has become unhappy.
Turn 167, 1070 AD: Zhou can hurry Salon for 3⇴ with 32ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 46 turns.
Turn 167, 1070 AD: West Coast Silk has become happy.
Turn 167, 1070 AD: Red Fish Blue F has grown to size 5.
Turn 167, 1070 AD: Qin Shi Huang has 60 gold available for trade.
Turn 167, 1070 AD: Hammurabi is the worst enemy of Saladin.
Turn 167, 1070 AD: The borders of Bibracte are about to expand.
Turn 167, 1070 AD: The borders of Sugar Gems are about to expand.


Buffy Log:

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Logging by BUFFY 3.19.003 (BtS 3.19)
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Turn 166/500 (1060 AD) [19-Nov-2012 19:26:03]
A Watermill was built near Barb City
Fake Humbaba begins: Harbor (80 turns)
Bibracte begins: Library (9 turns)
Bibracte begins: Longbowman (10 turns)
Bibracte begins: Chariot (6 turns)
Bibracte begins: Worker (12 turns)
Bibracte begins: Explorer (8 turns)
Bibracte begins: Spy (8 turns)
Bibracte begins: Buddhist Missionary (8 turns)
Bibracte begins: Buddhist Missionary (8 turns)
Bibracte begins: Maceman (14 turns)
Bibracte begins: Longbowman (10 turns)
Bibracte begins: Crossbowman (12 turns)
Bibracte begins: Chariot (6 turns)
Bibracte begins: Horse Archer (10 turns)
Bibracte begins: Barracks (9 turns)
Bibracte begins: Confucian Temple (14 turns)
Bibracte begins: Confucian Monastery (10 turns)
Bibracte begins: Buddhist Monastery (10 turns)
Bibracte begins: Buddhist Missionary (8 turns)
Bibracte begins: Forge (1 turns)
While attacking in Celtic territory at Bibracte, Maceman 1 (West Coast Silk) (8.00/8) defeats Celtic Longbowman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
A Mine was built near Sugar Gems
100% Research: 703 per turn
0% Espionage: 22 per turn
0% Gold: -211 per turn, 904 in the bank

After End Turn:
The whip was applied in West Fish
The whip was applied in Wheat
The whip was applied in Bibracte
The whip was applied in Tolosa
A Town was built near Commerce
West Fish grows to size 6
West Fish finishes: Confucian Monastery
Barb City grows to size 9
West Coast Silk finishes: Chariot
Wheat grows to size 3
Wheat finishes: Courthouse
Red Fish Blue F grows to size 5
Bibracte finishes: Forge
Tolosa finishes: Forge

Other Player Actions:
While defending in Celtic territory near Durnovaria, Caravel 1 (Clams) (2.52/3) defeats Celtic Trireme (Prob Victory: 90.1%)


City Moves:

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New Maps:

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The Entrance to the Bay:







I cancelled our fish for 1 gpt with SB to re-do it for 2 gpt, but then he wouldn't trade for fish. :confused:



We could trade corn as we're about to get a new one:



Some War Moves:

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Who said no pain no gain?





Ben Was Stupid / Brennus Was Smart

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Odds at Vienne are good and he didn't whip another longbow. I say the longbows all bombard and then we take the city with the 4 maces.



Brennus' move was smart. But he can't reach any city with anything except the chariots. And we have a lot more movement possibility than he does.
 
Edit: and hang on, how did you whip the forge and the mish.... didn;t know you could whip 2 units in the same turn

Heck yeah you can man! I've whipped up to 4 things before on one turn.
 
Ooookay.

He moved towards Tolosa because that was the least defended City. You were supposed to leave CamareDumDum empty.

Need some time to come up with a strategy.....

Ohhhhhh. I'm sorry, I thought I understood that, :mad::sad:. I thought you wanted me to move the units that were in it down, and the units in the forest into Camera. I guess we should just hold our ground and see where he goes?

So, so sorry again.
 
Ohhhhhh. I'm sorry, I thought I understood that, :mad::sad:. I thought you wanted me to move the units that were in it down, and the units in the forest into Camera. I guess we should just hold our ground and see where he goes?

So, so sorry again.

No probs, I shouldn't have been so sarcastic.... we can recover from this.
 
Will the chariots split up from the stack? Or is Brennus going to keep them all together. My testing last night made it seem like a pikeman with combat one, and a mace with combat 1 and Shock can take down almost the whole stack barring something unlucky.

Also, will he change his target now that he's set on Tolosa?
 
His combined stack strength is greater than ours. Doesn't look very good imo. Plus, he does suicide units quite a bit (due to belief that he has a higher chance of winning than is actually so)
 
His combined stack strength is greater than ours. Doesn't look very good imo. Plus, he does suicide units quite a bit (due to belief that he has a higher chance of winning than is actually so)

This is just wrong though! He's got more units. Nothing else?

Results from yesterday
 
Here it goes:

The plan is to have enough units in each of the 3 cities so that we can defend against the 6 Chariots that can attack any of them:

We also now want them to continue to Tolosa, as that is where he seems to want to go. So we need to leave that the least defended.

We also want to move the killer part of our stack to somewhere they can reach his stack in the open.

Move all of the trebs outside CameraDumDum inside it.
Move Super medic and Pike into CameraDumDum as well.
Move the 2 Maces outside CameraDumDum to Tolosa
Move Sugar Gems spear to CameraDumDum (arrives next turn)

Move 4 maces, 2 xbows & 2 cats from Bibracte to the PH south of Tolosa - within range of Bibracte & Tolosa and of wherever he moves his stack. If he keeps moving towards Tolosa, then this mini-stack can move into Tolosa and still attck his stack on the same turn.

Bombard Vienne with all 3 Trebs, attack with 3 maces, pray all 3 win. :please:, move last Mace back to Bibracte. edit: Do this first, before you move the Bibracte units, just in case

This will all leave:
CameraDumDum: 2 Maces, 1 Xbow, 5 Trebs, 1 Spear, 1 Pike, 1 super-medic
Tolosa: 1 Xbow, 1 Treb, 2 Maces
Bibracte: 2 Trebs, 1 Cat, 2 Maces, 1 Xbow, 1 Pike, 1 LB, 1 spear, 1 medic (upgrade the spear)

Floating: 4 maces, 2 X-bows, 1 Cats
 
More general question.

Neil, what made you think that Brennus would move to the town if he was targeting Camera dumdum? Why wouldn't he still move to the forest?

Good point, so I'm not only nasty, I'm dumb! :blush:
 
Perhaps another option is that we could take Vienne, ceasefire, take a turn to organise all our units and declare again. Diplo is irrelevant since he's dying anyway and other AI haven't met him yet.
 
Perhaps another option is that we could take Vienne, ceasefire, take a turn to organise all our units and declare again. Diplo is irrelevant since he's dying anyway and other AI haven't met him yet.

THIS!!!!!!!

I didn't even think of this, but it is briliant!!!


Actually, I just checked, and we can get peace for:
Thebes (I know!!)
40 Gold
3 GPT
 
I think Revents first suggestion of the cease fire is better, as we can position our stack so we can break the cease fire and attack the Brennus SoD in a turn or 2

edit: After we take Vienne of course.
 
Actually, I just checked, and we can get peace for:
Thebes (I know!!)
40 Gold
3 GPT

Would capturing Vienne affect this? That is, if we capture Vienne would Thebes become his new capital? Or are captured cities not on the list/low on the list of capital priorities?

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I think Revents first suggestion of the cease fire is better, as we can position our stack so we can break the cease fire and attack the Brennus SoD in a turn or 2

edit: After we take Vienne of course.

Yeah, as tempting as Thebes is, I think this leaves us better positioned.
 
Would capturing Vienne affect this? That is, if we capture Vienne would Thebes become his new capital? Or are captured cities not on the list/low on the list of capital priorities?

Probably, but I think we just want the cease fire. He should take a cease fire even oif we take Vienne.

We can still attack his stack next turn, just on our terms.
 
Thebes is currently in revolt. Imagine if it rejoined the Egyptians and was Brennus's last city :lol: Would save us quite a bit of work :lol:

Ceasefire would let us fight his stack on our terms :)
 
part -turn mini plan copyright by Revent

Bombard Vienne with the 3 Trebs, and take it with 3 Maces.
Then ask Brennus for a cease-fire.
 
part -turn mini plan copyright by Revent

Bombard Vienne with the 3 Trebs, and take it with 3 Maces.
Then ask Brennus for a cease-fire.

Green from me, since I just got this video of the situation in Tolosa.
 
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