Capto Iugulum: 1920 - 1939

Do you really believe that Japan would deign to rescind its control over Aisuyochi, swearing off any intervention in its former colony and allowing a fully-independent, democratic republic to be established in the area?

Not really. We hope that they would, but we do not really expect that from Japan.

If you do not believe in an independent Aisuyochi, then an other solution would be to make Aisuyochi an autonomus province with it's own parliament but part of your nation.

Buddha bless you.
 
OOC: My expectation is that there's decidedly little French nationalism as such, and even less Norman, etc., nationalism, because I expect that, whatever the German inhabitants think, the French have largely swallowed the doctrines of Confederation and Anti-Nationalism. So I'm of the opinion that, offered a vote, the people of the Confederation wouldn't want to split up, but equally won't have much of a sense of French nationalism for some years to come, on account of a kind of national-consciousness-befuddlement, which is kind of an interesting cultural scenario.
 
ooc: for some reason, when you say that I can't take you seriously.

ooc: I know. I take the phrase from Kung Fu movies where most Buddhist Monks always say ''Buddha bless you''.
 
I mean, "Drexlerism" is largely a reaction to the Confederation's refusal to appease nationalistic wants among it's minorities, and of course, suffering through German Unification. There can't really be a reconciliation between the course of Confederation thought, and Drexlerian thought when it comes to race, and nationalism, I suppose.
 
Interesting TLK! What are Drexler's views on immigrant-based nations, like those found in the Americas? Vinland, for example, has a Swedish-influenced pan-Nordic culture, with overwhelmingly Scando-Russian ancestry. Our language is an odd Swedish dialect loaded with Norwegian, Finnish and Danish influences, and loads of Russian loanwords. Our ethnogenesis is still an ongoing process.

What would Drexler think of the 2% of Vinlanders who are of German heritage, or were even born in German territories, such as the hundreds of thousands of Prussians who fled to our country during that state's purging by the Russians? Would his ideology dictate that a majority-German village in the Västermark should have the ability to declare the Independent Republic of Oljagejser?

I am quite curious! :)
 
ooc: Question:

Is Occitiana (or how it is spelled) and Britany considered to be French?
 
OOC: I think Drexler will use the Aztlan debacle to his advantage/make a point somehow.

What about regionalist movements within immigrant cultures? Population mixture-wise, Florida and Jacksonia are not too different from the USA, but they clearly have a large enough independence-minded movement that they were able to stand on their own in the 1912 Crisis, independent from both regional alliances, one of the two governments, or military dictatorship as actual nations. I don't know how different their actual cultures are, though.

@ Christos: When the pre-FBC Treaty of Poitiers was formed, Brittany was affirmed its independence and territorial integrity. Breton Nationalism was much more successful OTL than IRL and they threw out several pan-Francophone movements at the end of Empires of Nations (I was even considering invading them for that as Normandy). They are decidedly non-french.

Occitania is a grey area. When I was Normandy I was allied with Languedoc and served to cut the Treaty of Poitiers group in half. However, after they crushed the 1st Orleans Revolt (or something) and I became a Parliamentary Monarchy, I joined the Treaty of Poitiers and then the Orleans War, which formed the FBC. They used to consider themselves French, and wanted to lead a united France in lieu of the Paris-Burgundy German-Swiss-French-Stuff coalition. My defection was one thing which led to their failture. They rechristianed themselves Occitanian and gave up their claims to France, but their actual nationalism is probably still grey. When I played as Occitania in the Great War, I emphasized the "betrayal" by Spain more than rivalry with the FBC.
 
ooc: Question:

Is Occitiana (or how it is spelled) and Britany considered to be French?

Occitania's self perception is evolving, and currently uncertain. Occitanians have considered themselves French for hundreds of years, and speak what is for all practical purposes still the French language, but have as of the creation of the Kingdom of Occitania, been increasingly interested in calling themselves a nation of their own, to distinguish their identity and history from what ended up being the Confederation. Both camps, people who feel pride in a French identity, and people who have embraced an Occitanian identity exist in large numbers equally, but neither is particularly radical, as the issue has not been pressing.

I should submit some scholarly work on the progress of Occitanian nationalism sometime soon.
 
people who feel pride in a French identity, and people who have embraced an Occitanian identity exist in large numbers equally

ooc: So that means that many Occitanians want some sort of unified France?

Also why the confederation does not name itself France?
 
At some point when I was playing Spain and was planning to make it a Phoenixist dictatorship, I wrote up the "Central Tenants of Phoenixism" or something.

Basically, rather than creating a race-based hierarchy, it was based on 'Culture.' So the 'Iberian Culture' included Spanish and Portuguese people, but it also included the Indians, Filipinos, Cubans, people from Aztlan, Berbers, etc.

Basically it was meant to be malleable as hell so I could include all the colonies I wanted to get back and avoid antagonising my allies by claiming the Philippines. The endgoal was that a Culture would form a world-spanning 'National Culture-state.'

Anyway, the point is that it ironically enough would really be against everything Drexler lays out in his 14-point manifesto, but if I had my way Drexler's Germany and Phoenix Spain would be fighting on the same side.
 
OOC: It is a Franco-Burgundian Monstrosity.

Or the Normandy-Paris-Burgundy-Piedmont-Poitiers-Orleans-Dauphine-ect-ect-ect Confederation.
 
ooc: So that means that many Occitanians want some sort of unified France?

Also why the confederation does not name itself France?

In the first Occitanian election there was a party whose slated platform was joining the Confederation. So yep, there are people who want to join, but no one is particularly radical or militant towards that end.

Franco-Burgundy is named as such like Austro-Hungary. It's two kingdoms which came together, with several large provinces additionally. Also, without Occitania, it just wouldn't be France. ;)
 
OOC: All of this culture talk is making me want to finally do my writeup on the the "Guanglish" dialects/culture developing in the cities of Guangxi, especially since it now seems this little cultural experiment might go down in flames at any minute :undecide:
 
Based off of how things transpired in CIEN and the BT, Occitania probably has an identity of "French but not Confederate." As the current Occitania player stated, in recent years a separate identity has developed. That said, the concept of "France" actually finds its modern home in Occitania.
 
Political Spectrum of Occitania

Parties Which Have Successfully Contended for Government:

National Unity Party
A messy early assembly of the conservative factions of Occitania, National Unity has a minor identity problem. It’s core issues are, quite naturally, regional protection of Occitania, internal support for the government, and monarchy oriented economic policies. The internal divisions have come from how nationalistic the party should be, as many simply desire conservation of the state and national pride, rather than expansion of either. The first Premier Ministre of National Unity, Pascal Saysset, with his charismatic attention to the subtleties of politics, kept National Unity together for multiple elections, forwarding economic plans as well as creating the framework for Occitanian geopolitics, being a founder of the Rhine-Rhone Pact, entering the Spanish Civil War where Spain was also brought into the Pact. Since the 1920 election, with the defeat by the Party of Order, Pierre has dropped his post as leader of the party, and the internal strife is being watched by political commentators on the future of National Unity.

Party for Confederation
Considered a liberal faction, the party has one main issue, closer relations with the Franco-Burgundian union, or preferably joining their Confederation. They tried to appeal to the larger demographics in the earlier elections, advocating freer trade, a better system for starting a business, and lower taxation alongside their largest issue. The party has become largely irrelevant, and its internal elites are troubled to redefine the party; many members have left and joined the Party of Order.

Party of Order
The third most significant party in Occitanian election history has been the Party of Order, a dominant force for liberalism. They are the main critics of National Unity and conservatism in Occitania, demanding more progressive economic and social reforms for society. The election of 1920 has been more moderation between internal and foreign policy, and was the parties first election forming government. Pierre Durand’s moved quickly to sign the Luxembourg Accord, promoting peace in western Europe, and he showed calmness towards the party’s demands for reform, preparing for several new worker laws. The Party of Order accepted their allies call into the Italian-Confederate War of Piedmont, which contributed to their success in the following election. Durand has made many hard decisions during his two terms, which have gained him fame for his calm resistance to political adversaries, but has also tarnished his reputation as a fighting liberal.

Other Major Parties:

Socialist Party
Founded in a coffee shop in 1917, the social proletarist party of Occitania has weighed in on every election since then, to minor public attention. They advocate for rapid labour reform, lowering the working day, universal secondary and primary education, raising the minimum wage, and variously improving working conditions. The party has been extremely unpalatable to the noble and capitalist classes of Occitania, and has received very little economic support. Unions have also been barred from directly funding them, as acting thus would constitute them as socialist unions. Despite this, or perhaps because of this, the Socialist Party is the most stable political party in Occitania, maintaining the same dedicated members with few members leaving for other, more popular, parties.

Moderate Party
The moderate party has the most peculiar internal issue of all the major parties of Occitania, that is, defining what precisely is moderate. The most recent election of the Party of Order demonstrated even liberals can claim moderation, if the previous government was not. Thus defining precisely where the middle of the spectrum is in Occitania has been very difficult, and the Moderate Party suffers the perennial issue of members exiting for other stronger parties. Though the Moderates usually lose people, the core staff has remained, and the focus as of recent has been that the Moderates are the incorrupt (or least corrupt) party, with no strong allegiance to capitalist backers, labour, the king, or any other faction in Occitanian politics.

People’s Party
The People’s Party is the least popular of nationally eligible parties, gaining not more than a single seat in the history of Occitania. The leadership of the party is however strong from the ideological glue of nationalism and state corporatism, and its members are mostly youth activist working from educational institutes across the country. The party believes in reducing the monarchy’s power, nationalizing core industries, though leaving large firms to continue to compete, and building a strong army and navy, and has its extremes in reclaiming the title of the nation of France. The People’s Party has been the most critical of the government on the slow naval rebuilding efforts, mismanagement of military engagements leading to fewer military successes than could be obtained, and frequently receives press for the radical statements its members make. The party is also highly anti-proletarist and anti-clerical.

Traditional Proletarists and Religious Parties:

While Occitania is not a secular state, and usually allows publication of reform writings which are sympathetic to revolution, traditional proletarist and religious parties are constitutionally banned. Proletarist parties are banned, not by direct mention, but by a section of the constitution which forbids parties whose platform are revolutionary change of government and the constitution, while religious parties are banned explicitly. The upper house of Occitania has several seats given to bishops or high ranking religious officials, because of the importance of representing Occitania’s religious population. A whole party dedicated to religious advancement does not constitute legitimate leaders in Occitania, as they are perceived to fail to modulate their policies to the population, and sacrifice good government work for inaccurate interpretation of scripture. The Occitanian population has been cynical of religious justifications since the last century. Thus religious and proletarist parties are banned because the latter is poisonous to the nature of Occitanian democracy, and the former is both already represented, and in the form of a party, considered bad at governing.
 
@EQ

Would you tell me how in-character the above post is? You seemed to have a different idea about the political landscape of Occitania, so does the above sound good?
 
OOC: Yes. He said designs. Designs which by right do not belong to the French. PADA did not force Portugal to hand over design rights to any of its ships, did it? :p All of this is pointless, the Confederation hasn't lost anything.

Yeah, just our entire fleet which could have been used to invade Portugal as well in case you decided to neutralize us as one would say. But hey, we recouped all of our investment and then some, and we're underway with making a new design right now in fact. :)


@EQ
Minor question, but can the design of warships be influenced or based off of others that are currently had? Such as if Japan or Denmark or even Florida able to capture a radar capable ship? Or just in general (such as someone using a battleship design's stats as a starting point before expanding?)
 
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