Brave New World's 9 new Civs

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What about Argentina as a dark horse civ? It could fill in south america even more and could have an ideology related belief. Eva Peron could be the leader and the gaucho the unit. Also, couldn't any new trading civ have an ability that makes caravans and ships armoured so you don't need to guard them?
 
I think at this point the important deciding factor concerning which civs will or will not be in is how many European civs we get. We are likely to get anywhere between 2-5 European civs (1 European civ, Poland, is impossible in my opinion because Portugal is 99.99999% guaranteed).

Thus, here's my somewhat revised (or perhaps more detailed) speculation list for the last six civs, based off this one I posted earlier. I am relying on several assumptions here, listed from strongest to weakest:

  1. The new Sofia CS will replace an existing militaristic CS - either Budapest-Hungary, Hanoi-Vietnam, or Almaty-some Silk Road civ. There is precedent for CS replacement (see here); new CS have only been introduced when new civs were introduced in DLC or G&K.
  2. Portugal will be included because: Brazil is included; it screams of international trade and exploration, which are themes of BNW; it's European; it's been in before
  3. Zulus are also very likely to be included because they are the Civ tradition, even more so than Gandhi's nukes
  4. The Pueblo civ will be replaced by another Native American civ, as the Pueblo indicates the devs' interest in a NA civ (we also have that odd eastern NA "barbarian" unit floating around)
  5. The Scramble for Africa civ will be the basis for at least one civ, similarly to how most of the civs in Gods and Kings were made for scenarios


If there are only 2 European civilizations:
  • Portugal
  • Zululand
  • Unknown native American civ - probably eastern Native American, such as Cherokee, Shawnee (Tecumseh), etc.
  • Vietnam or Silk Road Civ (probably Timurids)
  • Unknown African civ - possibly Kongo, Ashanti, Dahomey, or others
  • Dark Horse - IF Vietnam is not chosen, then Indonesia; otherwise, chances split among Indonesia, another Africa civ, another native American civ, or a near eastern civ such as Israel, Hittites, etc.

If there are 3 European civs:
  • Portugal
  • Zululand
  • Unknown native American civ
  • Hungary, Vietnam, or Silk Road Civ
  • Unknown African civ OR, if Hungary is not chosen above, Italy OR Belgium
  • Dark Horse - IF Italy OR either Belgium OR Hungary, then unknown Africa, Indonesia, Vietnam, or Silk Road Civ are likely

If there are 4 European civs:
  • Portugal
  • Zululand
  • Unknown native American civ
  • Hungary
  • Italy OR Belgium
  • Dark Horse - likely either possible unknown African civ, Indonesia, Vietnam, or Silk Road Civ

If there are 5 European civs:
  • Portugal
  • Zululand
  • Unknown native American civ
  • Hungary
  • Italy
  • Belgium


I'd say 3 or 4 European civs are the likely scenarios. 2 is too low and 5 would cut out an Asian civ, which I suspect they will put in.

Thoughts? (I'm also not even considering female leaders as a factor at this point, it'd get too complicated. :crazyeye:)
 
Very thought out and well-reasoned! :goodjob:

I'm putting my money on just two Europeans this expansion. Maybe three. I don't think four or five are going to happen.

My remaining six:

  • Portugal
  • Zululand
  • Native American (Tecumseh/Shawnee sounds possible, but I'm not counting any out)
  • Indonesia
  • African (Kongo?)
  • A Dark Horse (my favorite likely candidate is Tamerlane/Timurids)
 
cybrxkhan your thoughts are well reasoned. :thumbsup:

My predictions are that we'll get three European civs, I don't think we'll get five as this would be an overkill.

My predictions for the last six civs are:

  • Portugal
  • Zulu(maybe they'll be replaced by somebody more interesting)
  • Cherokee or Shawnee
  • Italy
  • Vietnam
  • Timurids
 
I actually hope that Italy isn't picked. I like having them as city states, and it historically more accurate. Also, like other people, Im sick of traditional European civs. Portugal, fine but only because its inevitable. Besides,i like having a slot open for an unexpected dark horsecandidate. Lastly, does anyone know if theyre including any already created dlc civs in the bnw? They included Spain in gk so....
 
Besides obvious Portugal, I'd like to wager we're getting 2 African and 2 Native American civs. The last one is probably "Asian", be that SE Asia (Vietnam), Silk Road, or Indonesian region.

Why two Native Americans: because of that Tomahawk unit and the Civil War Scenario. I'm not 100% the Pueblo are even gone, but if they are I doubt they'd be replaced by an Eastern tribe. Seems more likely they'd pick from other Southwest options to at least remain close to their desired goal. Which leaves the Tomahawk and the Civil War. The photo of the "Axe" unit is clearly staged in order to show the unit, and considering Barbs tend to always mimic European style units, having a Native American warrior "just cause" seems highly unlikely. Meaning there is a good chance it belongs to a new Civ. Shawnee and Cherokee were both involved in the Civil War, both could conceivably be depicted using tomahawks, and both are fairly well known to American/Canadian audiences.
 
Portugal
Zulu
Kongo
Vietnam
Indonesia
some Native American civ

Songhai, Kongo, Zulu, Egypt, and Ethiopia are more than enough to make the scenario proper. No need for another african civ. For Europeans, Belgian could be represented by Napoleon or William or whatever they tend to reuse leaderheads.
 
I would wager that we are looking at two Native American civs now, due to the Tomahawk unit certain to be an Eastern tribe linked to the Civil War, and the Pueblo artwork likely being recycled to either another Southwest tribe or - we can hope - the Pueblo are still included, just with a different leader.

Based on the arguments above - regarding city-state flips - I have a feeling we might see a list like this:

1. Poland (confirmed)
2. Assyria (confirmed)
3. Brazil (confirmed

4. Portugal (almost certain)
5. Cherokee
6. Apache
7. Zulu
8. Kongo
9. Vietnam

That said, I am still holding out the possibility of either a) Israel, b) Italy, c) Belgium, d) Pueblo, and e) Indonesia as possible civs in-place of one or two I have in my list.
 
I'd be really surprised if we get two Native American civs and even more so if both are from North America. I agree with the arguments speaking for two Native tribes, but I'm not sure how well they fit with any of the new game mechanics(trade, culture, tourism, ideology and world congress).

I still suspect it'll be 3 European, 2 Asian, 1 ME, 1 Native, 1 South American and 1 African civ.
 
Art Grin said:
I'd be really surprised if we get two Native American civs and even more so if both are from North America. I agree with the arguments speaking for two Native tribes, but I'm not sure how well they fit with any of the new game mechanics(trade, culture, tourism, ideology and world congress).

I still suspect it'll be 3 European, 2 Asian, 1 ME, 1 Native, 1 South American and 1 African civ.
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Almost the same thoughts as mine
I think it will be 1 Asian, and 2 African civs though
 
Am I the only person who:

a) would much rather see Indonesia than Vietnam (both are deserving, but I don't think both will make it into this expansion), and
b) actually thinks that Indonesia are more likely since they are so well-suited to the trade routes and tourism element of the expansion?
 
blackcatatonic said:
Am I the only person who:

a) would much rather see Indonesia than Vietnam (both are deserving, but I don't think both will make it into this expansion), and
b) actually thinks that Indonesia are more likely since they are so well-suited to the trade routes and tourism element of the expansion?
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Of course not
Just check any of the poll results, especially this one (which civs do you expect):
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=491240

163 votes for some form of Indonesia (54.70%)
50 votes for Vietnam (16.78%)
 
^ True, but opinion shifts a lot on this place, and it seems to me that since that poll was made, there has been a definite shift towards Vietnam over Indonesia as the most likely Asian Civ. People cannot change their votes; that's the problem with polls.
 
I prefer Indonesia and Khmer over Vietnam, but Indonesia is
what I want most. If Indonesia is not in I will be very dissappointed.
 
1- Portugal
2-Zulu
3-Indonesia
4-Native America
5- Kongo
6- Don't know at all,maybe another african,maybe Phoenicians (yn),but it could be anyciv
 
With "Indonesia" most people mean both Srivijaya, Majapahit, the modern state and the other historical kingdoms. Srivijaya is just one empire, not a civilization.
 
Arbustro said:
Isn't Indonesia very modern? Even USA and Brazil are 200 years old, and they are the most modern civs. So wouldn't Srivijaya be better?
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I'm pretty sure by Indonesia people mean the Majapahit. Firaxis just has a tendency to use the name of modern nations in Civ V.
 
I want Maritime SE Asia to get a representation.. Even only with 1 civ.., while IMO they deserved to get more than 1 civ..
Spoiler Picture :
2000px-Indonesia_Ethnic_Groups_Map_English.svg.png

Majapahit or Indonesia and the ethnics above are similar to USA and Iroquois or Sioux.. One civ ruling the others, but neither of them are similar..

And I hope we also get several decent African civs.. :please:
 
blackcatatonic said:
^ True, but opinion shifts a lot on this place, and it seems to me that since that poll was made, there has been a definite shift towards Vietnam over Indonesia as the most likely Asian Civ. People cannot change their votes; that's the problem with polls.
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Not necessarily. I myself have only shifted towards Vietnam in that I believe they are more likely to make it over Indonesia. A lot of people have the same mindset.

But who do I want to make it? Indonesia by a long shot. I would be massively disappointed if they don't. Just look at that map above - how exactly the largest SE Asian empire and most geographically dominant hasn't made it in any of the 5 civ games and their respective expansions is beyond me.

edit: grammar
 
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