Imperium OffTopicum XIV

Robert Can't said:

But mainland Japan is China? *Scratch head*

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I will expand in China for the rest of the IOT.

The United Arab Republic states that piracy is a crime, and that no sympathy is held for Elton Lee and his thugs.

Sonereal said:

(OOC: Forgive me, I'm not entirely sure how the UAR works)

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That's OK, we've been winging it ourselves since ATEN. Basically, any sort of national policy is joint jurisdiction, and we can negotiate on each other's behalf. Nedim correct me if I'm wrong, but since I generally pay closer attention to the thread, if it's an emergency you can call me. We forward each other communiqués for consensus on everything anyway.

The Republic of New Rhodesia hopes for peaceful relationships with the UAR.

Thanks Sonereal. Have a free expansion point next turn

United Emirates of Casablanca and Gibraltar​

Government:Constitutional Monarchy with the Emir and his appointed viziers acting as the executive branch with a democratically elected legislative branch. Power is still mostly held in the Emir's hands as he holds the power to veto any law and appoints a Grand Vizier to head the legislative branch.
Capital: Casablanca
Head of State: Ibn Farouk
Grand Vizier: Nasser Kabir
Religion: Mostly non-denominational Muslims with some Sunni, Shi'ite, and Christian areas.
Claims:I have created a compilation of all the current claims to the best of my ability.

To confirm some issues that have cropped up: Initial claims are always 8 independent of size. I will upload a map tomorrow showing which provinces are more expensive.
In regards to Ailed's nation switch I have this to say:
It appears to me to be somewhat a ragequit which is generally not seen as that reprehensible however I feel that a ragequit on the first turn only to start as a new nation on the same turn and demand that your old nation remains as an NPC is slightly in breach of the etiquette that governs these games. How Ailed thought that creating a pirate nation would not ruffle some feathers I do not see but still I maintain that Sonereal's DOW should hold.
I have thus decided to ask you what you think should be done about this. Should we let Ailed relocate (it is after all only the first turn) or should we not? (Upon reading the IOT forum rules I don't think the second option would be a breach of them as no one is being denied the right to play)

he should try to stay put. after all, his position isn't that insecure. yet.

Well right now it is just him vs Sone so as long as more people don't join then Allied should have a fighting chance of defending himself. Especially since he is running defense which is always easier than being an aggressor.

But it is his state and if he wants to edit his sign up before the game actually starts then I don't see how we could possibly prevent him from doing so and be in the right.

Robert Can't said:

:It appears to me to be somewhat a ragequit which is generally not seen as that reprehensible however I feel that a ragequit on the first turn only to start as a new nation on the same turn and demand that your old nation remains as an NPC is slightly in breach of the etiquette that governs these games. How Ailed thought that creating a pirate nation would not ruffle some feathers I do not see but still I maintain that Sonereal's DOW should hold.
I have thus decided to ask you what you think should be done about this. Should we let Ailed relocate (it is after all only the first turn) or should we not? (Upon reading the IOT forum rules I don't think the second option would be a breach of them as no one is being denied the right to play)

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As long as the first update acknowledges Texarkana's victory against the pirates and the execution of Elton and the gang leaders, I am fine if the old country remains in place as a Texark-styled mayornate.

This would gel with my RP so far. I rather not the country simply disappear, and if the player is abandoning it, who cares what happens afterwards?

But it is his state and if he wants to edit his sign up before the game actually starts then I don't see how we could possibly prevent him from doing so and be in the right.

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He isn't merely moving and editing his country. According to RC, he's trying to have his cake and eat it too by forcing his old country to remain in place as a NPC to attack me. Probably even seeking some creative control of the old country as well.

Though, either way, Elton will be executed.

Name: Women's Republic of France
Government: Matriarchal Presidential Republic. Only women can be citizens and vote.
Capital: Paris
President: Yvette Pettigrew
Religion: Secular state, mostly secular population with some Christian holdouts
Claims: See attachment

Will add more infomation later

Roman naval power grows, War has been declared

Emperor Andreas has ordered the construction of three aircraft carriers and its battle groups, plus several transports for marines to join in the conflict.

obviously, this means that the Roman Empire has declared war on the Pirates.

the Emperor will try to cooperate with Texarkana for as long as the pirates remain.

it will take about a year, to complete it all. for now, the existing military, that is, everything i just inherited from turkey, will defend this turn. 112 vessels, mostly small ones, 50,000 naval personnel, and 400,000 Soldiers.

(note: since i claimed all of turkey, i am the only nation who can claim to have already completed the expansion, if it was necessary.)

Name: Indo-Persian Kingdom

Ruler: Shah Messam Ghorbani I from the Persepolian party

Goverment: The goverment is a constitutional monarchy. There is a shah that rules the country and is the head of the goverment. There is also a senate that cuts off much of the shah's power, but the shah has veto power when any decision by the senate has less than 70% approval after two weeks of it's proposal.

To enter the senate, one must either be from a dynasty from the many parties (see below), have a lot of money to bribe their way in or have exceptionally high degrees at the University of Persepolis, the most prestigious university in all the country and a public one. The reason then, why it's the only university where people can enter the senate after having high degrees, is that is a very strict university with major educative resources. Therefore, not many have even acceptable degrees.

Parties: The goverment is also an elective monarchy. Basically each party internally elects it's own king from among it's members. The kings rule until death and when a king dies, the aristrocracy, elect the new king from among the parties. Below is a list of all parties and a summary of their objectives (in order from most popular to least popular):
Persepolian Party
A moderate party, it supports the monarchy and encourages expansionist and research pruposes.
Tehran Party:
A nationalist iranian party, it demands that the frontiers are streched into modern day Iran and Pakistan but demands no further territory.
Ahura Madza's Party:
An extremist nationalist party, it's a party that promotes iranian dominance in the region. Like the name would probabily suspect, they are also zoroastrian theocrats. During the early years they were the ruling party, they invaded India and encouraged population from Iran to expand into there to use the rich zones for agriculture.
Social-Democrat party:
A democratic party, it's a party that demands that the shah is overthrown and replaced by a democratic nation. It encourages welfare.
Monarchist party:
A more monarchist party, it demands that the current elective goverment is replaced by a hereditary monarchy.
People's party:
A communist party, it's a party that disagrees with the shah and demands that a communist dictatorship replaces the shah's governance.
Party of India:
A separist party, they want to secede from the kingdom and form their own indian nation.

Religion:
During the early years the land was shaken with ultra-nationalism, which replaced Shi'a Islam with zoroastrism. Although the things calmed down by now, Zoroastrism became a powerful religion.
Zoroastrism: 29%
Hinduism: 17%
Shi'a Islam: 14%
Sunni Islam: 10%
Christianity: 10%
Atheism: 9%
Agnosticism: 6%
Other: 5%

Military:
The military is mostly composed of levies with a small permanent army. This is because the military is disorganized.

Claims:

Kinkaz said:

Name: Indo-Persian Kingdom

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the Roman Empire recognizes the potentially powerful indo-persian kingdom.

Should any pirates enter Volgan territory, they will be immediately arrested, then tried, and if found guilty, hanged.

Current Leader: The Fourth Lord Prophet Jeremiah
Government/Religion: Hereditary theocracy. The Lord Prophet is both the unelected head of the government and the unelected head of the True and Righteous Church. When the previous Lord Prophet passes away, the eldest child (usually the son) succeeds them. Upon succession, the new Lord Prophet takes a new name from Scripture, and are given an epithet. The Lord Prophet holds his position for life.

All secular and religious authority is invested in the Lord Prophet. As the representative of God on Earth, the Lord Prophet's word is considered to be second only to the Word of Christ. Any decision passed down from the Living Throne is law absolute. To aid in the administration of the United Kingdom of God, the Lord Prophet appoints lord presbyters to oversee parts of the kingdom. Lord presbyters are entrusted with the authority to mediate conflicts and enforce the law of the Living Throne within their regions; ultimately, they report to the Lord Prophet directly, and may have any of their own decisions overruled.

The True and Righteous Church is an millennialist offshoot of the Christian faith. While the Church retains certain Christian beliefs such as Trinitarianism and the validity of Scripture, it diverges from mainstream Christianity in several ways. The True and Righteous Church believes that through their decadence and corruption, mankind had fallen from favor with the Lord God. He has revoked His promise to mankind, and is preparing to return in glory, to judge both the living and the dead. To return to the Lord's favor, man must embrace the Lord Prophets' teachings and the Tenets of True Faith, as they are listed below;

1. There is but one God, Almighty and Eternal, Triune in nature, as established in the Holy Scripture.
2. The Lord God has established a new covenant with the First Lord Prophet Joshua Nsengiyumva. The First Lord Prophet and all his lineage have been blessed and chosen by the Lord God to be His representatives upon the Earth. Their will is the will of God.
3. It is through submission to the teachings of the First Lord Prophet that mankind can once again attain the salvation they have forfeited.
4. The Lord Jesus Christ is coming again, to establish a Heavenly Kingdom upon the Earth. He will judge the living and the dead.
5. A new Eden is to be established upon the Earth, to prepare for the Coming of the Lord.

The True and Righteous Church is the official state religion, and is actively endorsed by the Lord Prophet. Approximately 87.6% of the United Kingdom of God's population follows this faith. Other christian denominations are not actively suppressed, so long as they do not openly opposed the UKG. However, non-members of the True and Righteous Church do not have access to certain programs or benefits, making conversion a tempting prospect. This holds doubly true for Jews and Muslims, who face certain restrictions. Non-Abrahamic faiths are actively suppressed and converted.

Military: The Lord and Prophet is the commander-in-chief to the armed forces of the United Kingdom of God, known as the Host of the Lord Prophet. The Host is comprised of mainly land forces, as the navy is non-existent and the air forces are too small to constitute an independent branch. The Host is mainly a standing army, though in times of national emergency, conscription is used to bolster the ranks.

The Host of the Lord Prophet is divided into three "camps"; the Sons of Joshua, the Sons of Nehemiah, and the Sons of Paul.
-The Sons of Joshua are the soldiers and support personnel of the Host. Their sole purpose is to defend the United Kingdom of God, expand its borders, and prosecute its enemies abroad.
-The Sons of Nehemiah are the builders, engineers, and technicians of the Host. Where the Sons of Joshua go, they follow, establishing supply depots, communications arrays, and other military installations. In addition, the Sons of Nehemiah are tasked with the prestigious duty of rebuilding the world. Farms, water supplies, roads, mines, and other key infrastructure are being rebuilt constantly in newly liberated areas.
-The Sons of Paul are the preaches, teachers, and healers of the Host. There duty is one of great importance; bringing the True Faith to the lost and destitute. Through guidance and through healing (both physical and spiritual), the Sons of Paul seek to bring all into the fold of the True and Righteous Church.

Society: The society of the United Kingdom of God has undergone a massive reorganization, so to conform with the First Lord Prophets teachings. The simplest way to describe it is as an semi-egalitarian (for members of the TRC), collectivist society.

Much of the nation's economy is controlled by the central government. While a degree of autonomy exists on the local level, resources can and have been appropriated by the Living Throne to serve whatever purposes it requires. Most major industries (mining, manufacturing, energy, ect...) are either mostly or completely controlled by and operated by the government. Much of the nation's resources have been devoted to the rebuilding of civilization and the expansion of infrastructure lost during the Scourge (the nuclear war and its aftermath).

The most drastic change has been in the structure of the various ethnics groups in the region. The First Lord Prophet preached that the path to salvation necessitated a return to ways before Babel, when mankind was united as one. Divided, he believed that the agents of evil and the Decadent Powers held sway over man, corrupting and deceiving them. Taking this teaching to heart, the Third Lord Prophet Solomon Ndengeyingoma set out to erase the ties that had brought about so much conflict over the ages. He issued an edict declaring that family units, particularly those displaced by conflict, were to abandon all ties, save for those to the Lord Prophet, the TRC, and immediate family, and relocate to a new location, where new homes and jobs would be provided to them. Despite initial resistance that threatened to boil over into full revolt, the plan was eventually able to realign a significant portion of the population with this ideology.

Starting Claims:

Omega124 said:

Women's Republic of France

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I've been meaning to ask; out of scholarly curiosity, what's the origin of your feminist trend?

Robert Can't said:

To confirm some issues that have cropped up: Initial claims are always 8 independent of size. I will upload a map tomorrow showing which provinces are more expensive.
In regards to Ailed's nation switch I have this to say:
It appears to me to be somewhat a ragequit which is generally not seen as that reprehensible however I feel that a ragequit on the first turn only to start as a new nation on the same turn and demand that your old nation remains as an NPC is slightly in breach of the etiquette that governs these games. How Ailed thought that creating a pirate nation would not ruffle some feathers I do not see but still I maintain that Sonereal's DOW should hold.
I have thus decided to ask you what you think should be done about this. Should we let Ailed relocate (it is after all only the first turn) or should we not? (Upon reading the IOT forum rules I don't think the second option would be a breach of them as no one is being denied the right to play)

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Could you have not set me this in a PM? That way we could have had a civil talk (like, for instance, a quite note) instead of simply posting it openly. I have not even made the case of nation switch myself and the things was less malice towards Sone but rather not wishing to let those flags go to waste.

Anyway: you have just proven to not be able to trust to private talks, which is bad for a GM. Still you can learn to know when to make things open and learn to sent private messages to ensure you will be trusted to not spill the juice before it is debated upon.

Anyway: here was the PM since RC was "considering" enough to spill it.

Ailedhoo said:

Yes: I am considering changing my mind in nation. Yes Sone's reaction is partly to blame. No: it is not boring being a pirate, although I am thinking the other options.

If I do change however will the pirates keep in presence? I have a feeling you might enjoy using the pirates for... "reminding the kiddies to eat their vegetables" as to say. They could at the least be NPCs; they could also however be a faction that ensures players have to keep their trade routes guarded less the Cuban Krakens start to entangle shipping.

If I do change I will likely take either the Socialist Union of Democratic States or try to fill out any area not covered by players. I especially could make tribute to the pirate thing by evoking Barbarossa: have a pirate found his or her own nation.

...and yes I am evoking the pirate thing for RP bonuses. Its my major modern general strategy.


Link to video.

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Note it was a suggestion, not a demand and the pirate mechanic idea was just... fun but it was in the end something that a no could have been delivered by a PM instead of shooting ones ability to be trusted in the foot.

Anyway: to call changing a nation in response to war threats as "rage quitting," especially with war threats, is a matter of fallacy indeed.

As for putting my relocation to vote; is that really GMship or another mishap?

And Sone: stop putting words into my month. If your so keen to attack a kingdom that may not attack (as they have indeed offered to not hurt your shipping) you then go ahead.

Thorvald of Lym said:

I've been meaning to ask; out of scholarly curiosity, what's the origin of your feminist trend?

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Matriarchy be the Republic, not feminist.

Celticfury said:

Claiming this for the United Kingdom of God.

Spoiler :

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New Rhodesia hopes for good relations with the UKG.

The Platonic Republic



Claims



What is the Platonic Republic?

Government: Platonic Republic; a class based structure of power, set in lines with Plato's Republic.

Society: Plato Classed System, with the Philosophers and Guardians (blues) at top, followed by the Soldiers (greens) and finally the Commoners (reds). They are set in note to virtues, with all 3 working in harmony creating justice. Hence:



Founders: Andreas Hatzis, Eleni Agne, Olympia Zeno, Oussama Mihayshi, Theophylaktos Rodia, Yorgos Verga and Zied Al Borki.

History: The Platonic Republic hails its foundation date as 2087; formed from the modernist neo period of Greek city states that emerged after the fall of Greece in 2049 to civil war, invasion from the Serbian-Macedonian Empire, the Greatest Debt Crisis of 2045 and the decline in the pottery industry which in turn hindered plate production. 2087 though came not easily.

Inspired by the teachings of Plato Andreas Hatzis and Olympia Zeno


Currently Important Figures:

Takis Papadakis: the chief representative


Theodosia Varga: chief representative of the Warrior Caste.

Andreas Xanthopoulos: chief representative of the Commoner Caste.

Under construction!