Yes, city #2 should definitely provide short-term benefit. Not having tested WestSugar, I can't be sure, but it appears that both Dhoom and LC were stating that the two locations for city #2 were very close in the short term. No matter, both city sites are good and we can do well with either one. I'm happy that the game is moving again! :good job:
Regarding Asoka, he's too close not to be our first target so I agree that we shouldn't be overly concerned about making him Friendly.
I will be updating this post over the next hour or so, and then will post again when I'm done. t16, 3360BC
We load up the game, with the settler acting mysteriously in the wilderness, and press "Enter".
IBT: We meet Tokugawa of Ethiopia. Looks like Asoka has the land of a pansy for a reason.
Asoka is the worst enemy of Tokugawa. t17, 3320BC
There is a prebuilt Grassland Mine SE of Ethiopian land. Toku looks like he has a heavily forested capital too. Late Megacity is founded east of the lake. Darned character limits. t18, 3280BC
Nothing much to report. The warrior finds some more stone and rice. t19, 3240BC
Toku has a bunch of dyes, and some saltwater to his west.
The warrior finishes; a Library is started. t20, 3200BC
We move our scout, and meet Alexander of Arabia. He is Taoist, but not the founder. He is Asoka's worst enemy. t21, 3160BC
Our scout finds some equatorial sea ice. Looks like shenanigans.
IBT:
Asoka founds Thessalonica somewhere. t22, 3120BC
Time to whip the Library. Goodbye citizens t23, 3080BC
Our scout finds Napoleon of the Ottoman Empire, except his land is maroon.
Toku and Alex finally meet each other, and the warmongers are mostly pleased with each other.
Two scientists are hired in Trumpster.
IBT: Christianity FIDL t24, 3040BC
Nothing much to report. Asoka is still the only AI we know with two cities.
IBT: Napoleon converts to Christianity t25, 3000BC
Our exploring warrior runs into a wolf.
LM whips its Granary.
IBT: Alexander founds Medina in a distant land.
I'd assume we'll get human barbs from here on out. t26, 2960BC
Save and upload. Screenshots coming soon.
Spoilerupload log :
Here is your Session Turn Log from 3360 BC to 2960 BC:
Turn 17, 3320 BC: Late Megacity has been founded.
Turn 18, 3280 BC: You have discovered Priesthood!
Turn 23, 3080 BC: Christianity has been founded in a distant land!
Turn 24, 3040 BC: Trumpster can hurry Axeman for 1⇴ with 28ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 25 turns.
Turn 24, 3040 BC: Late Megacity has grown to size 2.
Turn 24, 3040 BC: Will Sign Open Borders: Napoleon
Turn 24, 3040 BC: Napoleon converts to Christianity!
Turn 25, 3000 BC: Trumpster will become unhappy on the next turn.
Turn 25, 3000 BC: Late Megacity can hurry Granary for 1⇴ with 7ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 25, 3000 BC: Alexander has founded Medina in a distant land.
Turn 25, 3000 BC: Barbarian's Wolf (1.00) vs Trumpster's Warrior (2.10)
Turn 25, 3000 BC: Combat Odds: 0.7%
Turn 25, 3000 BC: (Animal Combat: +5%)
Turn 25, 3000 BC: Barbarian's Wolf is hit for 28 (72/100HP)
Turn 25, 3000 BC: Trumpster's Warrior is hit for 13 (87/100HP)
Turn 25, 3000 BC: Barbarian's Wolf is hit for 28 (44/100HP)
Turn 25, 3000 BC: Trumpster's Warrior is hit for 13 (74/100HP)
Turn 25, 3000 BC: Barbarian's Wolf is hit for 28 (16/100HP)
Turn 25, 3000 BC: Barbarian's Wolf is hit for 28 (0/100HP)
Turn 25, 3000 BC: Trumpster's Warrior has defeated Barbarian's Wolf!
Turn 25, 3000 BC: While defending, your Warrior has killed a Barbarian Wolf!
Turn 26, 2960 BC: Trumpster will become unhappy on the next turn.
I've played out to turn 26, and uploaded. The Granary in Late Megacity is complete; we need to decide what to build there next.
The axeman is due in 1 turn - we will grow and build a food-unit unhappy for a couple of turns.
We met a load of warmongers.
I'll find some useful screenshots to attach to this post.
We now have a few decisions to make.
The biggest one is how we're going to handle these AI.
My initial preference is to try and get a dogpile on Asoka, and then they'll all behave like puppies for us.
We will want to capture Aksum before our research is done - that place has a ton of commerce.
I can play a few more turns tomorrow night, but if people think this is the right time for discussion (e.g. of diplo, how we're going to continue after city 3, etc.) then I can also hand it off.
Awww, crap. It would be nice if we had a Worker to build a Road between the two of them (or, better, had a City to gift to Toku, so that he'd build a Road toward the City [and thus to Asoka]) to let him get Buddhism, so that we won't keep pissing off Toku by having Open Borders with Asoka.
I suppose that Toku might be a good candidate for gifting Wheat City for a while, so that he does just that.
ZPV said:
There is a prebuilt Grassland Mine SE of Ethiopian land.
So, we can expect AIs to start with Iron, I suppose. Do we want to prioritize the Horse location and get out some Pillaging Chariots to Pillage any such Resources?
Then, maybe it's a good time to stop. Can you provide an up-to-date test game? Also, can you provide info on what you think that the decisions (both micro and big-picture) going forward are going to be?
Even if we don't choose an aggressive approach (i.e. we choose not to steal a Worker), we really should be building our first Military Unit out of City 2, as Trumpster hugely benefits from its Monument.
Are there still enough Hammers to get a Monument in City 1? That was the KEY detail that I was hoping to see in the finalized PPP. It is easy to get a Military Unit out of City 2 regardless of which micro path we proceeded with, but getting a Monument in City 1 was the biggie, even if it means now parking some Hammers in an Axeman that will get completed later.
I'm not even sure which plan we proceeded with and the Turnset Report doesn't mention any micro details, so I'm not even sure if we followed said plan. For example, did we build a Worker instead of a Settler? I feel totally blind as to the current micro situation.
Awww, crap. It would be nice if we had a Worker to build a Road between the two of them (or, better, had a City to gift to Toku, so that he'd build a Road toward the City [and thus to Asoka]) to let him get Buddhism, so that we won't keep pissing off Toku by having Open Borders with Asoka.
I suppose that Toku might be a good candidate for gifting Wheat City for a while, so that he does just that.
Wheat city is an excellent city, and I do not wish for us to give it away for a single turn once we settle it. A crappy ice city would fit the bill much better.
Toku's capital has so much midgame commerce that I don't foresee us investing too much in relations with him. I had a peek to see if a worker steal was on, but it was escorted by an archer.
It is not just Toku that hates Asoka. Everyone else that meets him (of the AIs we know) will as well.
The biggest question is what we are going to do with these AI. How much trading can we get from them? Who should we butter up, who should we kill right away, and how are we going to do it. I think that is what will decide the laurels.
That is also the only reason I didn't OB with Napoleon and Alex right away. I think I regret that decision already (since I think we should side with them, against Asoka), but it has not been too many turns that we've lost of relations boosting.
I do not wish to let Toku live as long as Gunpowder, and frankly I want his capital as a commerce city long before then.
Micro decisions: what will City 2 build while it grows? (It's too early to put hammers into an axeman - they will decay long before we get a second whip)
Do we want to put the settler into City 2, and build a worker in Trumpster? (My assumption is yes.)
How many workers can I persuade the team to build?
Where are our settlers, workers and units going to come from?
Are there still enough Hammers to get a Monument in City 1? That was the KEY detail that I was hoping to see in the finalized PPP. It is easy to get a Military Unit out of City 2 regardless of which micro path we proceeded with, but getting a Monument in City 1 was the biggie, even if it means now parking some Hammers in an Axeman that will get completed later.
There are 34 hammers in an Axeman. There are no hammers in a Monument. There are no hammers in a worker/settler.
City 2 can (and IMO should) provide us the Settler, but that means the choice is between a worker and a monument first in Trumpster.
I'm not even sure which plan we proceeded with and the Turnset Report doesn't mention any micro details, so I'm not even sure if we followed said plan. For example, did we build a Worker instead of a Settler? I feel totally blind as to the current micro situation.
We have not started on a worker or settler yet. I followed my last posted plan to the letter, which was to grow to size 5 first, and only then start building the worker/settler (since the unhappy citizen automatically puts 2 food/turn into it, it costs us nothing to grow first, and this was the convenient time to steal the corn from E-Lake).
Okay, some thoughts:
- We've committed ourselves on micro... I see no easy way to change a whole lot with the Worker so far out of position (we're forced into Quarrying) and with the Hammers invested in an Axeman
- I am very disappointed that we're growing into Unhappiness when we didn't have to, but that's what we've committed to, so I don't see a way around it
- I have no clue why we would go Axeman -> Monument in Trumpster. It makes no sense, given the growth into Unhappiness. We have committed to slow-building a Worker or Settler from there. The ONLY choice remaining is which one Trumpster slow-builds and which one City 2 whips
- I would like to see an updated PPP before play continues, though, so that we're all clear on what's happening
- Rice City can get us Foreign Trade Routes with Asoka and Buddhism, and if that's why we settled East Lake (it seems to be one of the decision criteria), we should seriously consider settling there next
- What are we going to do about a Military Police unit for City 2? Perhaps we should be dumping Hammers into an Archer instead of into a Library?
Q: close borders before they demand it? I think yes.
Q: Archer or Library in ELake? I think library
Then the game pretty much plays itself until T35
Plan A:
Trumpster:
T35: goldcity settler moves, build something to grow on and whip 1
ELake:
grow on library or archer:
T33: At size 4, (one angry) start worker
T34: whip worker
T35 worker moves, finish Archer (1) or continue library
Worker:
5 turns on quarry
move
1 turn corn-road
FP cottage
(beyond T35, finish corn road when needed, and grass cottage) At this point Trumpster is done with the GS and needs tiles to work.
Civil Service is coming faster than one might think.
One option is we keep running 2 sci in Trumpter until T73 We will time CS and Philo both then. T73 start Nationalism
T?? Const
Plan B: We assume we can get the Great Lib in ELake around T65-70 to make the final push for the GS. ELake focuses on Library, GS right after finishing worker archer (T35). Worst case, even without TGL, ELake can still probably get a GS ~T76. If we want to improve on that, then we skip the Archer right now and go straight for Library.
This frees up Trumpster and WheatSheep to build barracks, army.
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