Sons of Mars (Redux)

Andalusia accepts the treaty proposed by the Ironquis

Jehoshua said:

The papacy notes that it does not constitute submission to the whims of a temporal ruler, who willingly subjugates himself to heathens. The Holy See is doing, in accordance with the principles of Christian solidarity, what it sees as right in order to ensure the protection of the faithful from the malignant forces of diabolical heresy that even now seek to blot out the teachings of Christ and replace them with their own detestable doctrines, to the great loss of souls.

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I'm not sure, but there is something wrong with failing to even tolerate people with differences... aren't you Catholics supposed to celebrate differences, not eliminate them?

we have a tip for the Pope: accept all groups of Christianity as Christian, not heretics, like we are doing. doing so will lessen the papal infamy.

Mathalamus said:

I'm not sure, but there is something wrong with failing to even tolerate people with differences... aren't you Catholics supposed to celebrate differences, not eliminate them?

we have a tip for the Pope: accept all groups of Christianity as Christian, not heretics, like we are doing. doing so will lessen the papal infamy.

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ooc: 21st century liberalism translated into the 16th century, got to love it!

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IC: The abominable error of your detestable utterances shows you to be apostate, and in utmost rebellion against the teachings of the Lord and his apostles who say...

Titus 3:10-11: As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him. Knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned

2 John 1:10: If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting

Matthew 18:15-17: “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.

Luke 17:3: Pay attention to yourselves! If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him,

Revelation 3:19: Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline, so be zealous and repent.

Jehoshua said:

IC: The abominable error of your detestable utterances shows you to be apostate, and in utmost rebellion against the teachings of the Lord and his apostles who say...

Titus 3:10-11: As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him. Knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned

2 John 1:10: If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting

Luke 17:3: Pay attention to yourselves! If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him,

Revelation 3:19: Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline, so be zealous and repent.

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these are all taken out of the wider context. how do i know that by including the wider context, the meaning would still be the same? disregarded. i would expect better of the Pope than to just quote sentences without context of the sentence before, or after, or even the whole paragraph.

(OOC: these are basically just sentences or paragraphs. they both belong to the larger whole, and thus could completely change its meaning.)

lets stop arguing here before we both do something we regret.

The Ottoman Empire concurs. What most of Europe does is, at present, not a concern of the Sultanate or its clients. Should we ignore this rift in Christianity, hopefully those to the West shall similarly ignore the rift in Islam. Even if said rift is nowhere near as severe as what the West is currently suffering.

Cueva has become a client state of the Inca.

It is outrageous that you dismiss the clear and unambiguous teaching of sacred scripture, and even the words of Our Lord, as mere "sentences". Your statements merely show that you have replaced with mortal opinion and mohammedan deceitfulness (Taqqiya) the truths of Our Lord in your mind.

With the power invested in me by God, Hedgehog, and Pony, I hereby lock orders.

I offer my greatest apologies in that this week has been particularly hectic for me.

But that's no excuse, so sorry.

Worry not! Since it was the first turn, those who didn't send in orders were still able to expand, which is the key detail. All money was banked for the turn.

Boundary Dispute

Mali and Songhai's rivalry has escalated, with both laying claim to the coastline west of Guyana.

I totally called dibs in thread.

Also I'm pretty sure we were rivals before now only because you kept saying we were rivals.

Well, given your connected history... Can't imagine the name "Mali" goes over well with the folks who actually live IN Mali.

Nah, Mali would be more pissed about me kicking them out pregame than Songhai folks giving a crap about a nation that they annexed. How long ago are we saying that was?

I gave absentees last turn the benefit of a doubt and so expanded them. Those who were absent last turn and who don’t submit orders this turn will be dissolved so as to keep things tidy.

Your vault is how much money you have left over from last turn, if applicable. Fractional investment in technologies is not possible, so any attempts at such were refunded to your vault.

==Update I: 1551==

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While there had only been light tensions between Mali and Songhai in the past over nomenclature, those tensions have escalated over the Guyanese coast, which both powers have laid claim to. With numerous powers across the continent arrayed to support one side or the other, open war would be devastating for South America.

The Ottoman Empire has demonstrated its usual religious pragmatism by swearing to protect the Orthodox Patriarch of Cyprus in exchange for a regular fee. The Catholic West has condemned the move, much like how Catholic France’s alliance with the Turks in the past caused much uproar. Such an uproar is not entirely unjustified for non-religious reasons, as well: the Turks have become the world’s largest economy.

The Reformation’s tensions had been simmering for some time, but they have finally begun to boil over. The Papal States has spearheaded an effort to unite the Catholic powers of Europe, having either gained the fealty or alliance of Aragon, Sicily, Venice, Austria, Bosnia, and Bavaria. With less-than-flattering remarks about Calvinists, Lutherans, and Dauphinois Christians, the Palatinate has spearheaded an effort to ensure peace among non-Catholic factions in Europe to great success, though it may be some time before any formal alliances are made in the north. With Catholics reigning over Scotland and Ireland, it is clear that any religious war in Europe would be widespread.

The map is not working.

The League continues to ensure peaceful unity by its claims.

Coming up fine on my end!

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How come my civic spending wasn't accepted?

...oh. My bad. I didn't even notice how low your Civics tech was. Fixed.

New income is 184 instead of 181.

it seems we made the right choice, accepting the Ottomans protection.