SGOTM 19 - The Shawshank Redemption

WastinTime · Apr 29, 2014

I think we should get HC into war w/ Asoka so we can have OB. It costs us nothing, so why not? There is a good chance we will give him KK's ice cities and we want to be able to move around.

Goes without saying, but be sure and get HC's gold too.

Same for Asoka when we CF, get his gold. Get him CoL, aes, and Math.

Dhoomstriker · Apr 29, 2014

I'm in favour of:
- Huayna into Caste System + War against Asoka

I am okay with keeping Bursa if we don't shrink the City and plan to get an Executive out of it... but, remember that every Executive that needs to come from Chops means putting more strain on our Worker forces. So, I'd also be quite fine with gifting Bursa to Asoka.

ZPV said:
Asoka: CF this turn to save our stricken musket, or next turn to mop up his archer, or much later?

Already commented:

Dhoomstriker said:
One of our Razed New Cnip Muskets should either guard the dude who razed the City or kill off Asoka's nearby Archer.

Specifically, Cease Firing to save our Musket would would be the wrong reason to Cease Fire with Asoka, since we have other ways to deal with Asoka's Archer.

I'm happy to use another reason to Cease Fire with Asoka after bribing Huayna against Asoka, such as gifting Bursa to Asoka this turn after the Cease Fire.

Dhoomstriker · Apr 29, 2014

WastinTime said:
Same for Asoka when we CF, get his gold. Get him CoL, aes, and Math.

Just to be 100% clear, so that we don't mess up (I know we all know it, just saying): do not get his Gold at the same time as Cease Firing. Cease Fire first. Then trade after that point. Obvious, yes. Still worth stating based on the above wording.

LowtherCastle · Apr 29, 2014

So we can also keep Santiago and starve it down to pop1, right? I don't care if not, but that seems useful for our research.

Now, I do have a concern with Alex. HC can bribe him against us. HC plays before Alex. Does it matter that ALex has his hands full? Does that stop HC ffrom bribing him? I believe that with HC DoWed on Asoka makes it more attractive for Alex to DoW Asoka. It also gives HC two choices if he can bribe Alex to war. In any case, I think I like including the bribe of HC on Asoka as part of the deal. Being able to repeatedly get OBs with Asoka (gift city, DoW, raze city, wait 2t, CF, OB, rinse and repeat) is a nice benefit that could easily pay off for unforeseen reasons.

I thought one or two of our muskets still had movement points to protect against Asoka's archer, but I haven't studied the HPs since Dhoom mentioned it.

MM detail, but it's worth it to build culture with hammers into another build whenever borders can pop. Lali, Bursa, et cetera.

WastinTime · Apr 29, 2014

LowtherCastle said:
MM detail, but it's worth it to build culture with hammers into another build whenever borders can pop. Lali, Bursa, et cetera.

technically... that's only true if you have something to build (not wealth), which those 2 cities do.

I'd love to advance the game to Steam, but I'm not entirely sure about the pre-builds. I would have done it 24 hours ago if I'd known we'd still be sitting here. I could just put a couple hammers into an explorer in places I think will need it. Either 9 hammers, or 2 hammers (with forge)

WastinTime · Apr 29, 2014

I thought we had some complex city gifts and diplo trades to do, but most have gone away and it's boiled down to:

HC;
PPress: Caste, gold, DoW Asoka
We DoW HC.

Asoka: no CF yet.

no city gifts.

Mitchum · Apr 29, 2014

Sounds good if you want to play, WT (or Dhoom). We do need to get Stream and locate coal do we can do detailed planning...

WastinTime · Apr 29, 2014

ZPV said he'd be back in about 3 hours for so (from now), so I will wait impatiently. :coffee:

ZPV · Apr 30, 2014

ok, everyone. Here we go.
I'm playing a couple turns.

ZPV · Apr 30, 2014

Well that's a bummer. I misclicked our knight and settler.
They are now Alex's knight and settler.

I'll get us another settler from Istanbul, I guess.

Spoiler upload log, part 1 :

ZPV · Apr 30, 2014

Turnset report, t145-147

t145
As in the above post, I'm feeling very generous.
We bribe HC to Caste + war with Asoka + 90 gold with Printing Press.
Then we immediately backstab him.
We fail to capture Cordoba, leaving one redlined unit.
We pounce on HC's great merchant.

IBT: KK attacks with only his catapults. Easy cleanup for us.
HC moves around a bit. There are now 4 units in Vienna.

t146
We capture Vienna

t147
We have coal. Alex has 2 coal. Florence has coal.
Uploading...
Autolog to be posted later.

Spoiler upload log, part 2 :

Jastrow · Apr 30, 2014

Does this gift impose any peace treaty (as a tech gift for example, would)?

ZPV · Apr 30, 2014

Jastrow said:
Does this gift impose any peace treaty (as a tech gift for example, would)?

No treaty. Tech gifts don't either (it's just begging/extorting that causes a treaty).

Jastrow · Apr 30, 2014

Great! (I am very surprised gifting a tech is not a treaty, btw. I always thought it was.)

Replacing the settler is certainly not a big deal.

WastinTime · Apr 30, 2014

Good work ZPV. If you're done for a while, I'm thinking of taking the save and just re-MM everything for merchants so I can see where we stand with money. ~~The plan is to get 1000 gold so we can buy 2 execs T148 and T149. Should be doable.~~
No sense buying 2 exec in a row. Our boats need to be re-aligned.

We need to kill that KK scout. It is currently blocking our fort network. Our boat needs to get into position next turn.

ZPV · Apr 30, 2014

Yes, I'm done. Now we need to check the exec plan, etc.
It looks like war is the critical path.

WastinTime · Apr 30, 2014

ZPV said:
It looks like war is the critical path.

Maybe the first decision then needs to be: USuff/Slavery this turn or next turn?
I don't think Caste provides that much money, if you think you can put slavery to use to give our war a boost, maybe we do that sooner.

WastinTime · Apr 30, 2014

I re-read you old exec plan. I'm sure you'll post a new one, but I wanted to point out that I envisioned N.W. gets 2 execs and I think one was missing from the old plan.
There are some options there if N.W. can't manage two.

ZPV · Apr 30, 2014

Yes, I'll post a new one. My replacement was to chop one at fg.

WastinTime · Apr 30, 2014

Got it.
I'll just do some reversible MM stuff and extremely obvious things like netting whales.

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