America: Write Your Own History

It's the second time adhiraj gets this, the previous was in page 12 of this thread.

BTW, to make things clear, go to my page http://forums.civfanatics.com/member.php?u=129487 and look the second last post of RT to me, and there you'll see he says you don't have to bold to count your vote
 
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I literally did a "Yay" and shook my fist :D . Finally the USSA ! woah ... so after waging endless and pointless wars against Communist nations, and killing hundreds of thousands in Russia and Finland and elsewhere, the Capitalist behemoth that is the USA will see a Socialist president ! .... wow :D ..

But first things first, we need a clean end to this war with Britain.
 
I literally did a "Yay" and shook my fist :D . Finally the USSA ! woah ... so after waging endless and pointless wars against Communist nations, and killing hundreds of thousands in Russia and Finland and elsewhere, the Capitalist behemoth that is the USA will see a Socialist president ! .... wow :D ..

But first things first, we need a clean end to this war with Britain.

Sounds good, citizen.
 
I literally did a "Yay" and shook my fist :D . Finally the USSA ! woah ... so after waging endless and pointless wars against Communist nations, and killing hundreds of thousands in Russia and Finland and elsewhere, the Capitalist behemoth that is the USA will see a Socialist president ! .... wow :D ..

But first things first, we need a clean end to this war with Britain.

I second this entire post, only I gave out more of a "Yeah" than a "Yay".
 
Comrades, this is going to be interesting! After all the trade made for convert nations to democracy, we became communists!
 
No!!!!!! I think that the biases of the voters make it very hard to realistically portray what would happen in this situation. IRL I am very liberal, but in these circumstances, I don't agree with socialism. What are Debs' thoughts on socialism? Is he a rabid communist who will make the USSA, or does he just believe in strong market intervention and more government power? If it's the latter, then I'm fine, but otherwise...
 
No!!!!!! I think that the biases of the voters make it very hard to realistically portray what would happen in this situation. IRL I am very liberal, but in these circumstances, I don't agree with socialism. What are Debs' thoughts on socialism? Is he a rabid communist who will make the USSA, or does he just believe in strong market intervention and more government power? If it's the latter, then I'm fine, but otherwise...

Otherwise he will face the american conservatives and traditionalists with guns pointed at his head, probably. You remember what they did to Lockwood's women suffrage, now communism...

I think debs will be soft in his "socialism", if not a total frustration to the group of socialist voters
 
At this point let me describe what I imagine it might happen in this alternative story of USA.

Debs must do a civic change, that's what the electors decided. Debs will absolutely go for USSRA. However, history has seen the example of USSR, and people would like to see a better version of communsim.

Since Debs managed to win the elections he can bring communism without adopting totalitarianism. I don't remember if the current organisation civic is representation or egalitarianism. Debs would certainly want to change it to egalitarianism, but he would avoid it to do so, because he has the support of the Congress and want to find a mediate solution.

The civil war spawned at changing from slavery to capitalism. Now the spawning of a second civil war seems pretty logical to me.

I think that the split this time will be as follows:

Some states, mainly the richer ones, with the leadership of New York will try to split themselves under the name USA. Since Debs will rename USA, the name will be free to be adopted by "Capitalists".

The other states will be loyal to Wasington government and Debs.

I think that the associated civics will be Public Egalitarianism/Welfare/Central Planning against Represantation/Capitalism/Free Market.

The interesting point here is that Debs must modify the constitution. Different name, changing the article of private property. It is a completely different constitution, so a large portion of the people will react to this change.

A mediate solution would be that Debs would adopt only Public Welfare to construct a system similar to modern Europe, but I would like to see more leftism in his politics. :lol:
 
At this point let me describe what I imagine it might happen in this alternative story of USA.

Debs must do a civic change, that's what the electors decided. Debs will absolutely go for USSRA. However, history has seen the example of USSR, and people would like to see a better version of communsim.

Since Debs managed to win the elections he can bring communism without adopting totalitarianism. I don't remember if the current organisation civic is representation or egalitarianism. Debs would certainly want to change it to egalitarianism, but he would avoid it to do so, because he has the support of the Congress and want to find a mediate solution.

The civil war spawned at changing from slavery to capitalism. Now the spawning of a second civil war seems pretty logical to me.

I think that the split this time will be as follows:

Some states, mainly the richer ones, with the leadership of New York will try to split themselves under the name USA. Since Debs will rename USA, the name will be free to be adopted by "Capitalists".

The other states will be loyal to Wasington government and Debs.

I think that the associated civics will be Public Egalitarianism/Welfare/Central Planning against Represantation/Capitalism/Free Market.

The interesting point here is that Debs must modify the constitution. Different name, changing the article of private property. It is a completely different constitution, so a large portion of the people will react to this change.

A mediate solution would be that Debs would adopt only Public Welfare to construct a system similar to modern Europe, but I would like to see more leftism in his politics. :lol:

Let's see some chaos here! :mwaha:
 
i think a full blown revolution will have to happen for him to stay in power
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Well hey guess what you're all wrong. Socialism isn't communism. Just because he enacts some socialist, anti-capitalist policies and changes the civic doesn't mean the United States becomes the Socialist United States. It is still free market, not state property. Eugene dislikes autocracy and state property just as much as the next guy.
 
So true, so true.
 
Lolwat but it can't be socialism without state property.
 
Lolwat but it can't be socialism without state property.

Yes, it can. Look at Europe. Not to mention, -yes I can-, because I did. And the game lets me. Communists appear around the 30s
 
1904-1908: The Socialist Revolution

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Eugene V. Debs gave an elaborate speech at inauguration. He was charismatic and eloquent. Filling his speech with rich, Christian metaphors and messages of the universal brotherhood of man, he vowed to fight against corruption, greed, violence, and poverty. His first step was to enact dozens of socialist programs, including extending benefits to veterans, the disabled, creating social security, and several other incentive programs to secure human rights and promote social mobility.
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President Debs then told top American scientists to stop research on rocketry and begin researching environmentalism and ecology. He stated that the state of pollution had reached a point where it was negatively affecting the population.
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Debs was the first president to regularly address the nation via television. After addressing the reasons why America had begun researching ecology, and giving information on how households can reduce pollution, he then traveled to Ireland to overlook the invasion of England. When Admiral George Dewey, the former president, refused to follow orders, Eugene Debs dismissed him and found a replacement for leading the troops. In July 1905, after fierce air combat between English fighters and American bombers, troops landed in Wales and marched for London.
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Eugene's leadership of the armies was praised; even reluctantly praised by his opponents. During his first term, not a single fleet nor army division was lost, and historians would state his leadership was the most efficient in American history.
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President Debs also greatly extended foreign aid and improved foreign relations. When the nation of Tibet asked for aid increasing their food output in the steep mountains, Eugene V. Debs personally flew out to Tibet with some officials and scientists to aid Tibet.
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Although he cut the budget for espionage and relocated it back to science, Debs greatly expanded the espionage network by expanding the authority of the FBI and Pentagon. Within a year of his declaration that ecology was being studied, the concept of recycling was engineered and quickly enforced throughout the States. Pollution began lowering in all corners of the nation.
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Boston was given a small budget to create a national gallery for American history. Debs hope was to increase American culture as a way to compete with older, European cities.
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By January 1906, after months of air bombing, blockade, and intense fighting, London was taken by American forces. Although the English offered their surrender, Debs declined and stated that America will not pay for the upkeep of corrupt politicians. The state of England nearing the end of January was bleak, with American forces landing in Scotland in addition to the large army stationed in London.
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In March of 1906, Debs began signing the independence of several American territories as promised during his campaign. Independence was granted to Jamaica, Haiti, the Dominican Republic, Trinidid, and the Bahamas. The French Pacific was given to Thailand in order to bolster their copper production, and finally the Congo was gifted to their native people.
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By July, York, Port Victoria (formerly Port Lockwood, and renamed Port Hedland in honor of the explorers and to stay politically neutral), Africa (with captured colonies being returned to Mali). By the end of that year, Alexandia, and Scotland had fallen as well. The taking of Scotland greatly shook the confidence of British colonies, with all but India declaring their independence. India, now the only "British" nation, seated King Edward in New Delhi and continued to fight.
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It is interesting to note the rise of other nations during this time. With two of the largest former empires dissolving (Russia and England), Italy, Greece, and Poland have been gaining the most from it. Italy can bee seen having taken Spain. Greece has gained Albania, conquered south Russia and annexed Tibet. Poland has annexed Ukraine.
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Nearing the end of his term, Debs proudly proclaimed to his nation that America was the first nation to send a man into space.
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Debs actively participated in the United Nations, and heroically led the motion to have a single, united currency to be used throughout the world. The dollar was now the official currency of the world, but conservatives fiercely despised this. No longer was America's money bearing former leaders or American patriotism, but WORLD heroes and scientists. Nevertheless, the economy boomed due to this.
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Argentina and America signed a peace treaty in July 1908. This coincided with America captured Perth; the city that seceded during Lockwood's third term.
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The last military operation that Debs personally took a part of was the invasion of Ceylon. Top military officials had stated that taking the island would make for a great base for leading an invasion of India, and finally finishing the British Empire.
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During his campaign, Debs made a point of allowing high transparency into the government. Debs presented over television government statistics such as the improving economy, and the improving stability. Stability, around -53 during the Dewey administration, had dropped to -30 and would continue to improve as he stated a lot of instability merely came from the war and the annexation of England. He predicted stability would reach -5 by the end of the war, and promised to further improve it by expanding the economy, enacting environmental bills, and improving diplomacy. He has also stated one of his goals for his second term would be increasing American culture, in order to gain the position of most cultured city in the world.
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Seeing that great term, I know who I will vote for.
 
Election of 1908: The American Renaissance

Socialist Party
Eugene V. Debs, Age 53, Current President. Famous for his eloquent oration. Improved the economy, stabilized the nation, increased socialist programs, lowered pollution, improved foreign relations, and has efficiently been winning the Edwardian War with little casualties. Wants to be re-elected to continue efficiently winning the Edwardian War, enact environmental measures (changing the free market civic to environmentalism), and enjoy a diplomatic world peace.
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Republican Party
Theodore Roosevelt, Age 50, Secretary of the Navy, Governor of New York, Republican political reformer, explorer, historian, and former Vice-President. Famously noted for his enthusiasm and integrity. Popular for fighting corruption and reforming the police in New York. Fought with a small group of cavalry in the Spanish-American War. Reformed the navy's production to allow for more efficient construction. As governor, held twice-daily conferences to be connected with the people. Opposes Deb's socialist policies, and wants to be elected to stop his war against free trade, stating it would hurt the economy and go against American values. Want to take advantage of stabilization of nation and colonize China and help Iran gain Pakistan.
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Charles Evans Hughes, Age 46, New York Governor. Opposes socialism, and wants the return of a free market, capitalist society. Anti-imperialist. After the Edwardian War, he wants to focus on the economy, diplomacy, and culture. Claims to be a part of the "British Liberalist" movement, having been a professor in the 1890s.
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Robert M. La Follette, Age 53, Wisconsin Representative, Senator, and Governor. States to be progressive, wanting to lessen the influence of corporations, opposes wars, and opposes the United Nations. Want to end the war with England and enact isolationist policies. Supports Deb's attempts to enact environmentalist policies. However, he opposes the large socialist policies and wishes a return to capitalism to allow for conservative economic stimulus and social mobility.
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Democratic Party
William Jennings Bryan, Age 48, Nebraska Representative and Political Orator. Renown for his charisma. Champions the Progressive Movement, and supports the Socialist policies. Wants an immediate peace treaty signed with Britain. Against evolution being taught in schools, stating it is "just a theory". Wants to focus on American stability, culture, and diplomacy. Despises elitists, and states the Republican Party is a party by the rich for the rich.
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Populist Party
Thomas E. Watson, Age 52, Georgia Representative. Fights for farmer rights, and opposes the expansion of cities and towns. States that if towns were replaced with farms, it would reduce instability, increase the economy, increase life quality, and improve the environment. As an anti-catholic and anti-foreigner, he supports the re-founding of the Ku Klux Klan and supports spreading protestantism to American territories.
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Campaign News:
Debs wins re-election!
After a high popularity during his first, Debs was re-elected with 78.9% popular vote. The Republicans trailed behind capturing most of the opposition, with the Democrats and the Populists gaining only 1%.

Ballot:
Socialist Party 14.2
•Debs 14.2

Republican Party 3.6
•Roosevelt 2.2
•Hughes 1.2
•La Follette 0.2

Democratic Party 0.2
•Bryan 0.2

Populist Party 0.2
•Watson 0.2
(Fractions are due to splitting up of vote by voting abstain)
 
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