How could the current crisis in Gaza be settled peacefully?
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~Corsair#01~
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The permanent ghetto-ization of the Palestinians is acceptable to a certain section of public opinion in the USA and to a lesser extent the rest of the world. But the number of people who hold that viewpoint diminishes with every passing day.
Your viewpoint, that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict can be dealt with by exclusively addressing Israeli concerns and ignoring those of the Palestinians, is currently dominant. But the clock is ticking.
The Gaza strip and what is left of the West Bank are a broken mess without a future. Sooner or later the Israelis will have to deal with the consequences of their actions. The status quo cannot be maintained forever.
kochman
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It would help if you asked me my view. This is the thing, stating the view of Israel doesn't equal agreeing with it. You keep assigning this to me, and it isn't accurate.
So, I get that that's the type of person you think you are debating, but you aren't actually debating that kind of person.
Get it?
Gary Childress
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Wow! What University are you attending there? With an atmosphere like that I may want to apply there myself!
Timsup2nothin
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Look, the OP already asked for your view...and Corsair's as a matter of fact. People answer the question by stating their view. They aren't necessarily stating what they think is the only possible view, they're just stating the only view they have, because we each only get one. You hop on Corsair as if he should be expected to throw 'in my opinion' onto every sentence he types, which I hope he never does because when people do that reading it makes me crazy. Now you suggest it's his responsibility to ask your view when expression of your view is (theoretically) why you are here.
If you aren't who people think you are, consider that they have limited information to draw from but that information did in fact all come from you, so if they are wrong you had a lot to do with it.
~Corsair#01~
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I remember the last time I attempted to debate the Israel/Palestine conflict with you. I asked you if the Palestinians should be allowed to have their own state.
You said that yes, of course they should. Provided that Israel approved of it and that its security needs were met.
You made your views clear to me then. The rights of Palestinians are subordinate to those of Israelis. The concerns of Palestinians- the right of return, land rights, statehood, are subject to Israeli approval. Israeli concerns are fundamental rights, beyond dispute.
You hide your bias towards Israel with all the subtlety of an elephant standing behind a shrub.
kochman
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Ummm, no.
1 - You're skewing my view.
2 - My view in 2014 hasn't been stated (since you are referring to our last talk about the subject, that would have to have been some time ago).
3 - You still haven't apologized for calling me a racist, so far as I've seen.
4 - Race isn't even an issue in this debate, which made your calling me racist ironic.
5 - Are you ready to apologize?
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Gary Childress
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Pretty serious "ultimatums" there kochman... Have you never insulted anyone yourself? If someone else demanded your apology, how would you react? How would you treat such a list from someone you've had arguments with based on radical disagreements? Just curious.
Sorry to pick on you BTW (I've been in your shoes before myself) but I've been reading a little on the 1st World War lately since last Monday was the 100th anniversary of Austria-Hungary's declaration of war on Serbia. Apparently just before the declaration which started or kicked off almost half a century of extreme hate, distrust and prejudice, A-H sent Serbia an "ultimatum" which it is said "no country could have agreed to". Therefore A-H maybe carries a great deal of responsibility for starting WW1. Your post sort of reminds me a bit of the events (albeit on a personal level of how ultimatums usually seem to work).
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I don't tolerate being called a racist or having my views misrepresented. I don't think that's unreasonable.
I do accept apologies from people big enough to give them, and yes, I've insulted people, and yes, I've also apologized to people for it.
I think your post is kind of pedagogic, for the record. He's either big enough to apologize for mischaracterizing and insulting me or he isn't. This isn't WW1.
I do accept apologies from people big enough to give them, and yes, I've insulted people, and yes, I've also apologized to people for it.
I think your post is kind of pedagogic, for the record. He's either big enough to apologize for mischaracterizing and insulting me or he isn't. This isn't WW1.
~Corsair#01~
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You are a racist.
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When you say that one group of people should be given preferential treatment over another and those people just happen to be white people from the same western cultural background as you, that's racism. You are treating people differently based on their racial background. That is the exact dictionary definition of racism.
Of course not. You're just a white Judeo-Christian westerner who is supporting colonialism carried out by other white Judeo-Christian westerners against a bunch of brown people. The fact that the correct side in this dispute happens to be the people who are from the same background as you is a coincidence.
classical_hero
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Calling Gaza a Ghetto just shows how ignorant you are about the situation. The response to Israel having open borders with Gaza was what?
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We settled it like men...uselessly beat on each other until we were both really really tired of it.
Gary Childress
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Sorry to be "pedagogic". I was just curious where you were coming from. Good luck with the demand for an apology.
Best regards,
Gary
Timsup2nothin
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That's probably more efficient.
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brennan
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When did Israel have open borders with Gaza?
kochman
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Except I don't say that.
I don't believe there to be a racial difference in the area you are referring to, which I thought I made clear.
And I am the racist one?
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Well, yeah, it's tough to get an apology from someone who has no interest in listening to others or having a civil discourse... so, I know I won't get it.
I'm just curious how long people around this site have been allowed to call each other racist?
brennan
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You seemed to think it was fine when you PMed me to insinuate that I criticise Israel because i'm anti-semitic.
kochman
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Nonsense. Palestinian and Israelis are both semitic, so I wouldn't say that.
I said "You've been raving against the Israelis for years... time to look into why..."
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