SGOTM 21 - Plastic Ducks
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Looks good.
Could you invest hammer into a cata for 1 turn in Corn site so that it can whip immediately after producing the 2nd swords.
The horse site does not need 2 warriors, one warrior can be sent back to other cities, either Corn or Deer site would need a warrior soon.
Other than that, green light.
Edit: When the Fur site could grow to size 6? Is it possible to whip a settler from here so that the galley could ship 2 settlers to south in one time. Just a sudden thought.
Could you invest hammer into a cata for 1 turn in Corn site so that it can whip immediately after producing the 2nd swords.
The horse site does not need 2 warriors, one warrior can be sent back to other cities, either Corn or Deer site would need a warrior soon.
Other than that, green light.
Edit: When the Fur site could grow to size 6? Is it possible to whip a settler from here so that the galley could ship 2 settlers to south in one time. Just a sudden thought.
Thanks for the save.
One thing I noticed: the Thebes Phalanx will delay Fish City if it unloads in Athens. Can you build this 1 turn sooner?
Galley1 2 should be 1NE of Argos on T99, if we want to settle Fish City on T101.
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edit: am I confusing the Galleys? Checking now.
Yes, I think I am. Sorry!
One thing I noticed: the Thebes Phalanx will delay Fish City if it unloads in Athens. Can you build this 1 turn sooner?
Galley
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edit: am I confusing the Galleys? Checking now.
Yes, I think I am. Sorry!
Phalanx can't be built 1 turn sooner. 
Iron hooks up on T94.
Galley2 will be 1N1E of Argos on T99 currently. It won't be picking up Phalanx from Thebes.
Galley1 will be sailing into Thebes on T99 if I counted correctly.
Settler in Thebes instead of Phalanx? Hmm
If we don't mind the
in Thebes for 3 turns at Size 5, we could whip a settler on T100.
**Edit**
The overflow put into a workboat instead of Library T92 has good results too
Put 1 turn into settler on T95 (Exactly 10
)
Just have to grin through T97,T98, and T99 with an angry citizen and 3-pop whip on T100.
Just enough to get us the Workboat too.
Thebes would then have 33 turns of anger.
How badly do we want one of those 1-fish arctic islands?
If a barb galley shows up, the city would have to pray our galley wins the fight.
Sure, I can switch Corn City for 1 turn to make catapult on Turn 88.
Then go back to Barracks Turn 89.
I suppose the warrior between Sparta and Horse City can just stay where it is.
That way on T96 the next player can move him to Horse City or send him up north to garrison Knossos. (Would be very helpful later)
If you guys really want that Market in Argos, I'll switch from the Wealth build.
Iron hooks up on T94.
Galley2 will be 1N1E of Argos on T99 currently. It won't be picking up Phalanx from Thebes.
Galley1 will be sailing into Thebes on T99 if I counted correctly.
Settler in Thebes instead of Phalanx? Hmm
If we don't mind the
in Thebes for 3 turns at Size 5, we could whip a settler on T100.**Edit**
The overflow put into a workboat instead of Library T92 has good results too
Put 1 turn into settler on T95 (Exactly 10
)Just have to grin through T97,T98, and T99 with an angry citizen and 3-pop whip on T100.
Spoiler :
Just enough
to get us the Workboat too.Thebes would then have 33 turns of anger.
How badly do we want one of those 1-fish arctic islands?
If a barb galley shows up, the city would have to pray our galley wins the fight.
Sure, I can switch Corn City for 1 turn to make catapult on Turn 88.
Then go back to Barracks Turn 89.
I suppose the warrior between Sparta and Horse City can just stay where it is.
That way on T96 the next player can move him to Horse City or send him up north to garrison Knossos. (Would be very helpful later)
If you guys really want that Market in Argos, I'll switch from the Wealth build.
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overflow.Ya, Phalanx whip overflow would complete Odeon if we put Hammers into Odeon instead of Library.
We can do this to grow to Size 6 without any anger ya.
This sounds good to me: whip a Phalanx (T96), OF into and complete an Odeon (T97/8?), grow on a WB, and, @ size 6 (T102ish?), 3-pop whip a Settler with enough OF to complete the WB.8
Ya, Phalanx whip overflow would complete Odeon if we put Hammers into Odeon instead of Library.
Growing with an angry citizen for 3 turns is a bit much for me.
).Looks good.
Could you invest hammer into a cata for 1 turn in Corn site so that it can whip immediately after producing the 2nd swords.
The horse site does not need 2 warriors, one warrior can be sent back to other cities, either Corn or Deer site would need a warrior soon.
Other than that, green light.
Edit: When the Fur site could grow to size 6? Is it possible to whip a settler from here so that the galley could ship 2 settlers to south in one time. Just a sudden thought.
Met the conditions, so green light.
Great. Green light from me. Good luck and have fun.
Thanks! Gimme a bit to print out PPP and run through it and fix it in me head.
I'll try to play tonight.
**Edit**
Test Run found typo. No Wheat for Athens T94.
Otherwise went well.
Playing Real Game now...
Continuing Real Game play from Here
T88 - Traded Mansa Deer for 2
per turn.
T89 - Willem got Great General in Amsterdam
Izzy demanded we cancel deals with France. Denied!
Knossos got Judaism spread.
Any opinion on Iron Working to Elizabeth for Monotheism?
It seems like a good idea to me.
Might be able to trade Mono next turn to Willem and Louis for gold.
Everyone else has Iron Working already.
We can trade our spare gem to Shaka for 1 per turn.
Will play turn and check back before doing trades.
**Edit**
Traded Gems to Shaka for 1 per turn
Traded Iron Working+35 to Elizabeth for Monotheism
T90 - Forest grows 3N1W of Corinth
Traded Monotheism to Willem for 110 
Louis along with everyone else already had Mono.
Mansa keeps putting +4
ahead of us. So annoying.
Shaka offered 20/30 for Writing, so he almost has it researched.
Traded Writing to Shaka for 20
Kushins the barb city discovered by scout workboat.
Definite shift towards the east.
We have a chance at circumnavigation if it goes 2 more tiles east I think.
T91 - No tech trades.
Only Louis has any decent amount of gold now (60)
Mansa is now +7 ahead of us.
The northern island extends east. I'm 99% sure we will get Cirumnavigation bonus.
T92 - No tech trades.
Great Merchant born in faraway land.
T93 - No tech trades. Louis still has 60 but he won't offer less than that for any of our big techs.
We have circumnavigated the world! All ships +1
Music is ours.
Great Prophet born in faraway land.
Red AI spotted inland in the far north.
T94 - Great Prophet born in faraway land.
Mansa has Metal Casting for trade
He will trade it to us for Math+Aesthetics+55
I think it might be good to get in case he starts Colossus and won't trade it next turn.
Not sure.... I'll play to the end of the turn and upload the game at the end of T94.
The next player can decide about the trade and press next turn
**Edit**
Paused and uploaded.
The long nightmare is over for you guys. ^.^
Log:
Buffy Log:
T88 - Traded Mansa Deer for 2
per turn.T89 - Willem got Great General in Amsterdam
Izzy demanded we cancel deals with France. Denied!
Knossos got Judaism spread.
Any opinion on Iron Working to Elizabeth for Monotheism?
It seems like a good idea to me.
Might be able to trade Mono next turn to Willem and Louis for gold.
Everyone else has Iron Working already.
We can trade our spare gem to Shaka for 1
per turn.Will play turn and check back before doing trades.
**Edit**
Traded Gems to Shaka for 1
per turnTraded Iron Working+35
to Elizabeth for MonotheismT90 - Forest grows 3N1W of Corinth
Traded Monotheism to Willem for 110
Louis along with everyone else already had Mono.
Mansa keeps putting +4
ahead of us. So annoying.Shaka offered 20/30
for Writing, so he almost has it researched.Traded Writing to Shaka for 20
Kushins the barb city discovered by scout workboat.
Definite shift towards the east.
We have a chance at circumnavigation if it goes 2 more tiles east I think.
T91 - No tech trades.
Only Louis has any decent amount of gold now (60
)Mansa is now +7
ahead of us.The northern island extends east. I'm 99% sure we will get Cirumnavigation bonus.
T92 - No tech trades.
Great Merchant born in faraway land.
T93 - No tech trades. Louis still has 60
but he won't offer less than that for any of our big techs.We have circumnavigated the world! All ships +1
Music is ours.
Great Prophet born in faraway land.
Red AI spotted inland in the far north.
T94 - Great Prophet born in faraway land.
Mansa has Metal Casting for trade
He will trade it to us for Math+Aesthetics+55
I think it might be good to get in case he starts Colossus and won't trade it next turn.
Not sure.... I'll play to the end of the turn and upload the game at the end of T94.
The next player can decide about the trade and press next turn
**Edit**
Paused and uploaded.
The long nightmare is over for you guys. ^.^
Log:
Spoiler :
Buffy Log:
Spoiler :
Trading always so hard for me.
Elizabeth wants 35
to trade Mono to us for Iron Working.The only ones with Mono right now are Mansa, Elizabeth, and Izzy.
The only one without Iron Working is Elizabeth.
I think it is still worth doing.
Louis has 70
and no Mono yet.Willem has 100
and no Mono yet.Can also trade Poly to Shaka for 20
I've confirmed."No" to giving Shaka Polytheism.
IW +35G <---> Monotheism is harder. I don't like to speed Elizabeth's tech rate or to give gold away in a trade, but she must be researching IW anyway.
On balance, I would make the trade, so that we can sell Monotheism to Willem and Louis. Once Louis catches Mansa's religion, they'll start trading. We need Monotheism eventually.
IW +35G <---> Monotheism is harder. I don't like to speed Elizabeth's tech rate or to give gold away in a trade, but she must be researching IW anyway.
On balance, I would make the trade, so that we can sell Monotheism to Willem and Louis. Once Louis catches Mansa's religion, they'll start trading. We need Monotheism eventually.
No problem. AI tech trades and research is very random, no matter how hard you try to predict.
Btw, the reason I am reluctant to sell Polytheism is that: (1) 20G is quite a bit less than the tech is worth; (2) Shaka can offer more gold from fail gold or capturing a Dutch city; (3) it's useful as a trade chip for bribing Shaka to make peace, or to hand over if Shaka makes a demand; (4) it's very unlikely he'll research this himself.
edit:
For the same reason, I'd also say "no" to:
30G is too little, unless Shaka has more and is already researching this himself.
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I would personally sell Polytheism for 40G, if Shaka reaches that.
edit 2: did Louis' gold go away?
Btw, the reason I am reluctant to sell Polytheism is that: (1) 20G is quite a bit less than the tech is worth; (2) Shaka can offer more gold from fail gold or capturing a Dutch city; (3) it's useful as a trade chip for bribing Shaka to make peace, or to hand over if Shaka makes a demand; (4) it's very unlikely he'll research this himself.
edit:
For the same reason, I'd also say "no" to:
Shaka is offering 30
30G is too little, unless Shaka has more
and is already researching this himself.-----
I would personally sell Polytheism for 40G, if Shaka reaches that.
edit 2: did Louis' gold go away?
All done up to the end of T94.
Do we take the Mansa Metal Casting trade?
That's the question.
Uploaded the game at end of T94.
Good night and thanks for the help Doshin!
Some Real Game Screenshots Turn 94!
Do we take the Mansa Metal Casting trade?
That's the question.
Uploaded the game at end of T94.
Good night and thanks for the help Doshin!
Some Real Game Screenshots Turn 94!
Spoiler :
Great work Kaitzilla. 
I think it's fair to say there were a lot of competing demands to balance.
Metal Casting is great news. Without looking at the save, I would take the trade in a heart beat. Lots of AI have Mathematics now. The only downside is that this will steer MM towards Construction and Literature, and we won't need to build any Forges until religion is spread.
I'll check the save and comment tomorrow. Good night.
I think it's fair to say there were a lot of competing demands to balance. Metal Casting is great news. Without looking at the save, I would take the trade in a heart beat. Lots of AI have Mathematics now. The only downside is that this will steer MM towards Construction and Literature, and we won't need to build any Forges until religion is spread.
I'll check the save and comment tomorrow. Good night.
Very good.
Our EP is very close to view Mansa's tech choice. Do we want to invest 10% EP slider this turn?Edit: Maybe not, if Mansa invest less EPpt than us, we should be able to view his tech in a couple of turns. Our Cash is enough to complete CS, if Mansa's next tech choice is not CoL or Med, shall we start to push toward CS?
I'm fine to take the MC trade.
Which Fish site shall we settle 1st? A few options:
@Kaitzilla
Could you play a few more turns to confirm the next tech choice?
Our EP is very close to view Mansa's tech choice. Do we want to invest 10% EP slider this turn?Edit: Maybe not, if Mansa invest less EPpt than us, we should be able to view his tech in a couple of turns. Our Cash is enough to complete CS, if Mansa's next tech choice is not CoL or Med, shall we start to push toward CS?
I'm fine to take the MC trade.
Which Fish site shall we settle 1st? A few options:
- Settle one of the eastern fish site 1st and let the Galley keep going east and drop 1 warrior on another eastern fish site, then let the galley try to reveal Izzy's border.
- Produce a trireme and let it reveal Izzy' border
@Kaitzilla
Could you play a few more turns to confirm the next tech choice?
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