Term 3 Judiciary

gert-janl · Oct 19, 2004

mhcarver said:
Has anyone seen the Public Defender around? It's coming up on three days since the last JR was added to the docket and not a peep from him/her

He posted in the absence registry that he will be away untill the 20th/21st.

mhcarver · Oct 19, 2004

oops, I suppose I should have checked today. :suicide:

My sincere apologies

Ashburnham · Oct 21, 2004

I have another question regarding authority. I started a discussion (here, by the way) about naming the continents on our planet. My question is, who actually has the power to do so? Does anyone? If not, I think this would be a perfect job for the Culture Ministry.

Thanks for your opinions,
Pope Ashburnham

Provolution · Oct 21, 2004

Domestic Ministry has the authority here.

Ashburnham · Oct 21, 2004

Ah. Thanks, Provolution.

blackheart · Oct 21, 2004

Hear ye hear ye I humbly present this addition to our Code of Laws. I hope the judiciary will speedily rule on this matter so it can go before the citizens (if everything is alright that is)

CoL G.5 - Turnchat Schedule
A. At least 4 days between Turnchats is required. The time, however, of
the TC does not have to be exactly 96 hours from the previous Turnchat.
Some latitude will be given (+/- 5 hours). This latitude is up to the
discretion of the DP.
B. There must be played at least one full Turnchat every week; one full
turnchat usually constitutes of at least 10 turns, but this does not have
to be fully played as the DP can stop the turnchat early as the need
arises.
C. If required, the DP can decide to hold more turnchats, limited to one turn,
as needed to decide in matters of trade or any other one turn actions.
During these one turn TCs no more than one turn can be played, but no
turns (effectively pressing the turn button) are needed to be played, just
the instructions are required to be carried out as dictated by the
ministers and governors.

MOTH · Oct 22, 2004

Honorable members of the court,
I would like to request that blackheart's request be sent back to the legislature for procedural issues. I do not believe that Code of Laws Section I has been followed in this case. Specifically, a proposed poll was not posted at the bottom of the discussion thread. Even if it were decided that something (the Chief Justice's post perhaps) in the thread would be considered a proposed poll, there was only an official 'second' and no clearly stated 'third' as procedure would require.

Thanks for your consideration in this matter.

blackheart · Oct 22, 2004

Secondation by Black_Hole http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2276336&postcount=27

And thirding by Ashburnham http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2276538&postcount=32

KCCrusader · Oct 22, 2004

DG5JR23

The constitution makes it quite clear who is in charge of build queues: governors. Therefore a culture minister cannot over rule the governor without proving (no need for CC, just post in turnchat) that the governors instructions violate the WOTP. If the culture ministry has an approproate complete poll, the WOTP can over rule the governors build requests.

KCCrusader · Oct 22, 2004

Also, might as well say this now, I will be unavailable for two weeks out of the next two upcoming terms. Therefore, I will not be a candidate again until Term 6 (as needed) at the soonest.

Thanks for all of your support so far in this game. I hope to return to your judiciary after i return from vacation

Don't worry, I'll be able to finish this term out.

Black_Hole · Oct 23, 2004

KCCrusader said:
Also, might as well say this now, I will be unavailable for two weeks out of the next two upcoming terms. Therefore, I will not be a candidate again until Term 6 (as needed) at the soonest.

Thanks for all of your support so far in this game. I hope to return to your judiciary after i return from vacation

Don't worry, I'll be able to finish this term out.

good bye mister public defender

mhcarver · Oct 23, 2004

though the CJ has not yet officially added this to the docket I may be busy the next 2 days so I would like to rule that I find that the proposed leglislation does not conflict with the constitution in any way and may proceed to polling

gert-janl · Oct 23, 2004

mhcarver said:
though the CJ has not yet officially added this to the docket

I am really sorry about this. I usually check the forums at least once a day. However, due to real life I wasn't be able to do that. I do my utmost best to keep all judicial matters rolling and updated.

MOTH said:
Honorable members of the court,
I would like to request that blackheart's request be sent back to the legislature for procedural issues. I do not believe that Code of Laws Section I has been followed in this case. Specifically, a proposed poll was not posted at the bottom of the discussion thread. Even if it were decided that something (the Chief Justice's post perhaps) in the thread would be considered a proposed poll, there was only an official 'second' and no clearly stated 'third' as procedure would require.

Thanks for your consideration in this matter.

I thank you for your point. However the Court interprets the 'proposed poll' in this piece of law to mean that the particular part of law has to be presented in the discussion, the way it will appear in the law. Since that's been done here and as can be found in post #108 it has been approved by the required 2 citizens, I see no problems bringing it to the next stage of amendment procedures. That will constitute of a Judicial Review on the matter.

gert-janl · Oct 23, 2004

On October 22nd, blackheart approached the Court for amending the Code of Laws. He proposes the addition of a fifth article to the Code of Laws. That proposed article consists of the following.

Code:

CoL G.5 - Turnchat Schedule
A.  At least 4 days between Turnchats is required. The time, however, of
    the TC does not have to be exactly 96 hours from the previous Turnchat.
    Some latitude will be given (+/- 5 hours). This latitude is up to the
    discretion of the DP. 
B.  There must be played at least one full Turnchat every week; one full
    turnchat usually constitutes of at least 10 turns, but this does not have
    to be fully played as the DP can stop the turnchat early as the need 
    arises.
C.  If required, the DP can decide to hold more turnchats, limited to one turn, 
    as needed to decide in matters of trade or any other one turn actions. 
    During these one turn TCs no more than one turn can be played, but no 
    turns (effectively pressing the turn button) are needed to be played, just 
    the instructions are required to be carried out as dictated by the 
    ministers and governors.

In concurrence with CoL.I.2 the Court decides to accept the request for Judicial Review. This will be added to the Court's docket as DG5JR24.
The question for the Court to decide on will be the following:
Does the proposed article conflict in any possible way with the Constitution, and if yes, where?

gert-janl · Oct 23, 2004

CJ's Ruling DG5JR24

Having compared the proposed addition to the Code of Laws with our Constitution, there are no contradictions or complications in regard to our present Constitution found.

mhcarver · Oct 23, 2004

It's no problem Mr. CJ I understand what ones real life can do to them, and no worries you've done a great job in your position. :goodjob:

KCCrusader · Oct 24, 2004

DG5JR24

I find that this law has no contadictions with current laws or rights. It should move to polling soon.

gert-janl · Oct 24, 2004

The judiciary unanimously agreed that there are no conflicts with present legislation concerning the proposed amendment of blackheart. Therefore it's been brought to the House of the People to be approved by at least 55%, as provided in Constitution article E.1.a and Code of Laws article I. 2 & 3

Donovan Zoi · Oct 26, 2004

I would like to request a Judicial Review on the following:

Can a nomination be considered accepted so long as it is posted before the commencement of the General Election?

Some background: I posted my nom acceptance for the position of Foreign Affairs Advisor at 8:01pm EST while the Election Office announced an uncontested victory for CivGeneral at 8:05pm EST. Incidentally, this announcement was made by EO trustee CivGeneral himself, stating that I missed the deadline by one minute. Yet there is nothing written in our current ruleset to support the schedule to which the Election Office adhered.

While my last-minute acceptance was definitely risky and not good practice, are my rights not covered by Article H of our Constitution? If the are covered, I would need the Judiciary to work quickly to reverse the decision of the Election Office so that an election could indeed take place.

Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter

Respectfully,

Donovan Zoi
FA Candidate

For reference:

Article H.
No person shall hold multiple positions of leadership
(President, Vice-President, Department Leader,
Judiciary, Provincial Governor, Deputy) simultaneously,
nor shall have more than one accepted nomination at the
commencement of the general election.

Black_Hole · Oct 26, 2004

Donovan Zoi said:
I would like to request a Judicial Review on the following:

Can a nomination be considered accepted so long as it is posted before the commencement of the General Election?

Some background: I posted my nom acceptance for the position of Foreign Affairs Advisor at 8:01pm EST while the Election Office announced an uncontested victory for CivGeneral at 8:05pm EST. Incidentally, this announcement was made by EO trustee CivGeneral himself, stating that I missed the deadline by one minute. Yet there is nothing written in our current ruleset to support the schedule to which the Election Office adhered.

While my last-minute acceptance was definitely risky and not good practice, are my rights not covered by Article H of our Constitution? If the are covered, I would need the Judiciary to work quickly to reverse the decision of the Election Office so that an election could indeed take place.

Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter

Respectfully,

Donovan Zoi
FA Candidate

For reference:

yep i can see it easily your way DZ, since there is nothing in the constitution about election times you should be allowed to be in the election

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