Military Department - Term 1

Originally posted by Grey Fox
But shouldn't they have gone for the Closest city. Our city must have been the closest one though...

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Or the least defended city?

I suggest that we should send offensive troops in the early period, to look for barbarians, ad fight them for money and for battle experience.

*Salutes*

Originally posted by das
I suggest that we should send offensive troops in the early period, to look for barbarians, ad fight them for money and for battle experience.

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At the moment, we are expanding aggressively to fill out our environs. We don't have offensive troops yet. The plan now is to pump out warriors and upgrade these to immortals later. For the moment, we'll have to rely on them to take care of the occasional barb uprising.

EDIT - You can pretty much ignore this post completely. It was a failed attempt at some drama, nothing more. The turn went well.

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Um... General... some er... good news. We've been exploring, and, well... we've made contact with another civ.



"On OUR continent???! What tribute did they give us?"

Well sir, they offered us ten gold and six gold for Iron Working.



But we held out! We got knowledge of how to make walls and earthen pots and hieroglyphics and cool stuff like that General!



The President was away, so they pushed on further than normal. They settled 'near' fresh water. Not on it sir, near it. Hopelessly burying gold so we'll NEVER ever see it. Sure they could have taken the fresh water, hills with gold and hills with IRON but they liked this spot. Or they could have gone two steps north and founded on a RIVER, *FIVE* flood plains and a cattle, but uh... not sure why again why they didn't pick that...



Well... the other advisors were somewhat concerned about giving away a critical, life changing tech like iron working. But in the end it came down to something like this:
"We are making our niehbors strong"
"So? We are making them like us."



"LIKE US??!?!?!?!!!!?!?!!?!?" The General swore like a sailor, started hurling furniture across the room, and beat the messenger soundly about the head and buttocks.

Bruised and bloody, the messenger tried to find something to soothe the General. "Sir (cough) don't worry, they've come up with a military target and have started building ONE military unit among the four cities"



It's ok sir, they built a spearman to defend us at Eyr, we don't need to be afraid!

*(*@#@#$@#% { sounds of bones breaking, furniture previously merely thrown about, now going through glass plate windows, ear piercing screams, much ugliness... }

As he left the room, he be heard to say, amongst the muttering, something about 'gather the other generals and birds', 'war room', 'shoving immortal iron up Abe's...{garbled}', and 'manifest destiny'. He also mentioned something about 'where are my brass knuckles, I clearly need to go have some 'diplomacy' with my other department heads!'

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Adjutant to General Charis, who was unavailable for further comment.

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
We don't have offensive troops yet. .

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We can say that all we want but if our neighbors get angry.....

Originally posted by Charis
As he left the room, he be heard to say, amongst the muttering, something about 'gather the other generals and birds', 'war room', 'shoving immortal iron up Abe's...{garbled}', and 'manifest destiny'. He also mentioned something about 'where are my brass knuckles, I clearly need to go have some 'diplomacy' with my other department heads!'

: hammer :

Adjutant to General Charis, who was unavailable for further comment.

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If you look at the log, you'll see that we made many comments about making the Science guys happy and ticking off the military.

Uh oh, do I hear a coup d'etat starting?

OR the general could have gotten down off his horse and joined the other men in the first hand governing of his troops....

Originally posted by Cyc
there will be no time for a popular vote.

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Thats straying from the Constitution

Originally posted by Charis

The President was away, so they pushed on further than normal. They settled 'near' fresh water. Not on it sir, near it. Hopelessly burying gold so we'll NEVER ever see it. Sure they could have taken the fresh water, hills with gold and hills with IRON but they liked this spot. Or they could have gone two steps north and founded on a RIVER, *FIVE* flood plains and a cattle, but uh... not sure why again why they didn't pick that...

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That city has been designated as a settler factory for the forseeable future. It will not get anywhere near to size 6 for quite some time, and therefore will not need an aqueduct or access to fresh water. It was constructed on the gold because that will allow us to gain some of the benefit of the gold while this city does not have the manpower to work that area. I believe we only lose 1 gold from that square because we built on top of it.

Anyway, maybe the military advisor should join us next time if he does not agree with the actions of his civilian counterparts.

Ok, I seem to have gone overboard with the "in character" nature of my post above. Charis thought the turn went fairly well, but the General avatar seems to have stepped on some toes.


Chances are slim to none I'll make any of the chats because of the time it's at and my schedule. Then again, I didn't think they were that important.

I thought the forum was the means for deciding most things, not the chat (which I took more to be a live reporting) and was a little surprised to see several actions taken that seemed to counter decisions made on the forum. The reactions of "other departments" not present were correctly gauged by some present, and it seemed more of a "they're not here approach" was taken then a "hmmm, you're right, he clearly didn't want to see xyz, let's not do that"

(Examples: If the big goal is Great Library, why on earth are we giving a dime for techs? Why are we selling Iron Working for Rome to make legionairres? Why did we build a spearman despite agreement by Mil dept and Grey Fox not to? Might not it have been a good idea to stop a few turns earlier and assimilate the vast new info- 5 civs, knowing what techs they have and what they don't, knowing where iron is, seems like a good point for discussion)

Or maybe I'm missing something, or misunderstanding 'Democracy' game ... ?
Charis

Originally posted by Charis
Ok, I seem to have gone overboard with the "in character" nature of my post above. Charis thought the turn went fairly well, but the General avatar seems to have stepped on some toes.


Chances are slim to none I'll make any of the chats because of the time it's at and my schedule. Then again, I didn't think they were that important.

I thought the forum was the means for deciding most things, not the chat (which I took more to be a live reporting) and was a little surprised to see several actions taken that seemed to counter decisions made on the forum. The reactions of "other departments" not present were correctly gauged by some present, and it seemed more of a "they're not here approach" was taken then a "hmmm, you're right, he clearly didn't want to see xyz, let's not do that"

(Examples: If the big goal is Great Library, why on earth are we giving a dime for techs? Why are we selling Iron Working for Rome to make legionairres? Why did we build a spearman despite agreement by Mil dept and Grey Fox not to? Might not it have been a good idea to stop a few turns earlier and assimilate the vast new info- 5 civs, knowing what techs they have and what they don't, knowing where iron is, seems like a good point for discussion)

Or maybe I'm missing something, or misunderstanding 'Democracy' game ... ?
Charis

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We sold iron working to the romans because they were going to get it from someone else on the next turn, because everyone else had it. The reason we are attempting to keep up in technology, is because the Great Library will not be completed for many, many turns, if at all. The reason we did not stop when we started meeting civs was because we had barely gotten started. According to the Duck of Flanders, the civ2 game went at a painfully slow pace because of this. I cannot think of any way that we countermanded any decisions that were made on the forum. Yes, some of the actions we took were contrary to certain citizens opinions, but it is not possible to please everyone. As far as tech trading, we stuck pretty closely to the goals presented by the trade department, even though they did not have a representative there until the very end. Keep in mind that at the beginning, we would have to stop everytime we discovered new territory , if we stuck to closely to what is decided on the forums. Once the area is fully explored, it will be much easier to make exact decisions before the turns are played. This will probably occur after the next session. Also, keep in mind that far more exploration is being done than is normally necessary, and the best exploration units are those that are produced most cheaply. The spearmen produced in Eyr was built because it was not growing fast enough to build a settler quite yet, and we already had plenty of scouting warriors in the are. I'm not really sure why we are not supposed to build spearmen, though. I guess I 'll read over the military thread again.

I also strongly suggest that each department make sure it has a representative present during these chats. Not so much to make sure the person playing does what he/she is supposed to do, but to make sure he knows what he is supposed to do. I realize now that I probably should not have traded iron working according to the trade department. However, had I not traded iron working, that would be about the only technology we had right now. Rather than researching writing en route to the Great Library, we would have just started on alphabet. General edicts are not good enough, and to some degree the person playing has to react to the situation. Again, each department should have a representative at each chat to inform the person playing of what their departments view is on the situation.

maybe you are charis. but then again maybe you and your parents had a discussion in which they told you how to drive their car (as opposed to taking you out on the road and teaching you)and afterwards gave you the keys and said good luck. who knows.

the man in the presidents chair has the wheel. he is the ONLY one who gets to see the map. you know how civ3 jumps back and forth across the screen. you know how quickly foriegn units appear out of the blue, etc, etc, etc.

sometimes it is difficult (read=talking softly now) for the leaders to get a complete picture of what's going on. Even if we think we know the situation at hand, it's still just a picture that we formulated in our head. besides the President, you have other leaders, the moderator, and walk-in citizens throwing comments and suggestions in constantly. i personally have to repeat my questions two or three times. then i'm lucky if i get answered.

describe and discuss is the way to proceed thru this game, kinda like D&D. but it's not like that when you get down there on the killing floor. i personally read all the text stating how we will not trade iron working to a neighbor. (all the other points too) but after a while you begin to feel invisible because there is too much chaos. on wednesday, i just threw my hands up in the air and sat back. i will not start jumping up and down yelling like some ass.

please come and show us the proper way to address every situation in the appropriate manner at the appropriate time, with skill and cunning. grab a laptop and spend some time at your desk or a late lunch or whatever....

I say we quickly build some barracks and Immortals to start conquering our neighbours. Expansion is a must and expansion by war gives us the opportunity to gain leaders. IMHO we should attack one civ at the time and use diplomacy to form alliances with the rest of our neighbours against that civ, to make sure we will not have to fight on mulitple fronts. Hopefully our wise military leader can persuade the other members of the cabinet to do this.

I agree with Mr.Spice we should build up our military quickly when the AI's have undeffended cities.

The domestic department hereby offers the military department the oppurtunity to place the next settler we build in a place it feels would make a good training ground for veteran units. This city will build a temple or library, and then a barracks, at which point it will produce military units ad infinitum.

The office of the military denies rumors of uproar over recent events at the military department. An overzealous Adjutant gave the press a false report both to scare our foes and to bring dishonor to the General. In fact the General was on a day cruise at the time, thinking the situation was one of peace and tranquility. Said adjutant has been fired.


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Translation: It was a failed attempt at drama. I thought the turn went well and almost all decisions just fine. The chat transcript suggested "you better look out for the military's reaction" so I got a little mischievous and wrote a piece that played into those expectations. Not sure what I was thinking. I'm currently evaluating whether I have time to continue in this 'position' and do a good job. More on that later.

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Charis

I thought it was good "acting," and you should continue, but put a warning that it was just humour on any future "in character" posts.

If you thought that was drama, you should read Charis' post in the Utopia of Babylon SG.

While attempting a diplomacy victory, he convinced us all that he nuked all the worlds major powers and started a nuclear winter!

Had us all going for a day too.

He is a gifted storyteller, and not always to be taken literally. Try to read between the lines.

So, Charis, am I some kind of "lackey" in this War Department now?
KD sent me a PM informing me I have been drafted.

My modem is currently kaput, but should have a new one in a few days.
See you then.

-joespaniel

Originally posted by joespaniel
If you thought that was drama, you should read Charis' post in the Utopia of Babylon SG.

While attempting a diplomacy victory, he convinced us all that he nuked all the worlds major powers and started a nuclear winter!

Had us all going for a day too.

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Yep, that was a classic. This guy was telling us not to attack, keep to our word, not to plan for a first strike, keep to the peaceful theme of the SG and then at the very end, posted in the guise of a story that he had nuked everyone and a nuclear winter had set in.....

OT, we need to send a rep for that chat? Don't look at me - I'm in Singapore and the chat is on an unearthly hour for me.

I opinate that the game is working well. Things get moving. And if things didn't work out, well, the citizenry will throw them out come the next elections. That's the way it shld be, as in real life.

Seems like the people are hungering for an attack on old Abe. We shld get down to planning now, o mighty leader Charis?

I've been able to make the last game, and should be able to make a majority of them, and I tried to look out for our interests. So.... I apply for the position of a Military Department spokesman during the turn chat.

So, Knight-Dragon, do you accept my Application?