Star Wars: The Mod Strikes Back

Awesome planets. Do you have a map with them?

What do I have to download to get those 2x2 planets?

Alright, everyone, i can announce that Pleb has officially left the team.

What i do advise is that we work out the 6 main consitiuents of the mod before we do anything else; rather than worying too much about what we can do when it is ready, we need to work out the following:
1. Civilizations
-This should be easy, as there are the Rebels and the Empire. Do we want many more, such as the Bounty Hunter's Guild, the Hapans, the Chiss, etc etc.

2. Tech Tree
- I know a tech tree has already been made for the star wars mod, by myself, and i also know it is fairly rubbish. We need suggestions for a better tech tree, or more techs.

3. Units
- We already have a fair few units, and we should compile and organise these, so we can have all our civilizations to be fair - for example, there are stormtroopers of all sorts, but not quite so many rebel troops.

4. City Improvements
- Less of an imprtant one, but we need to work out how to get a good line of buildings, and we will also need to compile graphics for these. Wonders is included in this section.

5. Terrain / Resources
- The terrain will be part of planning the map, but what we could do is have specialist planets, such as Kashyyk, that has a strategic resource wookies, and these wookies are used for certain units, (eg wookie slave and wookie warrior)

6. Governments
- Possible the hardest part, we need to work out what governments we shall use, and how to attribute these to the tech tree. We could use the Civ defaults, of monarchy, despotism, etc etc, or we could change it so that we have specific star wars related governments/religions, such as 'Balance', 'Emperor's new Order', 'Republic', 'Emergency Powers of the Republic', etc.

We could use more generic techs, such as 'Energy Tech #', 'Blaster Tech #', 'droid tech #''Computer Tech #', and 'Construction Tech #'.
[# - number]

This would enable us to have a much more detailed tech tree, as these 'core' techs could lead to advance techs, such as 'Sublight Engine', 'hyperspace engine', 'Navcomputer', 'shield generators', 'deflector shield generators', 'graviton technology', 'heavy starships', and others.

Energy Techs would only be prerequisite techs, blaster techs would lead to infantry, computer tech would lead to vehicles, construction tech would lead to buildings, and 'droid' techs would lead to new types of production of new type of workers for the city screen. The other techs, such as 'sublight engines' could lead to other thigns, like fighters, and 'graviton technology' could lead to death stars.

Did you PM Pleb and find that out?

Anyway, methinks that there have been a fair amount of good ideas, but until we get a core of people dedicated to improving/recreating this mod, then however many ideas we come up with won't go far.

I can't help much for now. However, have every intention of helping out after I am done beta testing LOTM, especially in creating/improving spacecraft units.

Pleb told me on MSN that he has left.

We need some people to vote on whether or not we have the following factions as civilizations:

These four are definite ones...
1. Galactic Empire
2. Rebellion / Rebel Alliance
3. Galactic Republic
4. Confederacy

These are 'indefinite' ones - only possibilities...
5. Chiss (Unknown regions)
6. Hapans (Hapes Cluster)
7. Bounty Hunters Guild (Core)
8. Underground Criminal Cartel (Hutt space)
9. Yuuzhan Vong (Another Galaxy)
10. Yevetha (Koornacht Cluster)
11. Ssi Ruuk (Ssi Ruuk Star Cluster)
12. Black Sun (Core)
13. Justice League / (Corellian Sector)
14. Smuggler's Alliance (Varied)

I think we should stick with the four definite ones. Some of the other ones are not really civilizations (Bounty Hunters, Smugglers Alliance) while the others would be extremely difficult to get units made for.

SheepMonster said:

Pleb told me on MSN that he has left.

We need some people to vote on whether or not we have the following factions as civilizations:

These four are definite ones...
1. Galactic Empire
2. Rebellion / Rebel Alliance
3. Galactic Republic
4. Confederacy

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Definately go with those 4. I would also like to see Mon Calamari, Naboo, The Wookiees, Yuuzhan Vong, Hutt Cartel, Hapes Consortium, possibly Trade Federation, Alderaan, or Corellia could be unique enough to make a civilization. It would be tough to make all of those however.

Alright, Im back! I've compiled a list of all units that have been made so far. Units that haven't yet been made are in italics. Units that are listed like this > "Unit1/Unit2" share the same graphics.

Rebel Alliance - 21/33

Ground Units
Admiral Ackbar
Captured AT-AT - (Use AT-AT graphics)
Captured AT-ST - (Use AT-ST graphics)
Fleet Trooper/Rebel Defender/Rebel Guard
Hoth Laser Turret - (Use same graphics for Light, Medium, Heavy, Advanced)
Jedi Padawan/Jedi Learner
Jedi Knight
Jedi Master
Modified T-16 Skyhopper
*Airspeeder/Snowspeeder
*Armed Landspeeder
*Hoth Soldier
*Mon Calamari Trooper
*Mon Mothma
*Rebel Commando
*Swoop Bike
*Tauntaun Rider
*Torpedo Tank

Space Units
A-Wing
B-Wing
Corellian Corvette
E-Wing
MC-80 Cruiser
Medium Transport/Medium Transport II
Nebulan Frigate
X-Wing (T-65 & NJ-1)
YT-1300
YT-2400
Y-Wing
Z-95 Headhunter
*K-Wing
*"Home 1" MC-85 Cruiser
*MC-40 Cruiser


Galactic Empire - 26/33

Ground Units
AT-AT
AT-PT
AT-ST
Dark Trooper
Darth Vader
Dewback Trooper
General Veers
Heavy Stormtrooper
Sith Apprentice/Sith Novice
Sith Knight
Sith Lord
Snowtrooper
Speeder Bike
Stormtrooper
*Gun Turret - (Use same graphics for Light, Medium, Heavy, Advanced)
*Imperial High Guard/Adv. Imperial High Guard
*Sandtrooper
*Skipray Blastboat
*TIE Crawler
*TX-130 Fighter Tank

Space Units
Acclamator Assault Ship
Carrack Cruiser
Imperial Lander/Imperial Lander II
Imperial Star Destroyer
Lambda Shuttle
Super Star Destroyer
TIE Advanced
TIE Bomber/Tie Interdictor
TIE Defender
TIE Fighter
TIE Interceptor/TIE Avenger
Victory Star Destroyer
*Assault Gunboat


Confederacy - 20/34

Ground Units
AAT
Battle Droid
Droideka/Shielded Droideka
Hailfire Droid
Homing Spider Droid
MTT
Probe Droid
Sith Apprentice/Sith Novice
Sith Knight
Sith Lord
STAP
Super Battle Droid
Tank Droid
*Count Dooku
*Droid Gunship
*Dwarf Spider Droid
*General Grievous
*Geonosian Sonic Cannon - (Use same graphics for Light, Medium, Heavy, Advanced)
*Geonosian Warrior
*Magna Guard
*Orray Trooper

Space Units
Banking Clan Frigate
Commerce Shuttle - (Use Separatist Transport graphics)
Droid Bomber/Hvy Droid Bomber
Droid Control Ship
Droid Fighter
Droid Lander/Droid Lander II
Geonosian Fighter
*Commerce Guild Destroyer
*"Invisible Hand" Providence Destroyer
*Lapiz Shuttle
*Sith Infiltrator/Sith Fighter
*Techno Union Ship
*Tri-Fighter


Galactic Republic - 19/33

Ground Units
ARC Trooper
AT-TE
AT-XT
Clone Trooper/Clone Recruit
Heavy Clone Trooper
Jedi Padawan/Jedi Learner
Jedi Knight
Jedi Master
Juggernaut
Republic Gunship
Speeder Bike Clone
SPHA-T - (Use same graphics for Light, Medium, Heavy, Advanced)
Yoda
*AT-AP
*AT-RT
*Mounted Clone
*Palpatine
*Republic Guard/Adv. Republic Guard

Space Units
Acclamator Assault Ship
Corellian Gunship
Bulk Transport/Bulk Transport II
Jedi Starfighter (Delta-7 Aethersprite)
Victory Star Destroyer
Z-95 Headhunter
*ARC-170 Fighter
*Clone Bomber/Hvy Clone Bomber
*Diplomatic Cruiser
*Jedi Interceptor (Eta-2 Actis)
*Mandator Dreadnaught
*Theta Shuttle
*V-19 Torrent
*V-Wing
*Venator Star Destroyer


Yuuzhan Vong - ON HOLD


Misc Units - 29/29
Basic Infantry - (Uses Civ3 Marine graphics)
Beam Tube Trooper
Bounty Hunter
Cloud Car
Death Star
Desert Skiff
Ewok Warrior
Gungan Trooper
Jawa
Jawa Droid
Kaadu Cavalry
Mara Jade
Mounted Naboo Guard
MSE-6 Droid
Naboo Grenadier
Naboo Starfighter
Protocol Droid
Probe Droid
R2 Droid
Sandcrawler
Slave I
Slaver Ship
Slug Fighter
Slug Transport
Squib Priest
Tusken Raider
Wookiee Bowcaster
Wookiee Warrior


I'll probably add more to the list later. There are also a lot of units we could probably get rid of in there as well.

Here's what I got on buildings it's not much:

There are a lot of buidlings from SW:GB and I got a lot 3-D Models we could possibly use for some of these, if that would save some time.

IMPROVEMENTS
Atmospheric Purifier > Recycling Center
Casino = Produces Happy Faces and Generates Commerce
Commerce Guild > Bank
Data Library > Library
Defense Grid > Coastal Fortress
Detention Center > Police Station
Docking Hangar > Harbor
Entertainment Center = Produces Happy Faces
Ion Cannon > SAM Missile Battery
Medic Center > Hospital
Moisture Vaporators > Granary
Orbital Platform > Offshore Platform
Penal Colony = Slaves/Prisoners increase production but causes unhappy citizens
Planetary Exchange > Stock Exchange
Podracing Course > Colloseum
Power Core > Aqueduct
Shield Generators > Walls
Shipyard > Commercial Dock
Spaceport > Airport
Trade Route = Produces Flag Unit which can be traded in for Gold & VP
Training Center > Barracks
Carbon-Freezing Chamber > Coal Plant
Energy Collecors > Solar Plant
Fusion Reactor > Nuclear Plant
Spice Mine > Hydro Plant

GREAT WONDERS
Baktoid Armor Workshop = Unit Producing Wonder
Boonta Eve Classic > Shakespeare Theater
Bounty Hunters Guild = Produces Bounty Hunters
Centrepoint Space Station > Collosus
Clone Hatchery > Longevity
Echo Base > Great Wall
Great Massassi Temple > Oracle
HoloNet > Internet
Incom Industries = Unit Producing Wonder
Jedi Council = Produces Jedi Masters
Jedi Monument > Temple of Artemis?
Kuat Drive Yards = Unit Producing Wonder
Lars' Moisture Farm > Great Pyramids
Obi-Won's Hut > Copernicus Observatory
On-Board Navigation > Magellan's Voyage
Rothana Heavy Engineering = Unit Producing Wonder
Sienar Fleet Systems = Unit Producing Wonder
Sith City = Produces Sith Lords
The Death Star Project > Manhattan Project
The Galactic Archives > Great Library
The Galactic Senate > UN
The Great Holocron = +2 Free Techs
The Hydian Way = Commerce Producing Wonder
The Spice Mines of Kessel > Hoover Dam
The Tarkin Doctrine > Sun Tzu's AoW
Trade Federation HQ = Commerce Producing Wonder
Watto's Workshop > Leo's Workshop

SMALL WONDERS
Bacta Tanks > Battlefield Medicine
Bothan Spy Network > Intelligience Agency
Central Command > Pentagon
Coruscant Exchange > Wall Street
Droid Factory > Ironworks
Jedi Academy = Produces Jedi Knights
Outbound Flight Project > Apollo
Planetary Defense Shield > SDI
Sith Temple = Produces Sith Knights

I'll probably make changes to this list as well.

Looks good!

I really want to start making some of the ship units, but right now I'm tied up with wrapping up college and LotM. I should be able to help out more in three weeks, when my finals are done.

Definately go with those 4. I would also like to see Mon Calamari, Naboo, The Wookiees, Yuuzhan Vong, Hutt Cartel, Hapes Consortium, possibly Trade Federation, Alderaan, or Corellia could be unique enough to make a civilization. It would be tough to make all of those however.

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1. Mon Calamari, Kashyyk* (Wookie homeworld) Alderaan are planets not sectors, and so can't really be seen as a Civilization in themselves.
2. Trade Federation is a part of the confederacy, shares its units and so there is no point including it as a seperate civilization.
3. Corellia is also a planet, but if we were to use the Corellian sector instead (eg the justice league) we could involve a lot more planets, eg Duros, Talus and Tralus.
4. Yuuhzan Vong and Hapes consortium sound cool but use a completely different unit style so we should leave them out for now
5. Naboo, despite having pllenty of units, is not practical as Naboo is just one planet. We should include the Naboo within the Galactic Republic, and maybe some units carry through to the Rebellion.
6. Hutt Cartel has some units, and so would be an easy civilization to add. Maybe we could have The Bounty Hunters' Guild to represtent Barbarians.

* Wookies should be used as a resource, since the empire uses them as slaves and the alliance uses them as warriors. We could also do this kind of thing with the Noghri as they change sides.

Wow he just blasted my list away!
I still think some of those I listed can be made into "minor" civilizations. <--dodgy eyes


Anyway, I attached a text file with a list city names, leaders, bonuses, etc... we could use for the "Big 4". If I screwed up on any of the names, missed an important planet, or the order just doesn't look right, someone can suggest what changes need to be made to the list if they want to.

What happened to all our old star wars mod sites? They'd be useful for us to organise our resources..... anyone want to start another one?

I got a link to the old website that tpasmall made --> http://www.strategyplanet.com/civilization/starwars/index.htm

The other one that's linked to my signature doesn't seem to exist anymore?

BTW, I don't really know how to make a web page, nor do I have the time, so I'm no help there.

Using Chris's earlier list of units, these are the units which i think should be made next, to supplement our current units:
- Generic Warrior
- Sandtrooper
- Emperor's Guard
- Rebel Jungle Commando
- Hoth Soldier
- Mon Cal Trooper
- Magma Guard (General Grevious' Bodyguard)
- Swoop bike
- Tauntaun Rider
- Geonosian mounted warrior
- Some animal riding clone unit
- TIE Crawler
- Rebel hover Tank
- Homing Spider Droid
- Rebel heavy tank
- Juggernaught
- Rebel Hover Transport
- AT-RT
- TIE advanced
- TIE Droid
- Tri-Fighter
[- Z-95 Headhunter]
- V-19 torrent
- V-Wing Fighter
- Jedi Interceptor
- ARC 170 Fighter
- Some rebel Landing Craft
- Droid Lander
- Theta Shuttle
- Medium Transport
- Carrack Cruiser
- Corellian Gunship
- Acclamator Class assault Ship
- Banking clan Frigate
- 3 x mon cal cruisers [MC-40; MC-80; MC-85]
- Techno Union Ship
- Commerce Guild Destroyer
- Venerator Star Destroyer
- Super Star Destroyer
- Providence Class Destroyer
- king units
- Shield Domes [they looked cool.....what happened to them?]

I hope i'm not asking too much, but with all these units made the game will be balanced and whatever...If you want, i'll put up my current progress, and see what you think of it?

Some of the units in your list have been done, but we could always use newer, improved versions of those units.

Right now I'm redoing my TIE Fighter and TIE Bomber units as they were crappy to begin with. However, my progress has been slow since I'm still learning OpenFX and Anim8or and I've had some frequent outside distractions from unit-making.

Once I get those done I'll prolly either do the Snowspeeder or Mon Cal Cruisers.

EDIT: Where's everyone else at? It seems like were back down to 2 members.

I still want to be a part of this mod, and I'll pop in with any questions or opinions I have, but I'm busy right now with finals and the LOTM Beta testing. After that, I'll try making units again too, probably ships for the Republic and Confederacy first.

I want to be a part of this mod also. I could do the incorporation of the units into the mod, since i can do that pretty quick, but I don't have the patience (or the utilities) to make the units. I think we may be able to use some units from the upcoming game Star Wars: Empire at War, but the units might be in a format that can't be used. Hopefully we can use the units, because they are some really good quality units for the Rebels and Empire.

Actually I'm planning on doing that for Civ4. That is if there is an easy way to convert units from SW: Empire at War to Civ4; however, Empire at War won't likely be released until late summer or fall.

no offense to all the unit creators, but don't most other creators make their units from scratch? isn't it kind of limiting to just use all the units from one or two star wars games?