Term 4 Judiciary-the carver court

Nobody · Jun 20, 2005

First one: Freedom of speach means you can say what ever you want as long as it dosent break the rules of the forum For example "This constitution sucks", freedom to assemble means you can make any group you want like the La Cosa Nostra. Freedom of movement means you can come and go from the demogame as much as you want.

Second one: No offical CoC, but in the old days there was, these days there isnt. But some presidents state one in the Turn chat threads

Black_Hole · Jun 20, 2005

Nobody said:
First one: Freedom of speach means you can say what ever you want as long as it dosent break the rules of the forum For example "This constitution sucks", freedom to assemble means you can make any group you want like the La Cosa Nostra. Freedom of movement means you can come and go from the demogame as much as you want.

Second one: No offical CoC, but in the old days there was, these days there isnt. But some presidents state one in the Turn chat threads

Saying the constitution sucks is legal, it is not breaking forum rules either... Otherwise Strider would have been banned multiplte times

zyxy · Jun 21, 2005

1. Note on procedure: I think the CJ first has to decide whether a JR "has merit" before the court actually deals with it.

2. The definition of freedom of speech given by Nobody conflicts with the majority opinion on the JR filed by classical_hero.

Nobody · Jun 21, 2005

Saying the constitution sucks is legal, it is not breaking forum rules either... Otherwise Strider would have been banned multiplte times

i know i was saying the right lets me say that. but if i was to say "Black_hole sucks" then it would be i think, of course its ok a it the truth.

mhcarver · Jun 21, 2005

I find that ZXYZ's request for Judicial review has merit and will be added to the docket as DGVIT4JR3

GenMarshall · Jun 21, 2005

Nobody said:
i know i was saying the right lets me say that. but if i was to say "Black_hole sucks" then it would be i think, of course its ok a it the truth.

But if you say that a particular person sucks, then thats treding into flame/trolling territory.

RegentMan · Jun 21, 2005

mhcarver said:
I find that ZXYZ's request for Judicial review has merit and will be added to the docket as DGVIT4JR3

Glad to see that I'm not the only one who has trouble with his name.

zyxy · Jun 21, 2005

Yeah, I don't like to be called DGVIT4JR3 either....

Black_Hole · Jun 21, 2005

mhcarver said:
I find that ZXYZ's request for Judicial review has merit and will be added to the docket as DGVIT4JR3

welcome back Mr. Carver!

mhcarver · Jun 21, 2005

zyxy has come before the court with the following question:

1.what constitutes the rights of freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, and freedom of movement

Freedom of speech
In this I agree with the PD that free speech means you can say anything as long as it is within the forum rules, however I would also like to add that as discussed in DGVIT4JR2 the freedom of speech also grants citizens the right to be able to weigh in on a discussion, meaning that becuase of timezones 24 hours as determined by the previous ruling is a realistic period that allows citizens to excercise their right to freedom of speech

Freedom of assembly
This is the right to form citizens groups with any purpose as long as they are within the forum rules

Freedom of movement
This is essentially the freedom that is given to anyone to come and go as they please with varying participation levels, this is not an excuse for an elected official who is not participating to stay in office, since they are bound by the constitution, it simply means that anyone who is a citizen does not forfeit that right by not being active.

DaveShack · Jun 21, 2005

Not that it matters for this JR, but...

A historical note on freedom of movement: At one time a citizen could be a "resident" of a particular city or province, for role play purposes. Freedom of movement was intended to allow people to move their "residence" and thus affect role play changes.

In a Civ4 DG, reports indicate that it is possible for several civs to play cooperatively with shared victory conditions. If we choose to play as several teams then freedom of movement might be construed as the ability to switch teams.

Nobody · Jun 22, 2005

2. The definition of freedom of speech given by Nobody conflicts with the majority opinion on the JR filed by classical_hero.

Come again?.

Does anyone else find it iritating that the constitution is in parts and it says the wrong nation name, since article K says no Law of japantica can conflict with the CFC rules, does that mean we can make laws that conflict with them? (of course Thunder fall would deploy national Guards (moderators)
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Public Defenders Ruling on DGVIT4JR3

What constitutes a right to assemble within the game?

This right guarantees that any Demogame citizens may create and join any citizen or other group with in the demogame.

What constitutes the right to free movement within the game?

This right guarantees that any Demogame citizen may join or leave the demogame as much as they like.

What constitutes the right to free speech within the game?

This right says that any Demogame citizen may say what ever they want in the Demogame forums as it dosent breach Article K. of the constitution. Also this gurantees the right of a citizen to take part in any discussion. To ensure this any discussion must be at least 24 hours long, so that its day time for everybody at least once.

Nobody · Jun 22, 2005

hey Civ General i think a The judge advocate you should say "your nicked son" to the criminals

Chieftess · Jun 22, 2005

DaveShack said:
Not that it matters for this JR, but...

A historical note on freedom of movement: At one time a citizen could be a "resident" of a particular city or province, for role play purposes. Freedom of movement was intended to allow people to move their "residence" and thus affect role play changes.

In a Civ4 DG, reports indicate that it is possible for several civs to play cooperatively with shared victory conditions. If we choose to play as several teams then freedom of movement might be construed as the ability to switch teams.

And those teams can be seen as semi-autonomous regions. One team could build up the army, while the other builds up gold to give to the other team for instance. (This was the origanal dream of the Game of Republic, BTW).

GenMarshall · Jun 22, 2005

What constitutes a right to assemble within the game?
This right give the right to citizens to forum and/or join citizen groups.

What constitutes the right to free movement within the game?
In older demogames, this relates to the citizens registry (under the option of city of residence). This gives the citizen the right to move from city to city without hassle. The freedom to join and leave the demogame is also applied to this category.

What constitutes the right to free speech within the game?
The freedom of speach within the demogame gives the citizen the right to say what ever is on their mind.

Black_Hole · Jun 22, 2005

Actually I would like to point something out to the justices, the right to freedom of speech guaranteed by the constitution should be the right to say anything. This JR is dealing with the Demogame rules not forum rules, moderators should be enforcing forum rules and not demogame rules, and vice versa.

This may not sound important but it is, if this JR is ruled this way then I can CC someone for what I think is flaming...

So I would describe freedom of speech as the right to post anything unless specifically outlawed in the constitution.

Nobody · Jun 23, 2005

Actually I would like to point something out to the justices, the right to freedom of speech guaranteed by the constitution should be the right to say anything. This JR is dealing with the Demogame rules not forum rules, moderators should be enforcing forum rules and not demogame rules, and vice versa.

This may not sound important but it is, if this JR is ruled this way then I can CC someone for what I think is flaming...

So I would describe freedom of speech as the right to post anything unless specifically outlawed in the constitution.

No your wrong. If someone breaks the Forum rules inside the Demogame, then they are also breaking the demogame rules Article K. So really someone could CC someone if they have broken the Forum rules even if the moderators have done nothing.

Black_Hole · Jun 23, 2005

Nobody said:
No your wrong. If someone breaks the Forum rules inside the Demogame, then they are also breaking the demogame rules Article K. So really someone could CC someone if they have broken the Forum rules even if the moderators have done nothing.

how so?

Code:

Article K.  The Constitution, laws and standards of Japanatica can 
            never be contrary to the rules and regulations of the 
            Civfanatics forums.  Moderators may veto any such 
            constitutional amendments, laws or standards.

Article K says that our laws cannot break forum rules.... So this means I can CC someone for flaming?!?
So by flaming, I am somehow making our laws contrary to the forum rules?!? Your logic is puzzling me...

GenMarshall · Jun 23, 2005

Black_Hole said:
how so?

Code:

Article K. The Constitution, laws and standards of Japanatica can never be contrary to the rules and regulations of the Civfanatics forums. Moderators may veto any such constitutional amendments, laws or standards.

Article K says that our laws cannot break forum rules.... So this means I can CC someone for flaming?!?
So by flaming, I am somehow making our laws contrary to the forum rules?!? Your logic is puzzling me...

I would leave the CFC rules to the discression of the mods, especialy our Demogame mods. Pesonaly, I wont CC a person for flaming. Insted, I hit the little

button and the mods take care of the rest. The Judicary handles the Demogame Laws and Rules and the Demogame Mods handles the CFC Laws and Rules.

Nobody · Jun 23, 2005

Article K says that our laws cannot break forum rules

So that means that if you break the forum rules you are also breaking the demogame rules, although to CC someone would be silly, thats the mods job.

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