Missing Civilizations

Thanks Tunch Khan for clearing up the Gallipoli thing.
Yes i am Australian. ANZAC stands for Australian and New Zealand Army Corps. Its not a grim thing, anzac day is just our war memorial day.

I'm not really sure if its really a unique unit, it was what we called our army. Not a paticular unit.

Civilization : Australia

Leader : Robert Menzies (er...conservative ish???)
Bob Hawke (er...leftish, populist kind of guy???)
Gough Whitlam

Capital : Canberra

Flag : Current Flag :Union Jack in left Corner on blue background with southern cross
OR (warning:contentious): Eureka Flag

Starting Techs : Agriculture, Horseback Riding

Great Scientists : Sir Howard Florey
Sir Frank MacFarlane Burnet

Great Merchants : Rupert Murdoch
Dick Smith

Great Prophets :

Great Artists : Banjo Patterson
Don Bradman

Great Engineers : John Bradfield

Unique Unit : The Light Horse (Cavallry australia cleared the turks out of egypt the middle east with in World War 1)

Cities :
Sydney
Melbourne
Adelaide
Brisbane
Darwin
Perth
Hobart
Newcastle
Wollongong
Dubbo
Alice Springs
Geelong
Alice Springs
Cairns
Townsville
Launceston
Broken Hill
Tamworth
Lismore
Nowra
Wagga Wagga
Coffs Harbour
Rockhampton
Mildura
Mackay
Toowoomba
Mount Isa
Bendigo
Gosford
Coonawarra
Broome
Katherine
Mount Gambier
Iron Knob (no seriously)
Oodnadatta
Port Augusta

I think Initals J.A. hit Australia right on the head. I agree with the choice of leaders having a Right, Central and Left Leaders is a good idea. Maybe putting George Pell as a Great Prophet. I really would not know any others.

I would put the Voyageur as the Canadian UU. Mounties are police, not military.

Mounties are tres cool though, so I suppose some ahistorical units can be forgiven in the name of fun factor.

I would pick CEF Infantry for the Canadian UU.

Tunch Khan said:

Montcalme - Organised and aggresive

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Montcalme was a general, not a leader.

Civilization
Canada

Leader
Sir John A. MacDonald - Expansive(Westward expansion), Creative(Confederation)
Lester B. Pearson - Creative(Maple leaf flag), Philosophical(Nobel Prize)
Pierre Trudeau - Not sure of the traits

UU
CEF Infantry

Cities
Ottawa
Toronto
Montréal
Vancouver
Calgary
Edmonton
Québec
Winnipeg
Hamilton
London
Kitchener
St.Catharines
Halifax
Victoria
Windsor
Oshawa
Saskatoon
Regina
St. John's
Sudbury
Chicoutimi
Sherbrooke
Barrie
Kelowna
Abbotsford
Kingston
Trois-Rivières
Saint John
Thunder Bay
Moncton
Guelph
Sydney
Chatham
Peterborough
Sarnia
Belleville
Kamloops
Brantford
Nanaimo
Prince George
Fredericton
Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu
Sault Ste. Marie
Chilliwack
Kawartha
Drummondville
Red Deer
Lethbridge
North Bay
Medicine Hat

Flag
Red maple leaf on white background

My list for a Canadian civ.

Tunch Khan said:

Hi Latvian "Hound", thanks for the info, can you post also about the leader traits too? I'll soon start working on other leaders as well.

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Hi,
I think Agicultural and Scientific

Initals J.A. said:

Thanks Tunch Khan for clearing up the Gallipoli thing.
Yes i am Australian. ANZAC stands for Australian and New Zealand Army Corps. Its not a grim thing, anzac day is just our war memorial day.

I'm not really sure if its really a unique unit, it was what we called our army. Not a paticular unit.

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Sure thing, Turks still respect the memories of Australian and New Zealander bravery and humanity even though they were initially an invasion force (contrary to other invading forces).

SuperBeaverInc. said:

I would pick CEF Infantry for the Canadian UU.

Montcalme was a general, not a leader.

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I am not an expert on Canada yet, but i'm trying to gather the most popular ones. It's ok if majority of Canadians feel like Montcalme doesn't represent their civilization, then we'll drop him to the bottomless pit of forgotten generals . Otherwise Hannibal was just a general too, not a ruler. And god knows how many generals did in fact become kings or presidents when the wind was blowing in the right direction
Julius Caesar, Napoleon, Ataturk, Franco, Washington and so on...

Civilization: Philippines

Leaders:

Emilio Aguinaldo (The First President, declared independence in Philippines, Confident and Perfectionist)
Ferdinand E. Marcos (President for 20 years, Very Wise and Very Intelligent)
Corazon C. Aquino (The First Female President, Cunning and Smart)

Great Scientists: Gregorio Zara, Pedro Escuro, Agapito Flores, Pedro Flores, Jose Rodriguez, Carmen Velasquez, Daniel Dingel, Fe del Mundo, Roberto del Rosario, Eduardo San Juan

Heroes: Jose Rizal, Ferdinand Magellan, Gregorio Del Pilar, Tandang Sora, Andres Bonifacio, Marcelo Del Pilar, Apolinario Mabini, Lapu-Lapu, Gomburza

Starting Techs: Agriculture & Hunting

Flag Description: Two equal horizontal bands of blue (top) and red with a white equilateral triangle based on the hoist side; in the center of the triangle is a yellow sun with eight primary rays (each containing three individual rays) and in each corner of the triangle is a small yellow five-pointed star. Actual Flag: http://www.msc.edu.ph/centennial/g10.gif

Unique Unit: Philippine Special Ops Infantry

Capital: Manila

Cities: (Using Provinces, because there's too many Cities)

Manila
Cebu
Agusan del Norte
Albay
Basilan
Bataan
Batangas
Benguet
Bohol
Bukidnon
Bulacan
Cagayan
Camarines Sur
Capiz
Cavite
Cotabato
Davao
Davao del Sur
Ilocos Norte
Ilocos Sur
Iloilo
Isabela
La Union
Laguna
Lanao del Norte
Lanao del Sur
Leyte province
Maguindanao
Masbate
Misamis Occidental
Misamis Oriental
Negros Occidental
Negros Oriental
Nueva Ecija
Oriental Mindoro
Palawan Puerto
Pampanga
South Cotabato
Zamboanga del Norte
Zamboanga del Sur

Civilization: The Netherlands/Holland (United Provinces/Kingdom of the Netherlands) - preferred forms of government: Republic/Constitutional Monarchy, one of the great colonial powers that dominated the 17th century with it's wealth and naval power.

Leaders:

William of Orange - Father of the fatherland
Queen Wilhelmina - Dutch monarch during WW2
Johan de Wit - Stadthouder and opponent of the aristocratic House of Orange-Nassau (current royal family)

Great Scientists:
Christiaan Huygens, Anton van Leeuwenhoek, Anthony Fokker, Jan Swammerdam, Desiderius Erasmus, Baruch Spinoza


Heroes: Michiel de Ruyter, Maarten Tromp, Karel Doorman, Piet Hein, Cornelis Tromp, Maurits van Nassau, Gaius Julius Civilis (batavian chieftain/rebel),

Artists: Vincent van Gogh, Rembrandt van Rijn, Johannes Vermeer,
Piet Mondriaan, Frans Hals, M.C. Escher, Karel Appel, Paul Verhoeven


Starting Techs: Agriculture & Fishing(?)

Flag Description: Three horizontal bands, Red-White-Blue (from top to bottom), historically: Orange-White-Blue. It's the oldest flag in use.

Unique Unit: This would most likely have to be a naval vessel, both the British and the Dutch lay claim to inventing the Battle of the Line, naval tactics, so a ship of the line could be an option, alternatively a dutch merchantmant (fluyt?), which could be faster and having more hitpoints.

Capital: Amsterdam

Cities:
Rotterdam
Den Haag (The Hague)
Utrecht (roman era: Trajectum ad Rhenum)
Leiden
Dordrecht
Nijmegen (roman era: Ulpia Noviomagus)
Delft
Alkmaar
Groningen
Vlissingen
Den Helder
Eindhoven
Den Bosch
Amersfoort
Leeuwarden
Enschede
Zandvoort
Texel
Zwolle
Maastricht
Venlo
Hilversum
Bussum
Naarden
Nieuw-Amsterdam (modern day new york)
Fort Orange/Oranje (albany)
Curacao/Willemstad
St.Maarten
Aruba
Paramaribo
Batavia (Jakarta)
Johannesburg
Nieuwegein
Almere
Breda
Vlaardingen
Batavodorum (roman era, Batavii/Batavian capital)
Tilburg
Helmond
Zaanstad
Arnhem
Assen
Hoorn
Hengelo
Almelo
Ede
Doetinchem
Lelystad
Zeist
Roosendaal
Bergen op Zoom

(note: these cities are not in historical order, and are incomplete, if anyone feels like adding anything feel free to do so)

lawine said:

Civilization: The Netherlands/Holland (United Provinces/Kingdom of the Netherlands) - preferred forms of government: Republic/Constitutional Monarchy, one of the great colonial powers that dominated the 17th century with it's wealth and naval power.

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Welcome to CFC lawine

I just modded the Dutch with William of Orange in (see thread I started; I gave him agriculture and fishing as starting techs btw ); the mod still needs work on a lot of things, but I feel I understand how the files work together.

I've started a Canada mod thread for anyone interested.

Tunch Khan, thanks for getting the ball rolling here.

Don't mean to be critical but Austri-Hungary was never a cilvilization!!! The two Empires were joined thru marriage but later the Hungarians revolted (somewhat unsuccesfully) and where able to control their own country while still being part of the Empire. (That is what the Serbs where trying to do when the first world war came around.) And in the end Hungary got screwed over and had 2/3 of their land taken from them. (After WWI that is)
Sorry, didn't mean to give a history lesson but since being a Hungarian it does push my buttons in a not so good way. Hungary should be added in but please do some researche before you do. Thank you.

What I was thinking was that we could get an extensive list of civilizations, including the ones used as barbarians, then include every civ's capital as a barbarian city. That way every major power gets a chance to be represented in each game of civ. Maybe include each regional power (e.g. Rome and Etruria, Germany and Austria, and Mali, Ghana, and Songhay, etc.)

varwnos said:

Hm, perhaps August Strindberg would be a more reasonable choice than Abba, for the swedish civ Also i think that Knut Hamsun was swedish too.

For a scandinavian civ you could also add Ibsen and Grieg

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Since Hamsun decided to support the nazis during WW2, most norwegians might think we're better of if the world believes he's swedish. But he's not. Born and bread norwegian. Great author. Him and Vidkun Quisling are by many considered traitors and the black sheep of Norway. http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/khamsun.htm

Other norwegian/scandinavian characters

Thor Heyerdahl - Great adventurer = scientist/engineer (the raft and viking boat replica)
Fridtjof Nansen - Great explorer = scientist
Leif Ericson - Discovered America(theoretically) = scientist or merchant
Roald Amundsen - First man to the south pole = scientist/engineer
Niels Abel - mathematician = scientist
Edvard Munch - "The Scream" = artist
Henrik Ibsen - playwright = artist
Edvard Grieg - composer = artist
Sonia Henie - skater/moviestar (became american at age of 29) = artist
Liv Ullman - Actress/Director/Writer/Humanitarian = artist

For those doing mods, these links might help
http://www.mnc.net/norway/
http://www.sweden.se/templates/cs/SASTopic____2410.aspx?launched=true

cities that could be added of historic value Christiania(became Oslo), Bergen (trade), Stavanger (oil)

Looks like you guys have a nice place here at civfanatics. Just joined, 1st post. Hi all!

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Chris

Montcalme - Organised and aggresive

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I said same thing on an 'old' thread for québec... made the same mistake... However i did a little search and learned that he was a french military officer, and was only called to Québec because the other died or something... She he didn't do much leading in quebec, just faught some battles and lost in the historic battle on the 'plaines d'abrahams'. Before that, he just faught in europe... Historic? yeah. Worthy of being a military leader (like in civ 3)? Yeah. Worthy of being a leader for a civ? Nah...

Oh well, back to my search of appropriate leaders for Québec...

I have't read all 7 pages and it may already be in here, but here's my suggestion for The Netherlands, as complete as I can think of.

Official Name: The Kingdom of The Netherlands
Short Official Name: The Netherlands
Adjective: Dutch



First Leader.
Name: William of Orange.
Stats: Financial, Organized
Govt: Favors Heredtary Rule

Second Leader.
Name: Wilhelmina of Orange-Nassau
Stats: Financial, Industrious
Govt: Favors Representation.

Capital : Amsterdam

Flag : Three horizontal banners equal in size of red, white and blue.

Color : Orange (National Color)

Starting Techs : Fishing, Agriculture, Sailing.

Great Persons:

There are 5 Great persons in each category. I can probably dig through history a bit more to find more, but I think 5 per category should work.

Great Scientists:
Jacobus Cornelius Kapteyn - Astronomer
Jan Hendrik Oort - Astronomer, discovered the Oort Cloud.
Desiderius Erasmus - Scientist and Philosopher
Christiaan Huygens - Atronomer, discovered te rings of Saturn.
Anton van Leeuwenhoek - Biologist, discovered bacteria.


Great Merchants:
Pieter Both - Merchant & Governor General for the VOC in East Asia, 1619
Adriaen Block - Merchant trading in the Hudson Bay in the 16th century.
Pieter van den Broeck - Discoverer and Merchant, East Africa and Asia.
Jacob van Heemskerck - Famous merchant that sailed on Asia.
Johan van Oldebarnevelt - One of the founders of the VOC.

Great Prophets:
Servatius - One of the first to spread Christianity to The Neterlands around 350
Bonifatius - Missionary, killed in 754 in Friesland
Willibrord - Bishop, first Bishop of Utrecht in 695
Benedictus Spinoza - Philosopher of the 17th century
Isaac Beeckman - Philosopher of the 16th century

Great Artists:
Rembrandt van Rhijn - Painter
Vincent van Gogh - Painter
Joost van den Vondel - Poet
Constantijn Huygens - Writer
Jan Steen - Painter

Great Engineers:
Jan Adriaanszoon Leeghwater - Architect of landreclaiming in the 17th century
Cornelis Lely - Architect of the "Zuiderzeewerken", a land reclaiming project.
Jacob van Campen - Architect of the Royal Palace in Amsterdam.
Hendrik Petrus Berlage - Architect of the late 19th and early 20th century.
Johan van Veen - First architect of the Deltaworks.

Military Heroes: (I am not sure if these are usefull in Civ 4)

Maarten Hartperszoon Tromp - 17th century Admiral
Michiel de Ruyter - 17th century Admiral
Piet Heyn - Privateer in the early 17th century
Bernhard van Lippe-Biesterfeld - Prince, Commander of the Free Dutch Forces in WW 2.
Nicolaes Ruychaver - Leader of the "Geuzen", resistance movement against the Spanish occupation.





Unique Unit:
Name: VOC Galleon
Stats: Move 5 tiles, Carry 4 units (normal Galleon is 4/3)
History: The VOC Galleon represents the Golden Age of The Netherlands, the 17th century, when the worlds first cooperation VOC (East India Company) operated traderoutes all over the globe and had perfected their ships to carry as much goods possible at the fastest speed possible at the lowest cost possible. The VOC Galleon becomes obsolete with the arrival of the Transport.

Cities :

Amsterdam
Rotterdam
Den Haag
Utrecht
Haarlem
Leiden
Delft
Gouda
Den Bosch
Amersfoort
Zwolle
Maastricht
Eindhoven
Leeuwarden
Groningen
Arnhem
Deventer
Breda
Nijmegen
Hilversum
Tilburg
Alkmaar
Middelburg
Venlo
Enschede
Assen
Vlissingen
Apeldoorn
Emmen
Zutphen
Harlingen
Den Helder
Hoorn
Hoek van Holland
Heerlen
Hoogeveen
Drachten
Goes
Delfzijl
Zoetermeer
Emmeloord
Lelystad
Nieuwegein
Almere
Dronten


I am not too good with all this XML stuf, but please someone use all of this information and work it out

ETHIOPIA
Leader : Empress Zawditu - Industrious, favors Organized Religion
Leader : Menelik I - Creative, favors Organized Religion

Capital : Addis Ababa

Flag : Golden Star on dark green

Starting Techs : Writing and Agriculture

Great Scientists : ??

Great Merchants : ??

Great Prophets : ??

Great Artists : ??

Great Engineers : ??

Unique Unit : Javelineer

Cities :

Addis Ababa
Dire Dawa
Gonder
Nazret
Harer
Dese
Adwa
Mek'ele
Bahir Dar
Jima
Degeh Bur
Jijiga
Tendaho
Ginir
Goba
Debre Birhan
Weldiya
Asela
Kibre Mengist
Debre Zeyit
Fiche
Aksum
Awasa
Yirga Che'fe
Dila
Debre Mark'os
Arba Minch'
Tarch'a Sodo
Dangila
Nek'emte
Bako
Gimbi
Metu
Gore
Guba
Mendi
Dembi Dolo

Please suggest leader traits, and great leaders. The ones I have listed here are the basic initial suggestions.

Civilization: Québec

Leader : Louis-Joseph Papineau (Philosophical and Oraganised? (lacking better traits...)), favors Nationhood
René Levesque (Philosophical, Organised), favors Nationhood

Capital : Québec

Flag : (Québec's flag)

Starting Techs : Agriculture and Mysticism

Great Scientists :

Great Merchants :

Great Prophets : Monseigneur de Laval

Great Artists :

Great Engineers :

Unique Unit : Patriote, or, at worst, Voyageur

Cities : Okay, here starts the LIST (I think i have em ALL... 3 main cities at top, rest are divided according to their 'région administrative')
Québec (capital)
Trois-Rivières
Montréal

Isle-Verte
Kamouraska
Témiscouata
Packington
Price
Saint-Hubert-de-Rivière-du-Loup
La Pocatière
Pohénégamook
Saint-Fabien
Région Rivière-du-Loup
Saint-Alexandre-de-Kamouraska
Sainte-Luce
Saint-François-Xavier-de-Viger
Saint-Joseph
Saint-Pacôme
Saint-Paul-de-la-Croix
St-Clément
Amqui
Cabano
Dégelis
Matane
Mont-Joli
Rimouski
Rivière-du-Loup
Saint-Pascal

Maria-Chapdelaine
Ferland-et-Boilleau
Lac-Kénogami
Sainte-Jeanne-d'Arc
Saint-Honoré
Saint-Prime
Shipshaw
L'Anse-Saint-Jean
Saint-Ambroise
Saint-Charles-de-Bourget
Saint-David-de-Falardeau
Sainte-Rose-du-Nord
Saint-Félicien
Saint-Fulgence
Saint-Thomas-Didyme
Domaine-du-Roy
Maria-Chapdelaine
Alma
Métabetchouan
Roberval
Saguenay

Champigny-Chauveau
Éboulements
Charlevoix
Boischatel
Saint-Augustin-de-Desmaures
Saint-Tite-des-Caps
Neuville
Sainte-Brigitte-de-Laval
Saint-Léonard
Fossambault-sur-le-Lac
Saint-Basile
Saint-Raymond
Wendake

Batiscan
Haut Saint-Maurice
Paroisse de Lac-aux-Sables
Sainte-Thècle
Saint-Stanislas
St-Luc-de-Vincennes
Trois-Rives
Yamachiche
Shawinigan

Austin
Sutton
Melbourne
Frelighsburg
Granit
Haut-Saint-François
Bolton-Est
Bonsecours
Brigham
Lambton
Racine
Saint-Augustin-de-Woburn
Saint-Ludger
Orford
Richmond
Rock Forest
Shefford
Sherbrooke
Stanstead
Asbestos
Coaticook
Cowansville
Danville
Dunham
Farnham
Valcourt

Sainte-Geneviève
Lachine
LaSalle
Sainte-Anne-de-Bellevue
Saint-Laurent
Saint-Pierre
Mont-Royal

Boileau
Cantley
Chénéville
Lac-Des-Plages
Maniwaki
Masson-Angers
Montebello
Papineau
Collines-de-l'Outaouais
Duhamel
L'Ange-Gardien
Messines
Plaisance
Val-des-Monts
Wakefield
Gatineau
Hull

Latulipe
Vallée-de-l'Or
Béarn
Cléricy
Rémigny
Senneterre Paroisse
Notre-Dame-du-Nord
Saint-Bruno-de-Guigues
La Sarre
Malartic
Rouyn-Noranda
Senneterre
Val-d'Or

Bergeronnes
Minganie
Ragueneau
Escoumins
Portneuf-sur-Mer
Tadoussac
Baie-Comeau

Lebel-sur-Quévillon
Baie-James
Chapais
Matagami

Carleton sur mer
Îles-de-la-Madeleine
Caplan
Grande-Vallée
Maria
New Richmond

Beaulac-Garthby
Cap-Saint-Ignace
Chutes-de-la-Chaudière
Lévis
Lotbinière
Montmagny
Etchemins
Dosquet
Laurier-Station
Saint-Apollinaire
Sainte-Claire
Sainte-Perpétue
Saint-Henri
Saint-Flavien
Saint-Antoine-de-Tilly
Sainte-Sabine de Bellechasse
Saint-Fortunat
Saint-Georges de Beauce
Saint-Raphaël
Disraeli
Sainte-Marie
Thetford Mines
Saint-Joseph-de-Beauce

Laval

L'Épiphanie
Crabtree
Joliette
D'Autray
Matawinie
Montcalm
Chertsey
Saint-Calixte
Saint-Charles-Borromée
Saint-Cuthbert
Saint-Damien
Sainte-Élisabeth
Sainte-Julienne
Saint-Jacques de Montcalm
Saint-Jean-de-Matha
Saint-Norbert
Saint-Thomas
Comté de L'Assomption
Notre-Dame-des-Prairies
Rawdon
Saint-Côme
Saint-Liguori
Saint-Michel-des-Saints
Sainte-Émélie de L'Énergie
Charlemagne
L'Assomption
Repentigny
Saint-Lin-Laurentides
Terrebonne

Boisbriand
Gore
Antoine-Labelle
Argenteuil
Rivière-du-Nord
Labelle
Lac-Nominingue
Lac-Saguay
La Minerve
Piedmont
Saint-Adolphe-D'Howard
Saint-Placide
Val-David
Val-Morin
Wentworth-Nord
Saint-Faustin-Lac-Carré
Notre-Dame du Laus
Prévost
Saint-Colomban
Sainte-Adèle
Saint-Eustache
Blainville
Deux-Montagnes
Mirabel
Mont-Tremblant
Rosemère
Sainte-Anne-des-Plaines
Sainte-Thérèse
Saint-Jérôme
Sainte-Marthe-sur-le-Lac

Saint-Basile-le-Grand
Varennes
Beauharnois
Longueuil
Sainte-Catherine
Saint-Constant
Delson
Marieville
McMasterville
Acton
Beauharnois-Salaberry
Bas-Richelieu
Lacolle
Noyan
Rigaud
Saint-Alexandre
Saint-Amable
Saint-Charles-sur-Richelieu
Sainte-Martine
Venise-en-Québec
Notre-Dame-de-Stanbridge
Maskoutaine
Richelieu
Roxton Falls
Saint-Antoine-sur-Richelieu
Saint-Lazare
Saint-Paul-d'Abbotsford
Saint-Paul-de-l'Île-aux-Noix
Saint-Pie
Saint-Pierre-de-Véronne-à-Pike-River
Suroît
Verchères
Beloeil
Boucherville
Bromont
Brossard
Candiac
Chambly
Châteauguay
Contrecoeur
Delson
Granby
La Prairie
Saint-Constant
Sainte-Julie
Saint-Hyacinthe
Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu
Saint-Joseph-de-Sorel
Salaberry-de-Valleyfield
Sorel
Vaudreuil-Dorion
Waterloo
Otterburn Park
Mont-Saint-Hilaire

Princeville
Aston-Jonction
Baie-du-Febvre
Nicolet-Yamaska
Drummond
Grand-Saint-Esprit
Saint-Charles-de-Drummond
Saint-Ferdinand
Saint-Léonard d'Aston
Wickham
Notre-Dame-du-Bon-Conseil
Plessisville
Saint-Célestin
Sainte-Eulalie
Bécancour
Drummondville


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Okay, whew, a huge list... Since you insisted, i've got smaller lists below... And I'll have you know i copied each one of those names ONE AT A TIME! And i allowed myself to add the name of my city even though it merged... I derserve it for doing that list

Okay... the UU... As you can see, i put a few there... First of all, the Coureur des Bois is unacceptable! They where smugglers that sold the furs from french territory to the english and they should hardly be Québec's UU. However, the Voyageur did pretty much the same stuff but legally... Still, i prefer the Patriote, they fought against all odds, and still managed to gain a victory, even though the church opposed them (in that time, if they threated excommunication it was scary), and they still remain a source of inspiration of souvraignists today.

For an alternate flag, the Patriote's flag could also be used...

Okay, i will post a shorter city list now...

Some dude said:

Québec
Trois-Rivières
Montréal
Laval
Gaspé
Sept-Iles
Lévis
St-Jérome
St-Eustache
Chicoutimi
Gatineau
Ste-Thérèse
St-Benoit
Terrebonne
Hull
Rosemère
Boisbriand
St-Agathe
Longueil
Brossard
Sherbrooke
Drummondville
Alma
Fermont
Ste-Foy
Shefferville
Rouyn-Noranda
Chibougamau
Deux-Montagne
Oka
La Tuque
Victoriaville
Joliette
La Malbaie

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Or, to limit it to the administrative regions... (which I compiled)

Me said:

Québec
Montréal
Bas-Saint-Laurent
Saguenay-Lac-Saint-Jean
Mauricie
Estrie
Outaouais
Abitibi-Timiscamingue
Côte-Nord
Nord-du-Québec
Gaspésie
Chaudière-Appalaches
Laval
Lanaudière
Laurentides
Montérégie

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Edited on 2-5-06 to compile and revise some information