Turkish MOD - Turks as a playable civilization

amazing, great fast work. keep it up!

It's really nice that people are already creating for Civ4. I've been away from the Civ world for quite a while but Civ4 had brought me back. Sorry for the responsibilities I've neglected since.

Please don't criticize people for lacking graphics this close to launch. It's just dumb.

However, if any graphics do come out, an updated version would certainly be welcomed, the Turks are also one of my favorite missing civs.

Thanks!

BTW, can you add religions in this?

thanks man, i didnt actually use your mod yet, but it helped me in my own, i couldnt figure out why my new flags werent displaying properly, but with your files as a reference i got it right! your a genious!

bah, it told me i wasnt logged in which made me make a double post

Isak said:

If someone can find good images of Suleyman and Mehmed II, I can make some 'placeholder' static Leaderhead files, until the real artists come along.

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That would be better

Isak said:

If someone can find good images of Suleyman and Mehmed II, I can make some 'placeholder' static Leaderhead files, until the real artists come along.

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Right now I'm counting on Civ Army's leaderheads and seeing how that turns out otherwise I'd love to have static leaderheads at least for the right feeling. Both Mehmed II and Suleyman I have great portraits.

MEHMED II


SULEYMAN I THE MAGNIFICENT

One leader should be Suleiman the Magnificent, and the other Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.

One would represent the medieval and post-renaissance eras, and one the modern face of Turkey.

As much as I'd love to have some of the Seljuk leaders in there too, I think it's a better call to have these two as the leaders for now.


(And I STILL CAN'T BELIEVE that Firaxis has ONCE AGAIN left the Turks out of the game!)

SpincruS said:

One leader should be Suleiman the Magnificent, and the other Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.

One would represent the medieval and post-renaissance eras, and one the modern face of Turkey.

As much as I'd love to have some of the Seljuk leaders in there too, I think it's a better call to have these two as the leaders for now.


(And I STILL CAN'T BELIEVE that Firaxis has ONCE AGAIN left the Turks out of the game!)

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You give me the leaderheads, and i'll even mod Ibrahim, the Crazy into the game. I was counting on Civ Army.1984's work on these leaders, but until then, some static placeholders should be fine as well.

I prefer static leader heads to poorly made animated ones anyday. I dunno about anyone else, but I just couldn't stomache the user made animated leader heads from Civ 3 (no offence to those who put hard work into them!)

Greek Plunder said:

I agree. I don't want a Chinese civilization named after a specific Chinese dynasty, I want it being called the Chinese.

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You mean like how Westerners call the nation China after the Qin (pronounced "chin") dynasty?

Greek Plunder said:

I prefer static leader heads to poorly made animated ones anyday. I dunno about anyone else, but I just couldn't stomache the user made animated leader heads from Civ 3 (no offence to those who put hard work into them!)

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CivArmy's leaderheads are usually pretty good, i don't see any problems with them. Maybe give some constructive criticism, so he can make 'em better, not just criticise for nothing

Updated the MOD with the new version after adding Static leaderheads and Ataturk as a thid leader. You can download the new version from the first post on this thread. For those who prefer the 3-D graphics of Geghiz and Saladin instead of Static ones, the old beta version will still be available in the attachment on this post. Thank you very much for all the feedback and comments and please keep them coming as you enjoy the Mod. I am still going to work on diplo scripts, other aspects and eventually add 3-D graphics as soon as they become available. Once everything is polished, I might try adding a few other civs as well depending on the progress of other modding projects in this forum. Cheers.

Depravo said:

No. Tunch is right, C3C was wrong... calling the Turkish civilisation 'Ottoman' would be like calling the English civ 'Tudor'. Ottoman is the dynasty, Turkish is the culture. And you wouldn't want your liberal democratic Turkish civ named after the imperial house.

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I totally disagree, the Ottoman Empire is one thing and the Republic of Turkey is a completely different thing

I dont have a clue of why you think 'Ottoman' was a dynasty, the Ottoman Empire was ruled by the Osmanli Dynasty.

Under this logic you could put Mussolini as a leader of the roman empire, Saddam as a leader of the (if ever created) Babylonian empire and Khomeini as a Leader of the Persians !

Nice work by the way!

Fëanor said:

I totally disagree, the Ottoman Empire is one thing and the Republic of Turkey is a completely different thing

I dont have a clue of why you think 'Ottoman' was a dynasty, the Ottoman Empire was ruled by the Osmanli Dynasty.

Under this logic you could put Mussolini as a leader of the roman empire, Saddam as a leader of the (if ever created) Babylonian empire and Khomeini as a Leader of the Persians !

Nice work by the way!

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Thanks for the comments. On a side note tho; Ottoman is the English word for Osmanli. Turks have always called their ancient state as Osmanli Imparatorlugu (Empire). Ottomans were a dynasty, named after their founder Osman I (Othman in English).

It is true that Ottomans (as we call for short) were more of a multi ethnic and multi religious empire, however, Osman's family was a member of Kayi Tribe, a branch of Oghuz Turks (Western Turks). Seljuks and Safavids of Perisa were also names of other Oghuz Turk dynasties. Azeri's too are Oghuz turks (as well as Avsars), but their names come from the land they have settled. Mameluks of Egypt are another Turkish class of rulers, but I'm not clear on their specific tribe. Contrary to the common belief that they were Mongols, Mughals of India were also another Turkish speaking family that ruled northern India for centuries. (Babur thought it would be cooler to trace his ancestry to Genghiz Khan like his ancestor Tamerlane (Timur Lenk), as they were not at best terms with Ottomans since the Battle of Ankara, 1402)

It is for these reasons that I have modded Turks instead of Ottomans, as Turks are a larger family of peoples while Ottomans are only one of the states that they have founded. Timur (which means Iron in Turkish and refers to Timur - Lenk, victor of Ankara Battle) is still a popular name in modern Turkish Republic, as well as Alparslan (Seljuk victor of Manzikert), Selcuk, Fatih (nickname of Mehmed II, meaning conqueror) and Yildirim (nickname of Bayezid I, looser of the Battle of Ankara, translates into thunderbolt).

F&#235 said:

I totally disagree, the Ottoman Empire is one thing and the Republic of Turkey is a completely different thing

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Obviously, which is why it's stupid to name the civ in such a way as to tie it to a single period of Turkish history.

I dont have a clue of why you think 'Ottoman' was a dynasty, the Ottoman Empire was ruled by the Osmanli Dynasty.

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Aye, but the word 'Ottoman' comes from the same root. I would have mentioned this if I'd thought there was any chance someone would not realise what I was getting at.

Could you add Tamerlane as a leader. For sure, this would portray that these are not just Ottoman Turks. Babur is another good choice, although I do see him more as an Indian Leader (for obvious reasons). Tamerlane and Suleiman are my favorites.

Crash757 said:

Maybe give some constructive criticism, so he can make 'em better, not just criticise for nothing

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Wow, talk about the pot calling the kettle black.


To the op, thanks for the mod, plan on playing a game with them tonight.

Crayton said:

Could you add Tamerlane as a leader. For sure, this would portray that these are not just Ottoman Turks. Babur is another good choice, although I do see him more as an Indian Leader (for obvious reasons). Tamerlane and Suleiman are my favorites.

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I agree Tamerlane can be a good choice for Turks.He made an enormous empire if the angel of dead did't visit him probably he would conquer China

Depravo said:

Obviously, which is why it's stupid to name the civ in such a way as to tie it to a single period of Turkish history.

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well IMHO (and with no offense meant to the creator) its stupid to label an ethnicity as a civilization and use leaders of other civilizations as their leaders....

By the way, if you unpak the Art0.pak file there is an unit called the Companion Cavalry (\art\units\scenario\companion_cavalry) that might make a good and thruly unique unit (since its not in the standard game).

Crayton said:

Could you add Tamerlane as a leader. For sure, this would portray that these are not just Ottoman Turks. Babur is another good choice, although I do see him more as an Indian Leader (for obvious reasons). Tamerlane and Suleiman are my favorites.

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Uhm, didn't Tamerlane invade Turkey and capture the Turkish Sultan? Adding him as the leader of Turks would be an equivalent of making Alexander of Macedon the leader of Persia.