LK108 - India, Warlord, just win baby

Wow, back to me already. I was going to log some GOTM49 time tonight but I'll do this first.
 
I did not get anytime to play tonight, I can play tomorrow night after 6pm EST. so Eotinb if you have time to play before that go ahead.
 
I'm playing now.
 
The 1790AD save

The short details - got 2 Great Artist

LK108_05.jpg


I wasn't sure Rock n Roll was the best build, it gives culture but may take too long to complete. Please review it and possibly change it.

The Long Version
Spoiler :

Turn 420 (1770 AD)
Jalal al-Din Rumi (Great Artist) born in Madras - cult
Calcutta finishes: Bank
Karachi grows: 7
Barcelona finishes: Aqueduct
Thermopylae finishes: Factory
Sparta grows: 14
Sparta finishes: Observatory

Turn 421 (1772 AD)
Calcutta begins: Infantry
Barcelona begins: Infantry
Thermopylae begins: Bank
Sparta begins: Courthouse
Hinduism has spread: Los Angeles (American Empire)
Gator: Move GA to Bangalore (lowest cpt city)
Bangalore - cul finishes: Castle
Lahore finishes: Bank
Madrid grows: 20
Santiago finishes: Factory
Apache finishes: Observatory
Munich finishes: Granary

Turn 422 (1774 AD)
Lahore begins: Infantry
Santiago begins: Christian Missionary
Apache begins: Infantry
Munich begins: Confucian Temple
Bangalore - cul begins: Rock N Roll
Gator: Select to build Rock N Roll in Bangalore - it's the only culture producing build left
Toledo finishes: Factory
Cordoba grows: 24
Madrid finishes: Machine Gun
Kolhapur grows: 15

Turn 423 (1776 AD)
Toledo begins: Confucian Missionary
Madrid begins: Machine Gun
Machine Gun promoted: Drill I
Hinduism has spread: Chicago (American Empire)
Calcutta finishes: Infantry
Seville finishes: Ironclad
Santiago finishes: Christian Missionary

Turn 424 (1778 AD)
Calcutta begins: Hindu Missionary
Seville begins: Machine Gun
Santiago begins: Christian Missionary
Infantry promoted: City Garrison I
Ironclad promoted: Drill I
Calcutta grows: 20
Calcutta finishes: Hindu Missionary
Cordoba finishes: Hindu Mandir
Madrid grows: 21
Santiago finishes: Christian Missionary
Sparta grows: 15
Sparta finishes: Courthouse

Turn 425 (1780 AD)
Calcutta begins: Infantry
Cordoba begins: Infantry
Santiago begins: Hindu Missionary
Sparta begins: Aqueduct
Delhi - culture grows: 23
Toledo finishes: Confucian Missionary
Barcelona finishes: Infantry

Turn 426 (1782 AD)
Toledo begins: Machine Gun
Barcelona begins: Machine Gun
Infantry promoted: City Garrison I
Christianity has spread: Frankfurt (German Empire)
Lahore finishes: Infantry
Cordoba's borders expand
Madrid finishes: Machine Gun
Santiago finishes: Hindu Missionary
Thermopylae's borders expand
Thermopylae finishes: Bank
Munich finishes: Confucian Temple

Turn 427 (1784 AD)
Lahore begins: Machine Gun
Madrid begins: Jewish Missionary
Santiago begins: Ironclad
Thermopylae begins: Grocer
Munich begins: Theatre
Infantry promoted: City Garrison I
Confucianism has spread: Philadelphia (Mongolian Empire)
Machine Gun promoted: Drill I
Yunus Emre (Great Artist) born in Delhi - culture
Calcutta finishes: Infantry
Madrid finishes: Jewish Missionary
Apache grows: 14
Apache finishes: Infantry

Turn 428 (1786 AD)
Calcutta begins: Jewish Missionary
Madrid begins: Infantry
Apache begins: Jewish Missionary
Infantry promoted: City Garrison I
Gator: GA to Madras (lowest cpt city)
Infantry promoted: City Garrison I
Judaism has spread: Thermopylae
Calcutta finishes: Jewish Missionary
Madrid grows: 22
Apache finishes: Jewish Missionary
Sparta grows: 16
Sparta finishes: Aqueduct

Turn 429 (1788 AD)
Calcutta begins: Jewish Missionary
Apache begins: Bank
Sparta begins: Grocer
Judaism has spread: Toledo
Hinduism has spread: San Francisco (American Empire)
Gator: America demanded Democracy - I gave it just to keep them Pleased with us
Calcutta finishes: Jewish Missionary
Karachi finishes: Observatory

Turn 430 (1790 AD)
Calcutta begins: Christian Missionary
Karachi begins: Islamic Temple
Gator: Didn't see a place to use the Hindu Missionary so I gift it to Germany, maybe they will run it into France for us


@eotnib - I like the autologger program, much easier to take notes ingame.
 
Signed up:
LKendter (currently playing)
Methos (skip until Dec 11th)
MeteorPunch (on deck)
DJMGator13
Eotinb

Remember 10 turns per round - STRICT 24 hours got it, total 48 hours to at complete.

Win target: Culture (preferred), or Space.
 
DJMGator13 said:
I wasn't sure Rock n Roll was the best build, it gives culture but may take too long to complete. Please review it and possibly change it.
I didn't know what to do here either. I would stop the build if we can't cash rush it (now or soon) and build culture instead.
 
Oops - let's try this again for player order.

Signed up:
LKendter (on deck)
Methos (skip until Dec 11th)
MeteorPunch
DJMGator13
Eotinb (currently playing)

Remember 10 turns per round - STRICT 24 hours got it, total 48 hours to at complete.

Win target: Culture (preferred), or Space.
 
I've got it. Glad you like autolog, Gator. MP, I think you're probably right about Rock 'N Roll vs. building Culture. I'll check it out.
 
The save

Summary: These are some exciting turns, I must say. :p All three culture cities are now building culture and maxed out on artists (short of converting mines, pastures, plantations, towns, etc to farms -- if you want to do that LK be my guest -- I didn't feel like doing the math to see if the gold from towns, plantations on dyes, mines on gems and gold, etc. produced more cpt than another artist or two would). We should be done some time in Gator's next turnset if not sooner (~25 turns). So it looks like I won't get the game again. Been fun.

Spoiler :

Turn 430 (1790 AD)
eotinb: I set Madras to no growth and hire as many artists as it can support
eotinb: Delhi I leave alone other than changing the one engineer there to another artist
eotinb: Since Broadway is another +50% culture, I think it makes sense to finish it in Madras
eotinb: Switching Bangalore to Culture produces an extra 40cpt, so I think I'll go with that
eotinb: Can't hire any more artists there without farming over some plantations, mines, or towns
eotinb: Here's the situation after those changes and switching to no State Religion
eotinb: According to my calculations, Madras will need 44 turns to break 75K at the current pace
eotinb: Bangalore will need 41 turns, which will end up being the last city to go legendary, since Madras will speed up when Broadway finishes and we switch it to building culture
Calcutta finishes: Christian Missionary
Lahore finishes: Machine Gun
Cordoba finishes: Infantry
Barcelona finishes: Machine Gun

Turn 431 (1792 AD)
eotinb: Louis wants rice for fur, I agree and also get him to sign Open Borders so we can send some Hindu missionaries his way
Calcutta begins: Christian Missionary
Lahore begins: Infantry
Cordoba begins: Hindu Missionary
Barcelona begins: Infantry
Infantry promoted: City Garrison I
Judaism has spread: Munich
Bombay grows: 16
Calcutta finishes: Christian Missionary
Seville finishes: Machine Gun
Madrid finishes: Infantry
Santiago's borders expand
Santiago finishes: Ironclad
Thermopylae finishes: Grocer
Sparta grows: 17
Kolhapur finishes: The Eiffel Tower

Turn 432 (1794 AD)
Calcutta begins: Islamic Missionary
Seville begins: Infantry
Madrid begins: Infantry
Santiago begins: Infantry
Thermopylae begins: Frigate
Kolhapur begins: Hindu Missionary
eotinb: Eiffel Tower comes in, boosting cpt even more
eotinb: Revised ETAs: Madras (38), Bangalore (35) -- I guess this will be my last turnset
Christianity has spread: Rouen (French Empire)
Bombay finishes: The Pentagon
Calcutta grows: 21
Calcutta finishes: Islamic Missionary
Karachi finishes: Islamic Temple
Toledo finishes: Machine Gun
Cordoba finishes: Hindu Missionary
Madrid grows: 23
Kolhapur finishes: Hindu Missionary
Munich grows: 8

Turn 433 (1796 AD)
Bombay begins: Infantry
Calcutta begins: Hindu Missionary
Toledo begins: Ironclad
Cordoba begins: Confucian Missionary
Kolhapur begins: Christian Missionary
Infantry promoted: City Garrison I
Calcutta's borders expand
Calcutta finishes: Hindu Missionary
Thermopylae grows: 17
Kolhapur finishes: Christian Missionary
Munich finishes: Theatre

Turn 434 (1798 AD)
Munich begins: Library
Christianity has spread: Chartres (French Empire)
Bombay finishes: Infantry
Cordoba finishes: Confucian Missionary
Amir Khusro (Great Artist) born in Cordoba
Thermopylae finishes: Frigate
Sparta grows: 18
Buddhism has spread: Calcutta

Turn 435 (1800 AD)
Bombay begins: Infantry
Thermopylae begins: Ironclad
Islam has spread: Hamburg (German Empire)
eotinb: Rather than building more missionaries, I think it makes more sense to jave a few towns producing wealth
Infantry promoted: City Garrison I
Infantry promoted: City Garrison II
eotinb: USe the GA to culture bomb Bangalore -- I think we're close enough that this makes more sense than joining
eotinb: Revised estimate for Bangalore: 26 turns
Hinduism has spread: Tours (French Empire)
Lahore grows: 13
Lahore's borders expand
Lahore finishes: Infantry
Madrid finishes: Infantry
Santiago grows: 18
Sparta finishes: Grocer

Turn 436 (1802 AD)
eotinb: KK wants Bio and I give it to him. No need to antagonize powerful neighbors this close to victory
Lahore begins: Machine Gun
Madrid begins: Coal Plant
Sparta begins: Infantry
Barcelona finishes: Infantry
Apache finishes: Bank
Sparta's borders expand
Islam has spread: Old Sarai (Mongolian Empire)
Hinduism has spread: Old Sarai (Mongolian Empire)
Islam has spread: Old Sarai
Hinduism has spread: Old Sarai

Turn 437 (1804 AD)
Barcelona begins: Infantry
Apache begins: Infantry
Old Sarai begins: Theatre
eotinb: Old Sarai switches to us
Infantry promoted: City Garrison I
Infantry promoted: City Garrison II
Hinduism has spread: Paris (French Empire)

Turn 438 (1806 AD)
Bombay begins: Infantry
Toledo begins: Ironclad
Santiago begins: Ironclad
Infantry promoted: City Garrison I
Infantry promoted: City Garrison II
Infantry promoted: City Garrison I
Madras - cult finishes: Broadway
Madrid grows: 24
Thermopylae finishes: Ironclad
Sparta grows: 19
Old Sarai's borders expand

Turn 439 (1808 AD)
Thermopylae begins: Drydock
eotinb: Completion of Broadway and switching to culture build puts Madras at 1120 cpt, 27 turns
Bombay finishes: Infantry
Madrid's borders expand

Turn 440 (1810 AD)
Bombay begins: Infantry
Infantry promoted: City Garrison I
Infantry promoted: City Garrison II
 
Speed is Epic: 75K culture required for legendary status.
Here's the latest screenie:
lk108-shot026.jpg

The cpt for Madras is 1128 (this author of Domestic Advisor mod I'm using obviously didn't take into consideration 4-digit cpt values). Broadway helped a lot, as did going to 100% on the culture slider and building culture.
 
:scan: Trying to find a save. :scan:

Signed up:
LKendter (currently playing) (skip Dec 23 to Dec 26)
Methos (skip until Dec 11th) (on deck?)
MeteorPunch
DJMGator13
Eotinb

Remember 10 turns per round - STRICT 24 hours got it, total 48 hours to at complete.

Win target: Culture (preferred), or Space.
 
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/LK108AD-1830.zip


Summary:
This was a total non-event round. Civ4 is like Civ3 with a culture win in the fact that the end becomes a waiting game. Now at the higher levels it could become a nasty race with an AI launching before you get enough culture.

I learned that the AIs would spam their preferred religion around the world, as France influenced us!
LAK-1067.jpg


We gained Beshbalik in a flip. I don't like that weaker reporting of flips in Civ4.

The obligatory status report on the top cities. Note how close Delhi is to the goal!
LAK-1068.jpg


Signed up:
LKendter (skip Dec 23 to Dec 26)
Methos (currently playing)
MeteorPunch (on deck)
DJMGator13
Eotinb

Remember 10 turns per round - STRICT 24 hours got it, total 48 hours to at complete.

Win target: Culture (preferred), or Space.

The details:
Spoiler :

Turn 440 (1810 AD)
Lahore finishes: Machine Gun
Seville finishes: Infantry
Madrid finishes: Coal Plant
Apache grows: 15
Sparta finishes: Infantry

Turn 441 (1812 AD)
Lahore begins: Drydock
Seville begins: Machine Gun
Madrid begins: Market
Sparta begins: Bunker
Ironclad promoted: Drill I
Ironclad promoted: Drill II
Barcelona finishes: Infantry
Santiago finishes: Ironclad
Apache finishes: Infantry
Old Sarai finishes: Theatre

Turn 442 (1814 AD)
Barcelona begins: Coal Plant
Santiago begins: Coal Plant
Apache begins: Coal Plant
Old Sarai begins: Islamic Temple
Old Sarai begins: Hindu Temple
Bombay finishes: Infantry
Toledo finishes: Ironclad
Barcelona's borders expand
Thermopylae finishes: Drydock
Munich grows: 9

Turn 443 (1816 AD)
Bombay begins: Hindu Missionary
Toledo begins: Jewish Temple
Thermopylae begins: Ironclad
Bombay begins: Christian Missionary
Bombay begins: Jewish Missionary
Bombay begins: Confucian Missionary
Bombay finishes: Christian Missionary
Barcelona grows: 13
Madrid finishes: Market

Turn 444 (1818 AD)
Madrid begins: Cavalry
Bombay finishes: Jewish Missionary
Lahore finishes: Drydock
Sparta grows: 20
Sparta finishes: Bunker
Munich finishes: Library

Turn 445 (1820 AD)
Lahore begins: Ironclad
Sparta begins: Market
Munich begins: Jewish Temple
Christianity has spread: Old Sarai
Bombay finishes: Confucian Missionary
Karachi's borders expand
Toledo finishes: Jewish Temple
Madrid finishes: Cavalry
Thermopylae finishes: Ironclad
Old Sarai's borders expand

Turn 446 (1822 AD)
Bombay begins: Jewish Missionary
Toledo begins: Market
Madrid begins: Buddhist Missionary
Thermopylae begins: Jewish Temple
Bombay finishes: Jewish Missionary
Toledo grows: 13
Madrid finishes: Buddhist Missionary
Old Sarai finishes: Islamic Temple
Christianity has spread: Beshbalik (Mongolian Empire)
Hinduism has spread: Beshbalik (Mongolian Empire)
Christianity has spread: Beshbalik
Hinduism has spread: Beshbalik
Buddhism has spread: Beshbalik

Turn 447 (1824 AD)
Bombay begins: Bunker
Madrid begins: Colosseum
Beshbalik begins: Hindu Temple
Beshbalik begins: Christian Temple
Beshbalik begins: Buddhist Temple
Beshbalik begins: Theatre
Confucianism has spread: Old Sarai
Bombay finishes: Bunker
Lahore finishes: Ironclad
Barcelona finishes: Coal Plant
Santiago finishes: Coal Plant
Apache finishes: Coal Plant
Thermopylae grows: 18
Thermopylae finishes: Jewish Temple
Beshbalik's borders expand
Buddhism has spread: Lahore
Buddhism has spread: Bombay

Turn 448 (1826 AD)
Bombay begins: Buddhist Temple
Lahore begins: Islamic Missionary
Barcelona begins: Bunker
Santiago begins: Market
Apache begins: Colosseum
Thermopylae begins: Coal Plant
Judaism has spread: Beshbalik
Bombay finishes: Buddhist Temple
Calcutta grows: 22
Lahore finishes: Islamic Missionary
Seville finishes: Machine Gun
Munich finishes: Jewish Temple

Turn 449 (1828 AD)
Bombay begins: Islamic Mosque
Lahore begins: Buddhist Temple
Seville begins: Coal Plant
Munich begins: Market
Buddhism has spread: Old Sarai
Cordoba grows: 25
Madrid finishes: Colosseum

Turn 450 (1830 AD)
Madrid begins: Machine Gun
Islam has spread: Beshbalik

 
The city flip reminds me that there is a bug in autolog (fixed in the yet-to-be-uploaded newest version) that prevents city flips from being reported. FYI.

Almost there.
 
LK (post #257) said:
I have a gripe with the farms near Barcelona. Why did we break the farm chain? Unlike Civ3, Civ4 will cancel the farm effect if you break the irrigation chain.

This is good to know. Thanks for pointing that out.

I’ve got it and will try to play either later today or tomorrow. Going through and reading threads form December 3rd until now is taking a while. Good game guys. We’re looking great!
 
I’d like to apologize as I played two turns over my amount. The thing is I hated to pass the game off when there were only two turns left until victory. Initially I calculated a cultural victory in 15 turns but managed to hedge that a little bit. According to Delhi’s city screen initially it would reach a great leader in approx. 13 or 14 turns. So once Delhi hit 75k I switched a plains workshop to a farm and removed a few citizens and set them as artist. I was able to gain three more artist and increase our gpp by 16. This enabled a great leader at my turn 12. I played those two extra turns and gained a great artist which I immediately sent to Madras. By this time Bangalore was already above 75k and Madras was about 4k short. After one great work the game was won.

I got tired of building units when I knew the game was over, so I set production to wealth and put workers to sleep.

Great game everyone!

Spoiler :
Turn 450 (1830 AD)
Methos: Unless I'm miscalculating this game will be over in 15 turns. Hmm, I may just finish it off. We'll see.
Delhi - culture's borders expand
Lahore finishes: Buddhist Temple
Barcelona finishes: Bunker
Sparta finishes: Market

Turn 451 (1832 AD)
Lahore begins: Infantry
Barcelona begins: Infantry
Sparta begins: Infantry
Methos: Since Delhi has now hit the 75k mark I decide to speed up its great artist points. I begin moving workers over to switch to a food priority.
Seville grows: 17
Madrid finishes: Machine Gun
Apache finishes: Colosseum
Old Sarai finishes: Hindu Temple
Beshbalik's borders expand

Turn 452 (1834 AD)
Tech learned: Combustion
Madrid begins: Infantry
Apache begins: Infantry
Methos: I have Old Sarai build culture to help fend off Mongolian culture.
Machine Gun promoted: Drill I
Machine Gun promoted: Drill II
Bombay finishes: Islamic Mosque
Santiago finishes: Market
Thermopylae finishes: Coal Plant
Sparta grows: 21
Beshbalik finishes: Hindu Temple
Methos: Last Turn: Washington wants to trade Combustion and 60 gold for Biology. I agree.

Turn 453 (1836 AD)
Bombay begins: Infantry
Santiago begins: Aqueduct
Thermopylae begins: Aqueduct
Methos: Switching a workshop to a farm near Delhi allows me to gain two more artists, for seven total. Or +68 gpp. At this rate we'll have enough gpp's to get a great leader on my turn 11. I'll definitely play this out until than, possibly further.
Lahore grows: 14
Apache grows: 16
Sparta finishes: Infantry
Kolhapur grows: 16

Turn 454 (1838 AD)
Sparta begins: Infantry
Toledo finishes: Market
Barcelona finishes: Infantry
Madrid finishes: Infantry
Thermopylae finishes: Aqueduct

Turn 455 (1840 AD)
Barcelona begins: Market
Madrid begins: Infantry
Thermopylae begins: Destroyer
Bombay finishes: Infantry
Lahore finishes: Infantry
Madrid grows: 25
Santiago finishes: Aqueduct
Apache finishes: Infantry
Old Sarai grows: 10

Turn 456 (1842 AD)
Santiago begins: Machine Gun
Munich grows: 10

Turn 457 (1844 AD)
Tech learned: Mass Media
Seville finishes: Coal Plant
Madrid finishes: Infantry

Turn 458 (1846 AD)
Research begun: Computers
Toledo's borders expand
Barcelona finishes: Market
Thermopylae finishes: Destroyer
Sparta finishes: Infantry
Beshbalik finishes: Christian Temple

Turn 459 (1848 AD)
Bangalore - cul's borders expand
Santiago finishes: Machine Gun

Turn 460 (1850 AD)
Michaelangelo (Great Artist) born in Delhi - culture

Turn 461 (1851 AD)
Madras - cult's borders expand
Methos: Immediately send our great artist to Madras and build a great work. Madras has now achieved 75k giving us three legendery culture cities. In other words, we just won!

Turn 462 (1852 AD)


Here’s a few images.

LK108_F1_screen.JPG


LK108_Cultural_Victory.JPG


Here’s the pre-turn victory save and here’s the victory save.
 
Way to bring it home. :goodjob:
 
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