Preview: Indian cities
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If you mean that from page one, it's Rhye's terrain IIRC.varwnos said:
Aion
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Small status report: I am working on the ancient (Hindu) cities, but I don't have that much time because I'll write my A-levels in 3 weeks time. So believe it or not, there are things more important than civ 
Besides, I find the Hindu cities really challenging, because a) albeit I have studied a lot of pictures, I still don't have a general idea about Hindu architecture and b) the buildings are very difficult to model due to their irregular form and lots of tiny details.
Anyway, I'm giving a try, here's a glance at the first buidling I've modelled, it's the temple from Hampi of which I posted a picture on page 2.
Besides, I find the Hindu cities really challenging, because a) albeit I have studied a lot of pictures, I still don't have a general idea about Hindu architecture and b) the buildings are very difficult to model due to their irregular form and lots of tiny details.
Anyway, I'm giving a try, here's a glance at the first buidling I've modelled, it's the temple from Hampi of which I posted a picture on page 2.
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Blue Monkey
Archon Without Portfolio
Aion said:
Here are three line drawings I scanned along time ago from a 1930's era book about the classical period. They may be of some use since the outlines are simple.
city gates
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stupa
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temple of the sun
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sorry I don't remember the source. A good reference that's easy to come by is the Knopf Guidebook to Bali. Yes it's SE Asian, but it's also a Hindu culture with a lot of traditional houses in place. pages 97-110 layout a lot of info (visual and text) about what the architecture looks like, and what the philosophy behind it is. There's also a guide ( I don't have at hand) to Rajasthan.
Rambuchan
The Funky President
It's looking good!Aion said:
To help with a) think of that word 'stacks'. You've begun to do it with the piece you've previewed.Aion said:
You've got those two stacks, or layers, above the main doorway. You just need many more stacks before the decoration on top.
See how many stacks or layers these temples have.
The first stacks with an equal gradient producing a conical shape. See the symmetrical stacks on right and left.
The second does so in groups and sequences of stacks/layers, each more equal in width to each other, before moving on and up to the next series of stacks. This produces a more staggered (and therefore taller, straighter) shape.
Note that the top of the piece you've posted would still work atop these. So you're on the right track for sure!
This third one is also taller and straighter. Because again, it has groups of stacks rather than an even gradient toward the top. You can see the detail is made up of columns.
And here is some detail of such columns in rows to add further flavour. They are typically thick, square, and with a decoration / support at top. Decoration in the supports is similar to Roman and Greek columns but filled with figures.
Sword_Of_Geddon
Arbiter of the Sword
Their artecture is remarkably similiar to the Khmer....
I have some Khmer builds Aion, if you need some help.
I have some Khmer builds Aion, if you need some help.
The Last Conformist
Irresistibly Attractive
Well, the Khmer were ripping off Indian designs, so that's not too remarkable.
Aion
King
@Blue Monkey, Rambuchan: Thanks for the pictures. Your help is appreciated.
@SOG, TLC: Yeah, it's probably rather that Khmer architecture is similar to Indian, not the other way round
@SOG, TLC: Yeah, it's probably rather that Khmer architecture is similar to Indian, not the other way round
Sword_Of_Geddon
Arbiter of the Sword
Should India be in its own culture group or grouped toghether with the Khmer, Burmese and Thai? It seems that their styles were very similiar, at least pre-islam.
Blue Monkey
Archon Without Portfolio
Sword_Of_Geddon said:
Brahmanic cultural hegemony spread from Ghandara (remember those giant Buddhas the Taliban blew up?) to South China Sea. Nations like that centered around Angkor were influenced by India, while remaining independent states.
Sword_Of_Geddon
Arbiter of the Sword
Thankyou for the information Blue Monkey, I appreciate it. I think that the Indian culture group is probably more important than say, the North American group in terms of choice(which would you choose?) I'm alittle divided about it myself.
Aion
King
If you have enough culture groups, of course they should be different culture groups. Then again there's that bloody 5 culture groups thingie that I needn't mention further.
Indian and Khmer (and also Javan, BTW) architecture was very similar in ancient times, when all of those countries were Hinduist. But later their architectures diverged, India becoming largely influenced by Muslim architecture and Cambodia converting to Buddhism. I doubt the medieval or industrial era of my cities would fit for Khmer - the ancient however might (depending on how it turns out).
Then there's also Thai architecture, but that is somewhat different. It seems that for some reason Thailand wasn't that much influenced by India (maybe they had more ties to China).
Indian and Khmer (and also Javan, BTW) architecture was very similar in ancient times, when all of those countries were Hinduist. But later their architectures diverged, India becoming largely influenced by Muslim architecture and Cambodia converting to Buddhism. I doubt the medieval or industrial era of my cities would fit for Khmer - the ancient however might (depending on how it turns out).
Then there's also Thai architecture, but that is somewhat different. It seems that for some reason Thailand wasn't that much influenced by India (maybe they had more ties to China).
Blue Monkey
Archon Without Portfolio
@ Sword of Geddon:
I'm in the early stages of planning a mod covering the territory from Ghandara to Srivijaya, using the Mahabharata War as a centerpiece. Sort of a legendary India, but covering the whole cultural spread. Naturally it's in my self interest to vote for a Brahmanic cultural group.
@ Aion:
The Tai people (predecessors to the Thai and some related ethnic groups) moved into SE Asia from southern China under pressure from advancing Mongols. They filled a political vacuum left by decaying local empires. So, yeah, they weren't as influenced by India.
I'm in the early stages of planning a mod covering the territory from Ghandara to Srivijaya, using the Mahabharata War as a centerpiece. Sort of a legendary India, but covering the whole cultural spread. Naturally it's in my self interest to vote for a Brahmanic cultural group.
@ Aion:
The Tai people (predecessors to the Thai and some related ethnic groups) moved into SE Asia from southern China under pressure from advancing Mongols. They filled a political vacuum left by decaying local empires. So, yeah, they weren't as influenced by India.
GusZ
Chieftain
Actually thai architecture was some mix of Khmer (in the Angkor era ) and there some part of chinese and then they mix it with there culture so that why there architecture is not similar with india ,Actually is was very different form chinese and india ,the house in thailand will have a hight pillars that lift there house to the upper ,because ayuttaya is locate near a river so in the rainy season ,they face a flood very often so that why they build there house like this
i think thailand should be group in a SE culture group (Except vietnam)
and in the acient time they call "Ayo-taya" not "Ayuttaya"
i think thailand should be group in a SE culture group (Except vietnam)
and in the acient time they call "Ayo-taya" not "Ayuttaya"
Aion
King
So discussion about Asian architecture in my city preview thread makes something join the civfanatics forum, huh 
Welcome aboard, GusZ 
Welcome aboard, GusZ
Rambuchan
The Funky President
Yes, welcome GusZ! Good info there.
Good info there.
Blue Monkey
Archon Without Portfolio
glad to greet someone who has lived it; not just read about it like me 
Ogedei_the_Mad
Caffeinated Khagan
GusZ said:
I've also seen it spelled "Ayutthaya" and "Ayuddhya" in research articles. There doesn't seem to be much aggreement on how it is Romanized.
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