EdCase
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MobBoss said:
Seconded. Pain is natures way of saying. "Don't do that again dumbass."
Prove: Gay marriage is unnatural
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Seconded. Pain is natures way of saying. "Don't do that again dumbass."
MobBoss
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carlosMM said:So heterosexual sex is unnatural for women? After all, if you do it wrong it will be painful, and almost always is painful the first time......
Are you a woman that can comment on such things? Or just repeating something that you heard somewhere?
We can turn the question around with regards to bum pain ...
MobBoss
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El_Machinae said:
Oh, I have already admitted that I have experienced the "over 40" prostate exam......
You must have missed that.
Mob Boss you deflect criticism away by throwing criticism out, I don't hate christians in any way shape or form it's just a way for you to avoid answering questions. You duck and you weave and you talk but little gets answered in any meaningful way.
Oh and your opinion no matter how you try to justify it is a minority one and becoming ever more so, now whether you want to twist this statement into an affirmation of my hatred of christians which doesn't exist is up to you but no ones falling for your Jedi mind tricks.
I don't particularly like fundementalist who pass off illogical bile as fact because of some old fashioned ideology no one but the most outmoded christian now follows. I wont stop them from making those comments on the contrary the more you talk the less credible you become despite your attempts to the contrary.
Few people agree with you in the western world, this will become more apparent as the world turns. I think my initial satement of cloistered away wasn't apt. Perhaps hands on ears screaming blah blah blah blah I can't hear you is a better representation. By definition you are a bigot because your moral ideology is out of wack with the norm, end of argument.
you accuse others of circular logic but your own is a never ending circumanvigation of the same points said slightly differently with the same trite nonsense thrown in and the same diversionary tactics lofted about to avoid any possibility of admitting what everyone already knows, even to yourself.
Few people have noticed but you have yet to justify your position, and when asked to, you resort to repeating yourself as if the point was accepted the first time round.
Sit's back and prepares for the same diversionary nonsense as lofted before, that answers nothing and ducks the points made.
Your style of dialogue is what I like to call the politicians style, you say much, impart little and answer nothing.
Oh and your opinion no matter how you try to justify it is a minority one and becoming ever more so, now whether you want to twist this statement into an affirmation of my hatred of christians which doesn't exist is up to you but no ones falling for your Jedi mind tricks.
I don't particularly like fundementalist who pass off illogical bile as fact because of some old fashioned ideology no one but the most outmoded christian now follows. I wont stop them from making those comments on the contrary the more you talk the less credible you become despite your attempts to the contrary.
Few people agree with you in the western world, this will become more apparent as the world turns. I think my initial satement of cloistered away wasn't apt. Perhaps hands on ears screaming blah blah blah blah I can't hear you is a better representation. By definition you are a bigot because your moral ideology is out of wack with the norm, end of argument.
you accuse others of circular logic but your own is a never ending circumanvigation of the same points said slightly differently with the same trite nonsense thrown in and the same diversionary tactics lofted about to avoid any possibility of admitting what everyone already knows, even to yourself.
Few people have noticed but you have yet to justify your position, and when asked to, you resort to repeating yourself as if the point was accepted the first time round.
Sit's back and prepares for the same diversionary nonsense as lofted before, that answers nothing and ducks the points made.
Your style of dialogue is what I like to call the politicians style, you say much, impart little and answer nothing.
EdCase said:
Oops, I brainfarted while posting the link. this should work
Homosexuals don't exist in isolation though, so calling it a dead end because it wouldn't be feasible if it existed in isolation is silly. Just because an individual won't breed doesn't mean a stable system that regularly produces individuals that won't breed is a disadvantage or a dead end.
I see a problem there. We might be living longer now, but that's not a reason for menopause to occur. Menopause clearly results in less possible children, so by your logic it's a dead end too. It hasn't just appeared recently because we live longer, so why does it happen?
Again, you need to research more. It's not unusual at all in some species. Bonobo chimps for instance. It also serves a purpose in some species.
I didn't say you were, I simply said your views on genetics as they relate to homosexuality are wrong.
mobboss said:
Nothing circular about it. You might have stated things simply, but factual it wasn't. I'll try one last time. Your position is that the population should be forced to conform to your moral code on this subject. My position is that the population should be free to make this particular decision for themselves. Why is that a hypocritical position for me to take?
Very true. Call them hypocrites if you want. And if you want to argue with those lots of other liberals, I suggest you start by pointing out the inconsistencies of their positions. They object to one law because personal morality shouldn't be legislated, and then vote for a law that does exactly that.
You have kids, ask your wife if pain was involved. If so, that makes childbirth most likely unnatural. I suggest you need a better definition.
MobBoss said:
tsk tsk, now you demand personal experience? Ridiculously stupid, and only goes to show that you have nothing to back up your argument. But then, as I have never sene you, you do not exist anyways.......
MobBoss said:
Yup, anal sex is a medical examination
and vaginal sex is what?
why don't you ask a few women whether an examination is the same as sex with you. If you are THAT bad in bed, better hang yourself.
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Sidhe said:
My opinion is in the minority. Then tell me why Mr. Wizard, do the states who hold votes concerning gay marriage routinely vote against it by a 70%-80% margin? No jedi mind trick needed, just the ability to see the fact for yourself.
I think you are sadly mistaken on what the norm is. Please feel free to read up on the various voting records concerning the subject across america and then maybe then you will begin to understand the "norm" of the situation.
Why thank you, I did after all grow up with Bill Clinton as governor. He was excellent at it.
MobBoss
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sanabas said:
Sigh. The reason we go round and round on this is you insist upon mistating my position. My position is very simple. I would vote to define marriage as a union between a man and a woman. Period. End of discussion. Not forcing anyone, nor changing anything. Very simple.
Shrug. My wife would say that childbirth is natural...going up her tailpipe isnt. My definition works for me. meh.
MobBoss said:
I agree, it is very simple. Does your position allow people to choose any other consenting adult to marry, or does your position restrict the available choices to only partners that conform to your standard? It's that simple.
If you want to say my position is hypocritical, you need to explain to me how my position forces anything on you. You still haven't done that.
Like I said, I'm not interested in arguing about your definition of natural. Now that we know that when you say 'unnatural', you mean 'painful', I humbly request that you change what you post to reflect this. Next time you're going to post 'homosexuality is wrong because it's unnatural', please say what you actually mean, which is 'homosexuality is wrong because it's painful'.
MobBoss
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sanabas said:
Its not my standard. Its the peoples standard, and thus, the governments standard. As an individual, I cant force anyone to do anything.
Hehe.
ughh this guy is delusional I didn't make reference to your isolationist fundamentalist filled country I made reference to the western world.
Really you deflect and you dodge but you end up ignoring the points, and come off looking even more ignorant. Your popualtion is probably somewhere near 250 million Europe and the rest of the world is somewhere near a shade more.
Here we go round the mulberry bush, sits back and waits for some point about America being his whole world or some such other trite nonsense.
An answer to my other points would be nice or would you like to make another insipid backhander that neatly avoids answering anything. Your style is transparent and your comments meaningless. Answer the damn points, stop waving a non existant bat at non existant points. hollow objections to non existant points. Nice one.
Can you reread my post now? No, expected as much.
Politicain style again says much, avoids the issue, deflects the comments to some agenda he has pre rehersed, man you are predictable
The physical act agian yawn.... Not any sort of rhyme nor reason here? No resort to science any more, his scientific points are gone the way of the dinosaurs just like this guy will soon.
The fact is bub that evolution abhors a vacuum, if we are talking nature we are talking evolution, why does this exist if it grants no benefit to life? Nothing else does argument over.
resorting to tailpipe asociations is weak, and your arguments are weak, use sicence or go away you're boring me now. Answer the points, not your trite little avoidance tactics, the points, your as transparent as glass and equally weak.
The point is your attitude is imoral and your discrimination is one of a bigot admit it, everyone thinks you are you're convincing no one but yourself.
The point is gay people should have the same legal and tax breaks as everyone else, they shouldn't be subjugated to earn nothing from a partners demise or to get no benefit from their lov , by some neaderthall with a god fixation and no common sense. And you mark my words your backwards country that still condones the death penalty, even though Israel doesn't will come to learn just how provincial it is, and just how little people think of your isolationist. America is right bs is, no wonder we kicked you guys out, you were the chaff from the weat. Fundementalists , abig waste of space in a bag, thank God the rest of your country aren't so mindlessly insipid and pointless
BTW I only mean the fools who live in isolation not other Americans who I find to be great people. Just in case there's any misunderstanding.
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Really you deflect and you dodge but you end up ignoring the points, and come off looking even more ignorant. Your popualtion is probably somewhere near 250 million Europe and the rest of the world is somewhere near a shade more.
Here we go round the mulberry bush, sits back and waits for some point about America being his whole world or some such other trite nonsense.
An answer to my other points would be nice or would you like to make another insipid backhander that neatly avoids answering anything. Your style is transparent and your comments meaningless. Answer the damn points, stop waving a non existant bat at non existant points. hollow objections to non existant points. Nice one.
Can you reread my post now? No, expected as much.
Politicain style again says much, avoids the issue, deflects the comments to some agenda he has pre rehersed, man you are predictable
MobBoss said:
The physical act agian yawn.... Not any sort of rhyme nor reason here? No resort to science any more, his scientific points are gone the way of the dinosaurs just like this guy will soon.
The fact is bub that evolution abhors a vacuum, if we are talking nature we are talking evolution, why does this exist if it grants no benefit to life? Nothing else does argument over.
resorting to tailpipe asociations is weak, and your arguments are weak, use sicence or go away you're boring me now. Answer the points, not your trite little avoidance tactics, the points, your as transparent as glass and equally weak.
The point is your attitude is imoral and your discrimination is one of a bigot admit it, everyone thinks you are you're convincing no one but yourself.
The point is gay people should have the same legal and tax breaks as everyone else, they shouldn't be subjugated to earn nothing from a partners demise or to get no benefit from their lov , by some neaderthall with a god fixation and no common sense. And you mark my words your backwards country that still condones the death penalty, even though Israel doesn't will come to learn just how provincial it is, and just how little people think of your isolationist. America is right bs is, no wonder we kicked you guys out, you were the chaff from the weat. Fundementalists , abig waste of space in a bag, thank God the rest of your country aren't so mindlessly insipid and pointless
BTW I only mean the fools who live in isolation not other Americans who I find to be great people. Just in case there's any misunderstanding.
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Sidhe said:
Shrug. You didnt clarify that until now.
The population will clear 300 million sometime in the next few months. But hey, dont trust me as I am delusional...go look it up.
Brits and their wacky humor I swear. Heh, I get a warning for using that term and now several of my opponents are using it. Reported for using it!
Are you saying my argument is weak?
Really...you are really a funny guy. Funniest stuff I have come across in awhile.
Really? Is that what everyone thinks? Hey everyone, speak up and be heard!
The point is gay people should have the same legal and tax breaks as everyone else, they shouldn't be subjugated to earn nothing from a partners demise or to get no benefit from their lov , by some neaderthall with a god fixation and no common sense. And you mark my words your backwards country that still condones the death penalty, even though Israel doesn't will come to learn just how provincial it is, and just how little people think of your isolationist. America is right bs is, no wonder we kicked you guys out, you were the chaff from the weat. Fundementalists , abig waste of space in a bag, thank God the rest of your country aren't so mindlessly insipid and pointless
Please, if you are truly, truly going to call me a name have the decency to look it up and spell it correctly. See PB2000k!!! Irony!
So lets sum up what we have learned here. You hate christians. You hate Americans. You hate jews. You like homosexuals.
ROFL.
My advice. Dont post until after the booze effects have worn off. You are much more lucid then.
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Xanikk999
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ainwood said:
I had no idea bub was offensive (Im not being sarcastic). Can you explain why? People say bub like in the sentance "Hey bub come here". I dont know why it would be derogotory.
MobBoss
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Xanikk999 said:
Gahhhhh, he said it again!!!!!!!
However, I will do my best to get the thread back onto the rails of progress.
As to the definition of natural and/or unnatural...well, I think its pretty difficult to actually pin this down.
What is natural for one may not be natural for someone else for a variety of reasons. Gender: What is natural for a woman, may not be for a man. Culture: What is natural for Finns may not be natural for Americans. Age group: What may be natural for a 20 year old, may not be for a 70 year old. And so forth and so on.
Heck, I am still trying to figure out how it can be natural for my teenage kid to live in a room so messy.
EdCase
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Thank you. Intelligently expressed,well thought out. Totally unconvincing. Perfectly good decent people also give birth to serial killers...does your bellcurve explain their brains being wired incorrectly?sanabas said:
sanabas said:
No sillier than same sex marriage.
sanabas said:
A genetic holdover, much the same as the appendix. Once useful no longer...see reference to chimps for further explanation.
sanabas said:
Yes the extended family unit,containing non competitive(sexually) males,and non breeding elder females,
can be very useful...for chimps. They don't marry each other though do they?
In human culture it is (again my opinion) a trait that should not be revered but viewed as an evolutionary feature that is now redundant.
sanabas said:
No my views are exactly that my views. As yours are your own. Both colored by our individual opinions.
Yeeek
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As a non religious person i have no problem with it, when two persons love each other they will most likely want to go further and seal their unions.
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