Being Drafted: If America were invaded

im ashamed by the number of unpatriotic cowards we have on here! Those of you who say youd join the 'winning side' are an insult to everything american, dont you have the guts to stand up and die for what you believe in? If you dont care enough about America to die for her, then go move to China, Im sure theyd be happy to have you.

Cheezy the Wiz said:

Those of you who say youd join the 'winning side' are an insult to everything american

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And I'm good looking too!

Cheezy the Wiz said:

dont you have the guts to stand up and die for what you believe in?

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Who said that the invading army had beliefs contrary to mine? Maybe the invasion will support what I believe in!

Cheezy the Wiz said:

If you dont care enough about America to die for her, then go move to China, Im sure theyd be happy to have you.

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I did that but then a Chinese man told me that if I don't care enough about China to die for it then I should go move to America. So then I moved back.

You're also missing something, being a soldier isn't about dying for your country. Being a soldier is about killing for your country. Big difference.

Well, America is already being invaded. So, all of you that said you would go join up, there's job openings currently with the U.S. Border Patrol. Go for it.

I'd fight, but I would not join the army. Rednecks would be much better to work with, especially since draftees tend to be used as cannon fodder...

Lotus49 said:

Well, America is already being invaded. So, all of you that said you would go join up, there's job openings currently with the U.S. Border Patrol. Go for it.

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You could volunteer, even! Though you probably wouldn't be allowed to kill people, the likelihood of dying is low too - so it all balances out.

El_Machinae said:

You could volunteer, even! Though you probably wouldn't be allowed to kill people, the likelihood of dying is low too - so it all balances out.

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I've seriously thought about it, taking a look at the job postings. But, the federal pay grade level for border agents is less than what I'm currently making, for sitting in an office and doing nothing. So...

Sit around watching TV/surfing the net/napping....

Vs.

Patrolling the desert hunting desperate/unpredictable people that have nothing to lose.

Tough.

Which one is more patriotic?

El_Machinae said:

Which one is more patriotic?

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I was patriotic & gung ho when I joined the USMC at age 18 (technically signing up at age 17).

I was subsequently treated like total CRAP - beyond my wildest dreams, for 4 long, agonizing years.

Since then, my 'patriotism' has become much more... 'passive'.


I've been through the GI-grinder, man. Uncle Sam just uses manpower, and spits it out. Doesn't give a d@mn about the people signing up to offer their service.

Use ya, and spit you out. Now I'm looking out for me, myself, and I.

If this country sinks, I'll just do what my Lithuanian ancestors did, right as the Russians were coming in... and jump ship - go elsewhere.

I try not to act jaded, but it comes out when you mention 'patriotism'. What a bunch of propaganda... designed to fool the young, naive, and uninitiated.

The U.S./Uncle Sam is the big boy on the block, though. And from my own personal experience from within... good luck invading this country. That'd be a hard fight.

I'm with Marla unless I can just sit and watch the dogfight....

Uncle Sam just uses manpower, and spits it out. Doesn't give a d@mn about the people signing up to offer their service.

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Do you feel they got any benefit from your service? Or was it just a waste for everyone? I mean, sweat shops 'use' their slaves, but I get the feeling the army doesn't get much use out of its people.

El_Machinae said:

Do you feel they got any benefit from your service? Or was it just a waste for everyone? I mean, sweat shops 'use' their slaves, but I get the feeling the army doesn't get much use out of its people.

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My biggest beef is not with the gov't, the nation, the system, or anything up there at the top. Power corrupts, that's what you should expect. Governments do, what governments do. What I dislike is with the actual society; where people have become of the mindset that it's every man for himself, and instead of working together, we work against one another. Screw over the guy next to you, if it means you can get ahead.

The problem in the military is the same problem in civilian life... bad leadership styles at the mid-level manger positions. Sure, they keep productivity high so they look good, a the expense of morale. And once you get to the point where you're hating life & getting frustrated, then they really have 'fun' with ya.

I joined the Corps because I thought I was getting into a band of brothers, a comradery, that kind of thing - which was distinctly absent in the civil society. Well, guess what, it's just the same in the military, nowadays anyway. Every man for himself. Bunch of selfish, money-loving spoiled brats - that's where we're heading.

Bottom line is, I love the country, but unfortunately it's full of a-holes. Like that quote from Braveheart, "The problem with Scotland... is that it's full of Scots". Well, I say substitute America/Americans in there, and that's my sentiment exactly.

I love the sprit of America, but it's people are becoming more and more detached from it. And ultimately, if they totaly get away from it, this country will fall.

The spirit that made this country great, has now changed. The reason it's changed, is because we're at the top of the food chain now. And in nature, whenever anything gets to the top of the food chain, they turn on themselves. That's what I see happening.

many more people avoid dying for something than killing for something, thats why i said dying, it scares more people than killing does, seeing as youre the one dying

Tank_Guy#3 said:

I would join willingly and form a group of very cruel partisans that run about in enemy held territory killing the invaders and those that support them in a most heinous way. We would ship the remaining parts back to the invaders...piece by piece.

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You would make one hell of an Iraqi Insurgent!

Considering I live in England I would be invading, probably the bullet catchers

To address the OP:

If America were invaded, I as an American would not die for my country in blind stupidity, but rather assess the situation as follows:

If it seems that the US will win the war: I would either enlist or form a guerilla company with some friends of mine and fight the invaders. We would be righteous chivalrous guerillas, strictly targeting the invading force and the collaborators.

If it seems the US will lose the war: I will either form a guerilla company to fight the US army to put them out of their misery, or just stay the hell out of the invader's way and mind my own business/wait for the war to be over etc.

I won't factor in any foolish blind patriotism into my decision either way, only what will ensure my survival.

I dont know if i would sign up but if drafted i would go, america has done allot for new zealand even if lately things havent been so cozy

I'd probably be the guy personally running the invasion, with my war-robots and atomic supermen. My best vote would have to be "help the invaders".

And after all these results you dare to say, that US have the most powerfull army??? When even it's own citizens don't want to fight for their own motherland??? I'm shocked really. Ask every Russian, or Chinesse about same topic - would they fight if their motherland is invaded - i think 99,99% would say - "yes". And we did it for about 300 years.
Morale... All is about morale of troops. Army can't fight even with best weapons, if they are used by cowards...


And about invasion. It's not so unrealistic... Geographical isolation - is not a problem. China can invade America through Canada and Alaska, and with modern transporting techs - it's much more easier than you may think...
Air Force... Navy...
Major role in full scale war play infantry. Yes, typical man or women, with one head, two arms, two legs and with assault rifle. Support lines for Aircraft (and Airports) can be bombed, fuel reserves - sabotaged, SAM's are more cheaper in use and support that an aircraft costing 6,000,000$.
And about nukes... No one will bomb their own territory... And I think, not invaders nor America would use nukes at all. Everyone want to live. America would more likely to surrender, but it would not use nukes. You see, no one, not so-called president, not a general or officers in nuklear silos would launch nuklear war. Morale...

Tenochtitlan said:

Interesting results. Wouldn't the ones who fight then be terrorists in the eyes of the invaders?

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I see what you did there.

Mrakvampire said:

And after all these results you dare to say, that US have the most powerfull army??? When even it's own citizens don't want to fight for their own motherland??? I'm shocked really. Ask every Russian, or Chinesse about same topic - would they fight if their motherland is invaded - i think 99,99% would say - "yes". And we did it for about 300 years.
Morale... All is about morale of troops. Army can't fight even with best weapons, if they are used by cowards...


And about invasion. It's not so unrealistic... Geographical isolation - is not a problem. China can invade America through Canada and Alaska, and with modern transporting techs - it's much more easier than you may think...
Air Force... Navy...
Major role in full scale war play infantry. Yes, typical man or women, with one head, two arms, two legs and with assault rifle. Support lines for Aircraft (and Airports) can be bombed, fuel reserves - sabotaged, SAM's are more cheaper in use and support that an aircraft costing 6,000,000$.
And about nukes... No one will bomb their own territory... And I think, not invaders nor America would use nukes at all. Everyone want to live. America would more likely to surrender, but it would not use nukes. You see, no one, not so-called president, not a general or officers in nuklear silos would launch nuklear war. Morale...

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The thing is, though, that the US won't get attacked from any other country full-scale. Every country is either too weak, or relies too heavily on America for economic support, which would mean that attacking the US would cripple the country more than help it.

Also, a war like this would cost a country such as China billions, with heavy military losses, and making little gain (a huge, devistated anti-occupier continent, full of millions of people, when China cannot support its own population at the moment).