steviejay
Now in Black and White!!
Yeah I'll agree with that. Since I've started working I take it with 3 spoons of Coffee, two sweetners and a small small splash of milk for colour. oh yeah
Heart of the Republic - A Rome: Total War AAR
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Captain2
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bleh, coffee, for some reason i just cant get interested in a warm drink, to me it kinda defeats the whole point of drinking
Kan' Sharuminar
Fluffy
Heart of the Republic - A Rome: Total War AAR
Part Eighteen
The Carthaginian betrayal had not been expected by anyone in the senate, though General Dellus had, for the longest of times, sent messages to the Consular warning of an attack should the Republic gain too much influence on Sicily. However, the signing of the alliance had meant that any fears were put to rest. It was ironic then, that Carthage broke the treaty a mere two months after its creation.
They had picked a bad time to declare war though. Not only was the Republics most powerful armies in Sicily already, but her navies were but a short distance away, and quickly cleared the coastal area of the Carthage navy.
Rule Romana, Romana rules the waves
Tillus II used this to launch a surprise attack on Agrigento, which fell quickly and with little bloodshed. And as Clericus II moved on Lilybaeum, news came from the west that the Iberians had declared war on Carthage! An alliance was quickly formed between them and the Republic, and to further annoy Carthage a cease-fire was negotiated with the Greeks. In the space of a single year the Carthaginian war effort had been wiped out without them even attempting an offensive.
There was still hope for them, though, as 800 Carthaginian soldiers - veterans of the Sicilian Wars with Greece - attempted to strike a blow into Clericus forces. Under the cover of a thick fog they quietly moved into position as the Roman general continued his siege. However at the last moment the fog suddenly lifted, revealing the approaching enemy and allowing a quick reorganisation of his troops. The Gods were apparently with him or at least a favourable wind was.
The battle was quickly over - Carthage had been depending on the element of surprise to gain an advantage over the superior Roman numbers. With the fall of the city, Sicily was united under Rome, and Clericus II was named as its overlord.
Sicily united
To his surprise though, the bulk of his troops were ordered to return to the port of Agrigento to fall under Tillus II and await further instructions. He travelled there himself - less to see them off than to find out why Sicily was being weakened - but found that Tillus himself knew nothing. Days later however, Republic ships were spotted approaching the citys docks
Part Eighteen
The Carthaginian betrayal had not been expected by anyone in the senate, though General Dellus had, for the longest of times, sent messages to the Consular warning of an attack should the Republic gain too much influence on Sicily. However, the signing of the alliance had meant that any fears were put to rest. It was ironic then, that Carthage broke the treaty a mere two months after its creation.
They had picked a bad time to declare war though. Not only was the Republics most powerful armies in Sicily already, but her navies were but a short distance away, and quickly cleared the coastal area of the Carthage navy.
Rule Romana, Romana rules the waves
Tillus II used this to launch a surprise attack on Agrigento, which fell quickly and with little bloodshed. And as Clericus II moved on Lilybaeum, news came from the west that the Iberians had declared war on Carthage! An alliance was quickly formed between them and the Republic, and to further annoy Carthage a cease-fire was negotiated with the Greeks. In the space of a single year the Carthaginian war effort had been wiped out without them even attempting an offensive.
There was still hope for them, though, as 800 Carthaginian soldiers - veterans of the Sicilian Wars with Greece - attempted to strike a blow into Clericus forces. Under the cover of a thick fog they quietly moved into position as the Roman general continued his siege. However at the last moment the fog suddenly lifted, revealing the approaching enemy and allowing a quick reorganisation of his troops. The Gods were apparently with him or at least a favourable wind was.
The battle was quickly over - Carthage had been depending on the element of surprise to gain an advantage over the superior Roman numbers. With the fall of the city, Sicily was united under Rome, and Clericus II was named as its overlord.
Sicily united
To his surprise though, the bulk of his troops were ordered to return to the port of Agrigento to fall under Tillus II and await further instructions. He travelled there himself - less to see them off than to find out why Sicily was being weakened - but found that Tillus himself knew nothing. Days later however, Republic ships were spotted approaching the citys docks
SuperBeaverInc.
Groucho
Hurray! Sicily is ours!
Now we need to set up a Ministry of Sicily Walks as Raisin Bran suggested earlier.
Now we need to set up a Ministry of Sicily Walks as Raisin Bran suggested earlier.
Captain2
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hmm, flags are all odd, what kind of a Rome is this? 
is this Barbarian invasion or something?
is this Barbarian invasion or something?
Kan' Sharuminar
Fluffy
Heart of the Republic - A Rome: Total War AAR
Part Eighteen
When Carthage had declared war in 245 BC, the Senate had been split on how to act. While Consular Kan developed a plan to strike at Carthaginian trade bases in the western Mediterranean, a small group - led by StevieJey - opened a counterargument that it would be better to strike a killer blow at the capital of the Carthaginian Republic itself! The group were very vocal in their views, but when they quietened down a year later, it was simply assumed that the Consular had had a quick word with StevieJey, demanding he cease splitting the Senate.
Ironically, it was almost the opposite. When it became clear that Sicilian resistance was collapsing so quickly, the Consular met with StevieJey to discuss the senator's ideas on an offensive in Africa itself. The Republics armies and fleets were not available for an amphibious campaign yet - but it was able to conduct a short, limited land campaign. Not a campaign of conquest, but a campaign to pillage and plunder the enemy in its own lands, then leave quickly in advance of the larger campaign in the west.
The raid into Africa
Tillus II was to lead the attack with the veterans of the Sicilian campaign, while Clericus was to maintain order on the island before assisting elsewhere. His goal was simply to land near Thapsus, fight his way to the city and capture it. Following that all major buildings would be plundered and destroyed before his army would return to the boats for a journey home. The Republic navy (now greatly strengthened by the capture of Carthaginian shipwrights at Lilybaeum) would cover the sea route for the duration of the raid, blockading ports where they could.
In 242 BC, a mere year after the fall of Sicily, Tillus and his army set food on northern Africa.
The Army of Tillus II
The Carthaginian response was immediate, though not well-planned. Three small armies responded to the threat and attempted to prevent Tillus from gaining a foothold in the region. They came in separate waves, allowing time for the Republic army to reorganise after each attack and, although they contained the House of Tillus most dreaded enemy - elephants - each were beaten back and destroyed. The Republic had its beachhead.
This was only the start of the battles however. Intelligence from before the landings indicated thousands of Carthaginian forces were marching from the south-east - possibly for an offensive against Iberia or Sicily (the former having captured Carthago Nova recently). Most were now halted to counter the Roman threat, and forced Tillus into another battle - this time against an army of equal size - in late 241 BC. However, he displayed a brilliant knowledge of how to defend - this time even forcing away the elephant troops before they could become a threat - and the enemy were defeated once more. He had still not reached Thapsus.
The old enemy of Rome
It took until the following year before the city was besieged by the Republic, but even as the seige equipment was prepared the army fell under attack in two monstrous battles. This time Tillus army took more damage - mainly due to the enemy suddenly throwing themselves on the weaker left flank and forcing a sudden change of plans - but once again the general was triumphant. Now, with Thapsus undefended, the Romans pushed forward.
Tillus had received orders from the Consular to utterly destroy the city. The population was to be slaughtered, the buildings levelled in order to show Carthage the price of betrayal (around 10000 gold, apparently). PrinceScampeys massacre at Mediolanium was nothing in comparison, it at least was supposed to remain habitable afterwards
The campaign was not over though. Seeing the success of the Republics forces (and the amount of gold it returned), Tillus was ordered to march north and let the city of Hadrumentum suffer the same fate. By now the Carthaginian forces were reeling from the blows of 241, allowing the Romans to effectively march unopposed into the city.
The assault on Hadrumentum
With the fall of the city, a gleaming prize lay further north for the Republic. Carthago - capital of the enemy - was poorly defended, though it would not be long for Carthaginian forces to regroup, especially if the capital was at risk. Enough gold had been stolen for the Republic to complete her armies and begin the long-awaited amphibious campaign, however the destruction of Carthago could be the crippling strike that was needed
Part Eighteen
When Carthage had declared war in 245 BC, the Senate had been split on how to act. While Consular Kan developed a plan to strike at Carthaginian trade bases in the western Mediterranean, a small group - led by StevieJey - opened a counterargument that it would be better to strike a killer blow at the capital of the Carthaginian Republic itself! The group were very vocal in their views, but when they quietened down a year later, it was simply assumed that the Consular had had a quick word with StevieJey, demanding he cease splitting the Senate.
Ironically, it was almost the opposite. When it became clear that Sicilian resistance was collapsing so quickly, the Consular met with StevieJey to discuss the senator's ideas on an offensive in Africa itself. The Republics armies and fleets were not available for an amphibious campaign yet - but it was able to conduct a short, limited land campaign. Not a campaign of conquest, but a campaign to pillage and plunder the enemy in its own lands, then leave quickly in advance of the larger campaign in the west.
The raid into Africa
Tillus II was to lead the attack with the veterans of the Sicilian campaign, while Clericus was to maintain order on the island before assisting elsewhere. His goal was simply to land near Thapsus, fight his way to the city and capture it. Following that all major buildings would be plundered and destroyed before his army would return to the boats for a journey home. The Republic navy (now greatly strengthened by the capture of Carthaginian shipwrights at Lilybaeum) would cover the sea route for the duration of the raid, blockading ports where they could.
In 242 BC, a mere year after the fall of Sicily, Tillus and his army set food on northern Africa.
The Army of Tillus II
The Carthaginian response was immediate, though not well-planned. Three small armies responded to the threat and attempted to prevent Tillus from gaining a foothold in the region. They came in separate waves, allowing time for the Republic army to reorganise after each attack and, although they contained the House of Tillus most dreaded enemy - elephants - each were beaten back and destroyed. The Republic had its beachhead.
This was only the start of the battles however. Intelligence from before the landings indicated thousands of Carthaginian forces were marching from the south-east - possibly for an offensive against Iberia or Sicily (the former having captured Carthago Nova recently). Most were now halted to counter the Roman threat, and forced Tillus into another battle - this time against an army of equal size - in late 241 BC. However, he displayed a brilliant knowledge of how to defend - this time even forcing away the elephant troops before they could become a threat - and the enemy were defeated once more. He had still not reached Thapsus.
The old enemy of Rome
It took until the following year before the city was besieged by the Republic, but even as the seige equipment was prepared the army fell under attack in two monstrous battles. This time Tillus army took more damage - mainly due to the enemy suddenly throwing themselves on the weaker left flank and forcing a sudden change of plans - but once again the general was triumphant. Now, with Thapsus undefended, the Romans pushed forward.
Tillus had received orders from the Consular to utterly destroy the city. The population was to be slaughtered, the buildings levelled in order to show Carthage the price of betrayal (around 10000 gold, apparently). PrinceScampeys massacre at Mediolanium was nothing in comparison, it at least was supposed to remain habitable afterwards
The campaign was not over though. Seeing the success of the Republics forces (and the amount of gold it returned), Tillus was ordered to march north and let the city of Hadrumentum suffer the same fate. By now the Carthaginian forces were reeling from the blows of 241, allowing the Romans to effectively march unopposed into the city.
The assault on Hadrumentum
With the fall of the city, a gleaming prize lay further north for the Republic. Carthago - capital of the enemy - was poorly defended, though it would not be long for Carthaginian forces to regroup, especially if the capital was at risk. Enough gold had been stolen for the Republic to complete her armies and begin the long-awaited amphibious campaign, however the destruction of Carthago could be the crippling strike that was needed
SuperBeaverInc.
Groucho
Let us march onward to victory!
Captain2
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is it possible for the Romans to get elephants in vanilla? simply because i'm stuck in a deadlock in spain and I think that could help push me into the victory
I believe so although you would need to capture a city that already had the necessary buildings. I think you can hire African elephants as mercenaries in Numidia but they are not as good. I never build elephants in RTR as their support costs are ridiculously high and it causes problems in manouvering the elephants around my own troops.
The Carthaginians big mistake was using jaundiced elephants.
Maniacal
the green Napoleon
Jaundiced? What does that mean
My advice is to NOT burn Carthago. It is a very valuable city.
My advice is to NOT burn Carthago. It is a very valuable city.
steviejay
Now in Black and White!!
Valuable yes, and when we capture it the citizens aren't exactly going to take it. they will fight and the city will require a great deal of legions to keep it happy. burning it appeases the masses and allows me to redecorate the East Wing of my House with Punic treasures
Raisin Bran
Cereal Killer
steviejay said:
I call grabs on all the tiger furs you pillage.
It's a killer with the ladies in front of a fire!
steviejay
Now in Black and White!!
Yes I will agree with you Raisin. I tried to do what you suggest but with the skins off of the elephants we slayed....... just wasn't the same, aparantly it just wasn't 'doing anything for her' bah, women. never happy
Kozmos
Jew Detective
Combat! Slaughter! Hooray!
Kan' Sharuminar
Fluffy
If I ever get elephants as the Romans, I simply take the unit and let them charge straight into the enemy. It is both amusing and the resulting confusion is quite handy. Other than that I don't think I've ever built them except for the first few times I had the chance to.
It appears we haven't really hit a decision on what to do with Tillus' army. We don't need to worry about extra gold (though it's always nice) - the first lot went to improving Italy's cities, while the second is going to fund new armies to take the island cities. If it is recalled now (or even if it survives the Carthago battles) it will be recalled to Sicily, where it will fall under Clericus' command.
I'm in favour of NOT attacking Carthago though, as tempting as it is. We have the means to do it, but this was intended as a raid and we've proved our point that Rome IS the main power in the western Meditteranean. It's not time to turn back and actually capture some ground - hopefully the two cities we destroyed will revolt against us and become a minor pain for the Carthaginians anyway.
One last thing - Stevie, the ruler of Macedonia assures me that he can aquire some tiger skins from his own friends in the east. He will arrange the trade
It appears we haven't really hit a decision on what to do with Tillus' army. We don't need to worry about extra gold (though it's always nice) - the first lot went to improving Italy's cities, while the second is going to fund new armies to take the island cities. If it is recalled now (or even if it survives the Carthago battles) it will be recalled to Sicily, where it will fall under Clericus' command.
I'm in favour of NOT attacking Carthago though, as tempting as it is. We have the means to do it, but this was intended as a raid and we've proved our point that Rome IS the main power in the western Meditteranean. It's not time to turn back and actually capture some ground - hopefully the two cities we destroyed will revolt against us and become a minor pain for the Carthaginians anyway.
One last thing - Stevie, the ruler of Macedonia assures me that he can aquire some tiger skins from his own friends in the east. He will arrange the trade
Captain2
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so you can get the elephants in Numidia? thats kind of a pain considering i have the spanish navy harrasing my troops, ah well I really need something to kick their asses and I get the feeling the elephants will help
Captain2
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well actually I have cavalry now, my only real problem is unless the job is picking off routing enemy forces they tend to be pretty hard to make useful without massive casualties of them for very little gain
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